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I am retired so have plenty of time to spend online.....and I sure do (too much, really)! First thing after I get up is that on my way to the kitchen to start the coffee going, I turn on the computer, and then with my glass of OJ in hand and the coffee brewing, I begin my little routine of going through each of the forum sites in which I participate, sometimes posting, sometimes just reading. Some days there is a lot going on in one or more forums, other days things are pretty quiet everywhere. I then move on to read the local and national/international news on the newspaper sites and then sometimes just hop around a bit, doing a little web-surfing on a topic which has caught my interest along the way. Then I usually get off the computer and do more constructive activities for a while, but pretty much as soon as I'm back home after running errands or have finished household chores, I'm right there again checking the forums..... :)
 
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Lemurs just like hanging around, dontcha know?!


(Photo: Duke Lemur Center, North Carolina)
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Also, that doesn't take into account that someone might peruse the forum every day, but only post a lot when keenly interested in a particular thread and/or subject. Say a hot topic pops up and a thread really takes off.....a member might begin posting really enthusiastically and frequently in just that one thread for a while and then when it slows down, as they usually inevitably do, he or she drifts off and perhaps doesn't post anything again for a while. That could throw off the averages, too, I would think....?
Technically, a burst of activity contributes to the average, but won't throw off the average, since by nature the average covers all usage over a given time period. But it will make the average less applicable on a day to day basis.

For example, if I make exactly 1 post each day and you always make a flurry of 7 posts every Sunday, with no other posts in between, then we both have an average of 1 day per post, but in my case it's actually the time between my posts, while that's not true for you.

You could argue that the measure of posts/day, for a member who posts in bursts, isn't accurate either, but if we multiply it by 365 and call it their measure of posts/year, it suddenly seems more accurate! (Actually, I like to use 365.2425 for the number of days in a year, because it's more accurate over the long term. And geekier too!)
 
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I find it surprising to see the data this way and to think about the online activity it represents. I wouldn't have guessed how many hours, on average, it is between my posts. Now it's clear. Perhaps these time spans are a surprise to you too. There's quite a difference between making a post every 6 months and making one every 37 minutes!
I spend roughly the majority of my online time between two websites (this one and reddit), Google News and Google Search.

That's 6am when I first hit the couch to about 11pm when I go to bed. It includes a lot of my time at work since the only thing my boss cares about is if my work is done or not.

But despite practicly living here online I only post when I have something to contribute. Lately, that's been much reduced.
 
We've often talked about quantity of posts versus quality of posts, so I looked at Likes and Followers because they might provide a bit of a clue about the value we find in other forum members. Estimating quality by these measures is a slippery slope, but why not start with something measurable?


Counting Likes

There's no definition of what a Like means, since it's up to each of us. People might use it to mean "I read your post" or "I agree with your post" or "I think your post was _____" (entertaining, clever, informative, surprising, shocking, notable, etc.).

I've never included Total Likes in these charts because the Like system hasn't always been a forum feature. (You can see the Top 20 on the Xenforo Notable Members page.) If you measure Likes divided by post count or Likes divided by length of membership, you're biasing the results toward recent members, and away from the old-timers who lived in a Like-less forum world for years. It's also inaccurate because Likes are measured in the popular Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum, while posts are not.

In Chart #1 above, you can see the number of Likes each member got in the last 6 months. If there's a 0, it means that they've received likes in the past but no new ones recently. If there's a "---", it means that they predate the Like system and never had Likes. All of these are inactive members. But note that some of the inactive members still managed to gain a few Likes in the last 6 months (example: 3 Likes for miles01110).

I measured the increase in total Like count six months ago so I could compare it with the totals now. Here are the Like Leaders (those with 1000 or more Likes) among the current Top 50.

Most Likes in Last 6 Months Among Top 50

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Rank  Like Leader       Likes in last 6 months
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  1   Relentless Power  9,157
  2   samcraig          6,115
  3   maflynn           3,808
  4   Scepticalscribe   3,218
  5   Rogifan           2,871
  6   Newtons Apple     2,813
  7   Apple fanboy      2,751
  8   C DM              2,451
  9   eyoungren         2,392
 10   MacNut            2,183
 11   rdowns            2,140
 12   Applejuiced       1,616
 13   kdarling          1,470
 14   Weaselboy         1,239


Counting Followers

Why do members follow other members? My assumption is that you follow somebody when you find their posts to be routinely Like-able.

