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Toshiba Introduces New 6.1-Inch Display at 498 PPI

Twizz91 said:
I think you'll notice. Think of sound quality. Theoretically, you should not be able to notice the difference between 320kbps sound and the sound coming from a vinyl. But in reality, you'll notice that the vinyl sounds better. I think you could compare this with better quality displays.

And then again, it's not about whether you could distinguish one pixel from another, but the wow factor you get looking at a picture or movie on that very screen.
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Vinyl doesn't sound better because it's more accurate, it sounds better (to some) because it's more warm. Same reason some people prefer vacuum tubes. I keep all of my audio stored as FLAC for the ability to convert to future formats without losing any sound-data. I'm not going to press vinyls because they are better storage formats.

Now, 320kbps mp3 vs. FLAC, that's a more honest comparison. In most cases, even with relatively high-end audio gear, I can't discern a difference. Every once in a while, though, I can.

Compare CDs to vinyl, some people buy vinyl because they prefer the sound. The CD is more accurate to the master recording, the vinyl press is not, however most people playing back vinyls have equipment that tends to 'warm the sound', not to mention the natural warming that tends to happen with vinyl playback devices.

Your second analogy/example, I can certainly get on board with. Some people like watching movies at the theatre for the environment/look of the screen. I run a rear-projection 110" 1080p setup for the size of the screen, and the quality of the picture, not because I love the artifacts present in film projectors (my setup is all digital). I honestly wish I had more than 1080p, it's nowhere near 300+ ppi at this size. That said, I know people who do enjoy the older film projection units, and can sympathize there, as well. When you mentioned it's not about distinguishing the pixels, but instead the view on that very screen, I think you nailed it to a T. User preference == why vinyls still exist, and why many people still choose to use regular film.

At the same time, up until recently, digital video recording was limited to resolutions below that of which could be captured on film. We're rapidly moving beyond this. Like most things, you could probably apply some t-racks mastering to a FLAC file and play back a song (pure digital) that a vinyl lover would think was vinyl. Same for video filters. I prefer having absolutely accurate source material, and being able to manipulate it later.

That was semi-off-topic, back on topic, I'm glad they're pushing display resolutions. Once we get to the point that 1mm from the eye, one can not distinguish pixels, there's no point to go higher, unless we're talking about something that might be magnified. As others have noted, it's a balance between power consumption, cpu capacity, gpu capacity, and so forth. Once we get to the point that every gpu can run resolutions of this magnitude in full 3d (or whatever might be the 'best' then), cpus are having a chill pill, and batteries last days and days, it's time to focus on different things. That is, unless you're working out how to make a projector throw a 200" picture that you can't see pixels on at 10'. Honestly, I can't make my eyes diverge that much, but perhaps some can. ;)
 
We still need more resolution than we have in iPhone 4/4s. One reason is that when you prepare graphics with thin (1-2-3px) lines, like pixel-perfect web icons or UI elements, browsers can have hard time displaying those lines consistently.

Here's what happens:

- You have an image with, say 1px borders and it works fine in horizontal view of the mobile browser.
- If you rotate the browser into vertical position, images are rescaled, but the browser doesn't know if it should display 1px as a 0px or blurry 1px, or 1 px still. Your icon can end up having hard-edges on one side and smudgy line on another. Even on iPhone 4s.
- To make it work we need at least 5-6 hardware pixels in place for one visible pixel. So, I am looking forward to 2000ppi or so. Meanwhile, when we develop for mobile web, we have to factor in "LOW RESOLUTION OF iPHONE 4".:rolleyes:
 
Some posters here need to stop being fanboys...

This is a pretty cool advance in tech.
 
Do want!

A retina display on the iPad 3 is actually starting to sound like it could be a reality. It looks like we're about to make that leap again where the resolution on TVs is a joke compared to computers.

I love the PPI on the iPhone 4 and 4S. The only thing I DIDN'T like about the iPads I have used is that things simply aren't as crisp or clear. I mean, because of the high PPI, text looks better on an iPhone 4/4S than it does on my laptop by a long shot.
 
Ceddie77 said:
if the human retina can't see more than +-300 pixels per inch, why put 600 on 1 inch? You would think that the difference wouldn't matter. I would think that it's more important to make bigger retina display's (retina iMac, iPad?)?
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Yes, this is basically my 30-inch display shrunken down to 6 ****** inches… by that rate, a 30 inch display at that density should have a resolution of oh, 12590x9442 pixels...:eek:
 
mrfoof82 said:
Although you can't really make out the individual pixels, overall, there is still a subtle but small benefit that can be realized with very detailed imagery. Character-based languages (like that picture) can absolutely benefit by the increased resolution, although it's approaching diminishing returns.

Print is a good case. It's impossible to find a laser printer than prints at less than 600dpi (my 2000-era LaserJet 1200 does), and many offer 1200dpi modes. Why? Because there is a (small) difference -- never mind how they compare to now seemingly archaic 300dpi prints.
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Newspapers still print at 150dpi to this day and nobody is complaining.

Magazines, usually printed with the rotogravure process, can go up to ~2500dpi for text only. Images are still printed at 300dpi. Laser/deskjet printers need better than that because their "dots" are not really dots, they're more like splats.
 
