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Just a matter of time before the next round of Netbooks start using these. Netbooks are not dead, they just got compromised a bit with iPad sales.

This is highly doubtful. The main appeal of net books and the reason they've sold so well is not their size but their price. Adding these would price them right out of their current market.

so would these fit in the original macbook air?

No. The original air does not have the connector necessary for these.

Really? You're referencing video chatting as an Apple invention?

Facetime is nothing more than iChat renamed. iChat was nothing more than Apple's version of video chatting.

He wasn't referencing video chat as Apple inventions. he was listing those items as Apple's implementation of said items that Apple then released to the community in one way or another. And for the record FaceTime is NOT iChat renamed. It is a much more bandwidth efficient form of video chat. iChat requires processors that are more than twice as fast as those contained in the iPhone.

Its obvious this is the way that virtually all netbooks/laptops will go in time, with these adopting the faster SATA3 standard.

5-10 years ago, Processors were where it was all at, we have hit a bit of a plato there and now its disks that will develop at a very fast rate for the next few years.

Yes, but how much time? These parts are still premium priced and will remain so for a long time for the overwhelming majority of the PC laptop market. Because of that it will be a while before these become commonplace in PC laptops and even longer still for the net book market.

Next Macbook Pro = current Macbook Pro + deleted optical drive + blade-type SSD + much more battery in the extra space + USB 3.0 and Light Peak = me gusta

I doubt it will have USB 3.0 and light peak. Also, if they remove the optical and hard drives do you really think Apple won't go thinner and lighter before they add batteries? The current MBPs get 8-10 hours. I think Apple is satisfied with that. Look at the iPhone 4 and iPod touch as examples. Were the last models for all intents and purposes not thin enough? I given the choice don't you think most consumers would have chosen longer battery life over an even thinner design? That isn't what Apple chose.
 
I would not mind these going in the next MacBook Pro's as long as they replace the missing space with more batteries :)

It'll be interesting to see what Apple does with their 15" and 17" models. I don't see any reason why they simply couldn't scale the existing 13" design up to fit the appropriate screen. And, as is the case with the SD slot present on the 13 but absent on the 11, by making the case larger, there's more space on the sides for additional ports. I could see Apple adding back Firewire and Ethernet on the larger ones. But the big delta in the design as it is now is the optical drive.

Is Steve willing to make the optical drive an external add-on for all of the lineup? Optical drives will surely go the way of the floppy (2GB SD cards are $5, 8GB cards are $10. Not much more than the first generation DVD-R media, only SD cards are also reusable)... Is it time for that transition to start already?
 
Blade style SSD's have been available at newegg for a long time, it's not an Apple invention like most macrumors members believe. They generally suck compared to other SSD's.
 
Is Steve willing to make the optical drive an external add-on for all of the lineup? Optical drives will surely go the way of the floppy (2GB SD cards are $5, 8GB cards are $10. Not much more than the first generation DVD-R media, only SD cards are also reusable)... Is it time for that transition to start already?

I think offering a secondary HDD (or extra SDD(s)) in the place of the ODD makes more sense than outright eliminating the ODD.

Suffice it to say, "thinness" is the main thrust of these Toshiba offerings, not performance.

Toshiba's controller is a lower-performance/lower-cost controller (it's the same one that the Kingston V-series SSDs use). Having one of those Kingston SSDs in my computer, I'd say the performance is just fine.
 
With a desire to get an 11" MBA, I would get the 4gb RAM and 64gb storage model, with an eye to replacing the 64gb with a 256gb SSD module. Even if I had to live with the smaller storage for a few months, it would be worth it.

Hoping to see some pricing and availability on these soon.
 
Whoops! I just took another look at the inside photos, and I can see the connector...

I realize memory is different... I just incorrectly remembered that the flash storage was soldered on as well.

My bad

Memory is not the same as storage. The memory is soldered to the board. The storage (these sticks) is not.
 
Dare we say - "BD"?

Backing up over 200 GB of photos and video to DL_DVDs is just not practical due to the sheer volume of discs required.

Much more practical with writeable Blu-ray Discs - especially if you use software so most backups are just the deltas since the last backup.


Apropos of nothin': When do we officially stop calling it "disk" space? :cool:


Since we "dial" a phone number on our cell phone "line" - I'll predict "never". ;)


So you're saying the 256GB version may not fit in the 11" MBA? That'd suck.

When "thin" is more important that "useful" to the design team, that's what you get.
 