Here is the list of Top 50 members with 25 or more Followers.

Most Followed Among Top 50

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Rank  Followed          Number of Followers
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  1   Applejuiced       144
  2   eyoungren         113
  3   Weaselboy          69
  4   Eidorian           63
  5   Hellhammer         53
  6   Doctor Q           42
  7   Scepticalscribe    31
  8   Intell             25


Why aren't these two lists showing the same members in the same order? Your theory is as good as mine. Perhaps Likes is a measure of past interest, while Followers is a measure of expected future interest.

I'd guess that Likes accumulate somewhat proportionally to posts, while Followers grow at a much slower rate. For example, suppose famous zoologist Duke Lemur posts regularly about marsupials. The fixed number of people who have similar interests in marsupials might Follow him, with an occasional new marsupials-interested forum member joining the group. But every time he posts, the subset of those Followers who see the post will Like it. There's still a bit of likely correlation, however, because interested members are more likely to see his posts, and become Followers, if he posts more.
 
We've often talked about quantity of posts versus quality of posts, so I looked at Likes and Followers because they might provide a bit of a clue about the value we find in other forum members. Estimating quality by these measures is a slippery slope, but why not start with something measurable?


Counting Likes

There's no definition of what a Like means, since it's up to each of us. People might use it to mean "I read your post" or "I agree with your post" or "I think your post was _____" (entertaining, clever, informative, surprising, shocking, notable, etc.).

I've never included Total Likes in these charts because the Like system hasn't always been a forum feature. (You can see the Top 20 on the Xenforo Notable Members page.) If you measure Likes divided by post count or Likes divided by length of membership, you're biasing the results toward recent members, and away from the old-timers who lived in a Like-less forum world for years. It's also inaccurate because Likes are measured in the popular Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum, while posts are not.

In Chart #1 above, you can see the number of Likes each member got in the last 6 months. If there's a 0, it means that they've received likes in the past but no new ones recently. If there's a "---", it means that they predate the Like system and never had Likes. All of these are inactive members. But note that some of the inactive members still managed to gain a few Likes in the last 6 months (example: 3 Likes for miles01110).

I measured the increase in total Like count six months ago so I could compare it with the totals now. Here are the Like Leaders (those with 1000 or more Likes) among the current Top 50.

Most Likes in Last 6 Months Among Top 50

Code:
Rank  Like Leader       Likes in last 6 months
----  ----------------  ----------------------
  1   Relentless Power  9,157
  2   samcraig          6,115
  3   maflynn           3,808
  4   Scepticalscribe   3,218
  5   Rogifan           2,871
  6   Newtons Apple     2,813
  7   Apple fanboy      2,751
  8   C DM              2,451
  9   eyoungren         2,392
 10   MacNut            2,183
 11   rdowns            2,140
 12   Applejuiced       1,616
 13   kdarling          1,470
 14   Weaselboy         1,239


Counting Followers

Why do members follow other members? My assumption is that you follow somebody when you find their posts to be routinely Like-able.

Here is the list of Top 50 members with 25 or more Followers.

Most Followed Among Top 50

Code:
Rank  Followed          Number of Followers
----  ----------------  -------------------
  1   Applejuiced       144
  2   eyoungren         113
  3   Weaselboy          69
  4   Eidorian           63
  5   Hellhammer         53
  6   Doctor Q           42
  7   Scepticalscribe    31
  8   Intell             25


Why aren't these two lists showing the same members in the same order? Your theory is as good as mine. Perhaps Likes is a measure of past interest, while Followers is a measure of expected future interest.

I'd guess that Likes accumulate somewhat proportionally to posts, while Followers grow at a much slower rate. For example, suppose famous zoologist Duke Lemur posts regularly about marsupials. The fixed number of people who have similar interests in marsupials might Follow him, with an occasional new marsupials-interested forum member joining the group. But every time he posts, the subset of those Followers who see the post will Like it. There's still a bit of likely correlation, however, because interested members are more likely to see his posts, and become Followers, if he posts more.
I think following is something that used to be more relevant. What does following actually do on the forum? I don't get notices when somebody I follow posts. Mind you that might be something in my settings!

