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So if I sell million or billion of anything it automatically makes it a standard or just forced acceptance. Let me know how a Lightening connector is "standard" on Android phones for example. If it is so good, maybe Apple should offer it up to other vendors licensing free. It should have paid for itself by now with MFi royalties right.
LoL I’m talking about lighting connector for iphone, why would you bring up android,odd?
 
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So the Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra, Samsung Galaxy S20 FE, OnePlus 8 Pro, Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra, Samsung Galaxy S21, Google Pixel 5, etc with USB-C is not IP68...hmm.

USB-C is a tiny minority, I think you are thinking it wrong. USB-C is on many Android phones, on many Chromebooks, Windows products, Apple MacBook/Air/Pro, Apple iPad Pro/Air, etc. Care to measure how many products Lightening is on.

It has nothing to do with lazy, if I travel for example with one USB-C and one Lightening cable and for whatever reason one cable gets lost, damaged or does not work that means I will have to purchase another USB-C or Lightening cable. Now if I had two of the same cable such as USB-C, the chances of this happening is very remote. Plus there are options of length, vendors, etc for USB-C vice Lightening.

Do you get your oil changed at the dealership with their special oil or do you shop around in a free market?

ur making my point for me
 
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So after 9 years waiting for a decent mac I’ll buy Macbook Pro MiniLED this year and next year it’ll be display-obsolete
 
So if I sell million or billion of anything it automatically makes it a standard or just forced acceptance. Let me know how a Lightening connector is "standard" on Android phones for example. If it is so good, maybe Apple should offer it up to other vendors licensing free. It should have paid for itself by now with MFi royalties right.
I don’t think you will sell a million of anything
 
Bitter me is hoping most of these iPhone rumors aren't true or held off until iPhone 14 (or whatever it will be called) because those are the features I wanted coming from the X. I settled with the 12 pro and am happy but would have welcomed 120 hz / smaller notch.
 
Funny lighting is more waterproof and better in every way than usb-c, but odd people still call for usb-c, make no sense,
I have an iPhone 8 Plus (Lightning) and a 2020 iPad Pro 11" (USB-C).

I can plug an external flash drive on my iPad Pro with no adapter and no need of external power.

On my iPhone I need an adapter AND it also needs to be plugged on the wall at same time otherwise I get a warning message: "Cannot Use Accessory. This accessory requires too much power"

On my iPad Pro I can also charge my Apple Watch on the USB-C port.
 
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I have an iPhone 8 Plus (Lightning) and a 2020 iPad Pro 11" (USB-C).

I can plug an external flash drive on my iPad Pro with no adapter and no need of external power.

On my iPhone I need an adapter AND it also needs to be plugged on the wall at same time otherwise I get a warning message: "Cannot Use Accessory. This accessory requires too much power"

On my iPad Pro I can also charge my Apple Watch on the USB-C port.

Yes! Being able to directly connect to a USB audio interface/USB MIDI chain is a huge improvement over the dumb lightning to camera USB dongle. Just make all the devices with a Thunderbolt 4 port and call it a day.
 
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So the Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra, Samsung Galaxy S20 FE, OnePlus 8 Pro, Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra, Samsung Galaxy S21, Google Pixel 5, etc with USB-C is not IP68...hmm.

Thank you for stating the obvious. I have an iPhone 7 plus and a few other Apple products (iMac, iPads) and it really burns me up when Apple (or any advocate for Apple) spouts absolute nonsense. To make a claim that the USB-C standard doesn't allow for as high a level of water proofing as the lightning implementation is either a) an outright lie that someone figures they can just get away with, or b) requires a LOT to back up that claim with links to technical papers. Either port design is just a receptacle with wires ultimately with some active electronics on the other side of the wires (both in the cable itself and in the devices the cable is hooking up to obviously). I work in electrical engineering, though not at this device level, but nothing I have learned would justify a claim that the two ways of making a cable don't each offer ways to make as waterproof of a connection as you want (and here I mean water not damaging cable or device, not necessarily being able to operate the connection under water or in the rain).

But what is obvious is that Apple's design is the inferior one because they put the "spring part" of the connection (the part that moves and ultimately wears out) in the phone as opposed to in the cable. That decision was idiotic in my opinion and I have no idea why it was possibly made other than to force us to pay more for repair vs. buying a new cable with fresh "springs" or to shave a mm of the phone thickness which annoys me greatly as iPhones are already too thin (I'd much rather have a bigger battery and stronger chassis).
 