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Piggie said:
Remember everyone, and it seems to be constantly forgotten.

All Apple does is fit other people's hardware into it's own designed cases.
Apple can't fit any new screens until another company makes them and sells them to Apple.

This kinda annoys me a bit I will admit, when we here the Ohh Apple had made this and Apple has made that. No they have not.

Apple are not going to make a new screen themselves as they can't
When Samsung or someone else, who actually really makes hardware can supply Apple with new screens, then Apple will say, Wow, look at our new screen from Apple.

No. it's not. You have just fitted someone else's screen in your pretty case again.

I don't care that they do this, as many companies do. Apart from the ones that really build their own hardware. It's the way they mislead the general buying public into thinking they have actually made all the bits themselves I find irritating.
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You are over simplifying it a bit. True they don't make LCDs but they are a big enough customer that they can often guide the direction of future products to some degree. Just like they don't make the A5 chip but they do include their own designs in the final chip.
 
Not sure if the same applies here, but in home cinema, a 1080p display vs a 4k display may not provide a discernable differences in resolution, but it provides a much larger color gamut.

I would love a 500 dpi display for my page layout/typography work.
 
hkenneth said:
I think the 300dpi theory is for AVERAGE human eyes, so 50% people are able to see more detailed stuffs :p
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Nope.

20/20 vision is about twice *worse* than "perfect vision". The theorical limit for the perfect case is ~477dpi. 20/20 vision gives you around ~280dpi acuity. In reality most people won't notice anything above 200dpi.

It's nearly impossible to distinguish a pixel on an iPhone4 screen even at the closest distance possible. Only young people can focus closer than 10cm, enough to start barely noticing some ragged edges in diagonal lines. There is no practical use to higher resolution screens unless you're doing some kind of eye implant :)

The image comparisons in this post are just stupid. You could just use smaller text, zoom in more, and the new 498dpi display would look the same as the other two.
 
Oh my this is sweet bring that 6.1 to the size of an iPad and it still should be up there in retina level. :)
 
toddybody said:
Sorry, 2650x1600 at 6.1" is just overkill. At the iPad's 9.7" screen, it would be a still incredible 311 PPI. The iPad 3 is going to be irresistible.
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As we expect from Apple :) even if Steve is no more:(.

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EvanBlive91 said:
Android fanboys pissing in their pants about their next Nexus phone and its 6.1 in screen
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I am trying to picture guys with phones that big in their pockets and coming up with some funny moments.

Personally I don't want bigger I want faster and more responsive with Siri taking off into the stratosphere when it comes to understanding us and our needs and wants like a good women should. :rolleyes:
 
Ceddie77 said:
if the human retina can't see more than +-300 pixels per inch, why put 600 on 1 inch? You would think that the difference wouldn't matter. I would think that it's more important to make bigger retina display's (retina iMac, iPad?)?
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You guys should all watch Steve's original iPhone 4 keynote again.
To break it down for you again:
"Retina display = 300+ PPI on a 3.5" screen when 10" away from human eyes."
So the 6" screen will be even further away from our eyes at even higher pixel density.
It matters because it could possibly double the pixel count which makes easier on developers to easily upgrade their apps.
 
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Apple has long touted the crisp resolution of its "Retina" display that debuted in the iPhone 4 with a resolution of 326 ppi (pixels per inch), a display that has since made its way to the iPod touch and now the iPhone 4S. The Retina display concept is also said to be set to make its way into the iPad 3 next year, with Apple preparing to quadruple the number of pixels to offer a resolution of 2048 x 1536 on the device's 9.7-inch screen.

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Magnified comparison of Toshiba's new 498 ppi display with lower-resolution displays​
Toshiba is now pushing the idea even further, today introducing a new 6.1-inch display offering a resolution of 2560 x 1600, coming in at 498 ppi.Apple obviously does not currently offer a mobile product in the range of 6.1 inches and other considerations such as ensuring a smooth transition from lower-resolution displays would likely preclude the company from utilizing this exact display, but it is clear that the technology is advancing rapidly to enable ever higher display quality. As mobile devices continue to see increased graphics capabilities and costs fall into line with existing technologies, such ultra high resolution displays are likely to see significant adoption.

Article Link: Toshiba Introduces New 6.1-Inch Display at 498 PPI
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Yeah, go Android! Make a 6.1 inch phone that only apes can hold! You can't win in the tablet war? No problem! Just make your phone as big as a tablet! Problem solved. /s
 
haruhiko said:
Yeah, go Android! Make a 6.1 inch phone that only apes can hold! You can't win in the tablet war? No problem! Just make your phone as big as a tablet! Problem solved. /s
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I'm kind of hoping tablets grow too. I'd like to have something that looks like a 50" television sitting on my lap. Maybe implement full body gestures...
 
This just just a tech demo, Toshiba wants to let their customers know they can produce really high PPI screens. I seriously doubt anyone will actually be using any 6.1" 498 PPI tablets in the future, but it's likely we'll see 498 PPI smaller devices eventually, and perhaps Toshiba will keep working at it and get larger screens as well.

I'm looking forward to Apple doubling the pixels again in some future iPhone. It'll be total overkill, but it will look so real. 1304 PPI or bust.
 
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