Thanks for all the likes MR's! I like you all too! (thats why I live here online!)
 
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What does following actually do on the forum? I don't get notices when somebody I follow posts.
Click Your News Feed under your name at the top of the page. You get a list of posts or messages by the members you follow.*

* If their privacy settings allow it. There's a privacy setting that controls who can "Receive your news feed".
 
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Curious about the "follow" thing, I looked on my profile to see if I had any followers, and lo and behold there was one -- some guy who joined a year or two ago who only posted a few times and who hasn't been back since! I looked at the threads in which he'd participated, thinking that there must have been something I'd posted there which caught his attention and interest, but if so, I have yet to figure out what might have been! Strange.....
 
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Click Your News Feed under your name at the top of the page. You get a list of posts or messages by the members you follow.
Cheers! As the people I follow (well the ones that haven't left!), all frequent the same sort of threads and sub forums I do, I rarely miss their posts.
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Curious about the "follow" thing, I looked on my profile to see if I had any followers, and lo and behold there was one -- some guy who joined a year or two ago who only posted a few times and who hasn't been back since! I looked at the threads in which he'd participated, thinking that there must have been something I'd posted there which caught his attention and interest, but if so, I have yet to figure out what might have been! Strange.....
Now you have two ;)
 
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Cheers! As the people I follow (well the ones that haven't left!), all frequent the same sort of threads and sub forums I do, I rarely miss their posts.
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Now you have two ;)


Ack!!!! Ooh, I'll try to be good! Yeah, I think you and I hang out in pretty much the same places on here anyway!

I don't follow anyone, but just occasionally if I am interested in something they've posted in a random thread somewhere and they aren't active in my usual topic areas, I might do a quick review of their post history.
 
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I know why I follow people here.

I follow for a few reasons. Either someone has helped me significantly, the body of the posts/threads they create reflect my viewpoints or I have interacted with them for an amount of time where I know their online persona.

More generally, I follow someone because I consider them to be a friend - and as a friend I often communicate/interact with a lot of them in other ways. Helping them and getting help from them outside of normal MR channels is a positive benefit of having followed them.

I have the personal phone numbers of several of the people I follow and I text them regularly. We have similar interests or help each other out. Particularly, in the primary forum I post in here several of the people I follow swap computers and parts back and forth. I currently possess three PowerMac G5s that I didn't own at the start of last year because I'm friends with people I follow. Those computers were all sent to me free of charge.

I am not implying that I follow people only to get things free, but being friends with some of the members here on the forum has had that benefit for me. And for them as well. If I have a computer or a part that someone I follow needs - I send it to them.

So, for me, following people has been a positive experience.
 
I'm curious, does the like count take into consideration the likes (and maybe dislikes) of the older vbulletin like system? I can't remember if those were migrated to the new forum system or not.
 
I'm curious, does the like count take into consideration the likes (and maybe dislikes) of the older vbulletin like system? I can't remember if those were migrated to the new forum system or not.
No.

They weren't migrated. All of us started with zero likes when they migrated the forums.

On top of that, some time in 2012 or so, with the old forum, the mods killed the downvote feature so part of that would have been missing if it was being migrated.
 
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I know why I follow people here.

I follow for a few reasons. Either someone has helped me significantly, the body of the posts/threads they create reflect my viewpoints or I have interacted with them for an amount of time where I know their online persona.

More generally, I follow someone because I consider them to be a friend - and as a friend I often communicate/interact with a lot of them in other ways. Helping them and getting help from them outside of normal MR channels is a positive benefit of having followed them.

I have the personal phone numbers of several of the people I follow and I text them regularly. We have similar interests or help each other out. Particularly, in the primary forum I post in here several of the people I follow swap computers and parts back and forth. I currently possess three PowerMac G5s that I didn't own at the start of last year because I'm friends with people I follow. Those computers were all sent to me free of charge.

I am not implying that I follow people only to get things free, but being friends with some of the members here on the forum has had that benefit for me. And for them as well. If I have a computer or a part that someone I follow needs - I send it to them.