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Indeed, I can't see how anyone can argue for lightning now. Apple is otherwise all in on standards, before they really should be even, like with thunderbolt only macs ... although of course that is mainly so they can charge for dongles ... so I guess that is the same motivation as staying with lightning, oh crap ><
 
Look it up
Android handset internationally has around 74% market share while Apple has around 23%. Granted there is a mix of possible USB micro and USB-C connectors on those Android handsets which still exceeds Apple’s Lightening connector. Now it’s your turn.
 
That’s only a list of 2020 handset, how far back must we go. Your argument was USB-C is not water resistant unlike Lightening and I proved otherwise.
 
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Thank you for stating the obvious. I have an iPhone 7 plus and a few other Apple products (iMac, iPads) and it really burns me up when Apple (or any advocate for Apple) spouts absolute nonsense. To make a claim that the USB-C standard doesn't allow for as high a level of water proofing as the lightning implementation is either a) an outright lie that someone figures they can just get away with, or b) requires a LOT to back up that claim with links to technical papers. Either port design is just a receptacle with wires ultimately with some active electronics on the other side of the wires (both in the cable itself and in the devices the cable is hooking up to obviously). I work in electrical engineering, though not at this device level, but nothing I have learned would justify a claim that the two ways of making a cable don't each offer ways to make as waterproof of a connection as you want (and here I mean water not damaging cable or device, not necessarily being able to operate the connection under water or in the rain).

But what is obvious is that Apple's design is the inferior one because they put the "spring part" of the connection (the part that moves and ultimately wears out) in the phone as opposed to in the cable. That decision was idiotic in my opinion and I have no idea why it was possibly made other than to force us to pay more for repair vs. buying a new cable with fresh "springs" or to shave a mm of the phone thickness which annoys me greatly as iPhones are already too thin (I'd much rather have a bigger battery and stronger chassis).
Glad to hear someone using critical thinking, yet these supporters for Lightening connector fail to recognize that there were iPhones prior with Lightening that were not water resistant.

Apple introduced water resistance when Android had it a year or so earlier, at that time Apple supporters were like well why does anyone need a water resistant phone when you can put it in a case, blah blah. Seems like either these forum poster don’t bother to read a little recent history and spit out anything Apple tells them. I am sure if Apple told them the world is flat they will jump to defend it. :rolleyes:
 
The 120HZ Display on the iPhone 12 is the feature I mostly want. The larger batteries are also another thing.

That’s 2 out of 3 for me. 120hz + bigger battery + some form of touchID would be an instant buy, but no touchID and I’ll hold onto my 8 for another year. FaceID and masks are a crappy combination and I already preferred fingerprint readers to facial recognition even before COV19!
 
So after 9 years waiting for a decent mac I’ll buy Macbook Pro MiniLED this year and next year it’ll be display-obsolete
If mini-LED comes to anything I will definitely skip that generation and wait for the non-light-bleed version. Local dimming solutions can be kind of OK on movies (until you get to the credits) but I don't think it would work pleasantly for window-and-text displays.
 
Funny lighting is more waterproof and better in every way than usb-c, but odd people still call for usb-c, make no sense,
C is more marketable. With Apple, there’s not much beyond that for justification. People can now buy 10’s of thousands of usb c products on Amazon, from companies they've never heard of, with unknown specs, that stand a very good chance at least partially not working. All centered around a chaotic “standard” that changes monthly. Oh, and it’s quicker, for the 3 or 4 users that need fast I/O on a phone for more than publishing screenshots of speed tests.

Why would you ever want a Lightning connector?

My only gripe with Lightning is power. The newer the iPhone/iPad, the more frequently I seem to run into power draw issues.
 
Funny lighting is more waterproof and better in every way than usb-c, but odd people still call for usb-c, make no sense,
USB-C can reach USB 3.2 Gen 2 transfer speeds. Lightning is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. There’s a 20X difference. That’s huge.
 
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I barely have cash for a new laptop and these borgeouix shmucks from AAPL sell them for the most EXPENSIVE price possible SO UNFAIR APPLE
 
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