With a desire to get an 11" MBA, I would get the 4gb RAM and 64gb storage model, with an eye to replacing the 64gb with a 256gb SSD module. Even if I had to live with the smaller storage for a few months, it would be worth it.

Hoping to see some pricing and availability on these soon.

News sources report that 256GB modules are thicker than the smaller counterparts so this might not be possible.
 
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New sources report that 256GB modules are thicker than the smaller counterparts so this might not be possible.

Hmm. Hope this is not the case, but if it is, then maybe will have to settle for the 128gb SSD. Which would be faster than the Apple installed version, from what I've read so far.
 
Hmm. Hope this is not the case, but if it is, then maybe will have to settle for the 128gb SSD. Which would be faster than the Apple installed version, from what I've read so far.

That would be some feat since
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Toshiba's SSDs come in the same three sizes that Apple presently offers (64GB, 128GB, and 256GB) and even shares the same part numbers indicating that these are the exact same product.
 
Yeah, my 2008 - Dell Mini 9 has a 16GB "blade"

Apple's whole "we took it out of the case" thing is just a bunch of B.S. It's nothing new.

Who took it out of the case?

"Toshiba announced today the introduction of a "new form factor" in high capacity solid-state storage called the "Blade X-gale" series."
 
i wish we knew 100% if the 11" could be upgraded to 256gb, i would buy it today, i need the space and that is stopping me from the purchase, i already have a 13" macbook so there really is no need to buy a 13" macbook air, but if i could get 256gb internal on the 11, i would be at apple today

+1
 
Everything is a trade off. When you have a laptop as thin as the MBA, then millimeters matter. It's a matter of what's important to you.

How thick is 1.5 mm ?

Not very.

If Apple had asked customers (yes, I know that is an absurd thought)
"We can make the 11" Apple Air thinner by about the thickness of a plastic credit card - or we can leave enough space to fit in a 256 GB disk. Would you like the option of a 256 MB drive at the cost of it being thicker by the thickness of a MasterCard?​

But, the turtlenecked one decides these questions - Apple customers don't count.
 
Erasmus said:
I'd really love for Apple to scrap the HDD and ODD from the MBP, and use it to put in 2, or even 4 blade SSD slots (so we can choose if we want to RAID 0 or not, which I would), as well as a better GPU and quad core i7 CPU (TLA Overload!). Plus extra battery and Light Peak, what the hell.
And all of that sells for how much? I can upgrade my 13" MBP to a 1 TB hard drive for £79. (On second reading, I hope your post was sarcastic).

Lol, no sarcasm. That's what I want. I don't care how much it is, it would be worth it.

I doubt whether 4 64GB SSD's would cost all that much, and would likely run close to 4 times faster than a single 256GB SSD. Bandwidth allowing, of course.
 
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I'm going to stay away from OS X on SSDs until it gets TRIM support. And Apple, how about a decent SSD with TRIM + dual SandForce controllers? :D
 
I wonder if they'll start making these things into RAID trays. Since it's so thin, and not so wide, you could replace your HDD bay with 4 of these 'blades' in RAID 0.
Awesome. 4x the failure probability and next to no meaningful performance increase. Can't wait. :rolleyes:
 
What do you think the chances are that Apple will pull a 180 and implement these in their upcoming iPad release? It would strengthen their competition against netbooks, which generally have larger hard drives. It certainly would blow away the current and upcoming tablet market, which range from 16-64 gigs of storage.
A vastly more useful addition to the iPad would be an SDHC slot - the omission of which in the first place is nearly as mystifying as the missing camera(s).
 
Awesome. 4x the failure probability and next to no meaningful performance increase. Can't wait. :rolleyes:

I would think the failure rate would be less for SSD than HD. As for RAID, I like the idea of RAID mirroring. Built in time machine? That day will have to wait for prices to drop.

How thick is 1.5 mm ?

Not very.

And yet that one dimension being decreased by 1.5mm is a significant percent decrease in volume.

I don't know the actual dimensions of the air but consider an 11" x 8" area with 1cm thickness. That is roughly 28.0cm x 20.3cm x 1.0cm = 568cm^3.

After reducing the thickness by 0.15cm the volume becomes: 28.0cm x 20.3cm x 0.85 = 483cm^3

A linear difference of 1.5mm is not so easy to perceive but the change in volume is. The new volume in the example I gave is 85% of the original; not trivial at all.
 
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