So, for me, following people has been a positive experience.

Back in the old days, before this "following" thing, when we were back on the vBB platform, somewhere along the line I read posts from someone and realized that he was actually right here in my local area and that he was very knowledgeable about cameras and computers both...... We eventually met in person at his workplace and that was delightful! It was neat having MacRumors in common..... Actually, now I don't think he participates here much anymore, probably has gone off in other directions, but it was really nice having that connection, so I know what you mean.
 
Back in the old days, before this "following" thing, when we were back on the vBB platform, somewhere along the line I read posts from someone and realized that he was actually right here in my local area and that he was very knowledgeable about cameras and computers both...... We eventually met in person at his workplace and that was delightful! It was neat having MacRumors in common..... Actually, now I don't think he participates here much anymore, probably has gone off in other directions, but it was really nice having that connection, so I know what you mean.
I've met two MR's members to date. Both incredibly nice people.
 
On top of that, some time in 2012 or so, with the old forum, the mods killed the downvote feature so part of that would have been missing if it was being migrated.
For the record, the site owner (not the moderators) made the choice to add Upvote and Downvote, to later remove Downvote, and to enable Xenforo Like. I don't know if there was an option to migrate the Like counts.

We never knew if downvoting meant "I disagree with the post" or "I don't like this forum member." I was glad to do without that feature.

The downvote feature reminds me of a research study where people were asked to watch a movie and give continuous ratings on a scale from bad to good, so the researchers could determine which scenes they liked best. But instead of rating how much they enjoyed what they were seeing, audience members rated scenes as good if the good guy was in the scene and bad if the bad guy was in the scene, like cheering for the hero and booing the bad guy. It was a failed research experiment. Perhaps monitoring their brainwaves would have been a better method. Or pretend that the projector failed after a given scene and see how disappointed audience members are!
 
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Back in the old days, before this "following" thing, when we were back on the vBB platform, somewhere along the line I read posts from someone and realized that he was actually right here in my local area and that he was very knowledgeable about cameras and computers both...... We eventually met in person at his workplace and that was delightful! It was neat having MacRumors in common..... Actually, now I don't think he participates here much anymore, probably has gone off in other directions, but it was really nice having that connection, so I know what you mean.
I hear you.

I've had the same experience. One of the users here lived locally to me and we met a few times. I was able to give him an iPhone 3GS that I wasn't using when he moved to California. He needed a phone and the 3GS he had wasn't working right.

Considering the ton of stuff he gave me because he needed to get rid of things I got the better end of the deal. But I was still happy I could help, however small.
 
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Meeting people in person whom you've gotten to know (more or less) online is a really neat experience! I've met several people from various forums in which I participate and it is just so cool. Right off the bat, there is common ground, and that makes conversations easy and fun right out of the starting gate -- and sometimes they wind up going on and on for hours because it's really amazing to find kindred spirits, people you otherwise might never have had the opportunity to meet. It truly is a unique and wonderful experience!
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For the record, the site owner (not the moderators) made the choice to add Upvote and Downvote, to later remove Downvote, and to enable Xenforo Like. I don't know if there was an option to migrate the Like counts.

We never knew if downvoting meant "I disagree with the post" or "I don't like this forum member." I was glad to do without that feature.

The downvote feature reminds me of a research study where people were asked to watch a movie and give continuous ratings on a scale from bad to good, so the researchers could determine which scenes they liked best. But instead of rating how much they enjoyed what they were seeing, audience members rated scenes as good if the good guy was in the scene and bad if the bad guy was in the scene, like cheering for the hero and booing the bad guy. It was a failed research experiment. Perhaps monitoring their brainwaves would have been a better method. Or pretend that the projector failed after a given scene and see how disappointed audience members are!

I am one who tends to not pay much attention to either "like" or "dislike" kinds of responses. If I agree or disagree with something that someone has said, or have a question about it, I am far more likely to post an actual response rather than simply click a "like" or "dislike" button..... I also will provide my thoughts about why I do agree or disagree about whatever has been said, too, because to me that is important. These are discussion forums and therefore actual discussion is more meaningful than simply clicking a "like" button, eh? This isn't Facebook, after all.......
 
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