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I've been saying Blu-Ray will win the format war for a year now and most ppl didn't believe. Now I don't mind spending $700 on my PS3 when it first came out.:cool:

Now for the Mac vs. PC war:p

There is one more thing.

The guy that helped me at Best Buy today told me that XBox 360 sales are falling and PS3 sales are rising rapidly.

ALL HAIL THE PS3!!!

He's wrong. XBox is falling, but they're about to be surpassed by Nintendo, not Sony. Sony is not even CLOSE!

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12758/Nintendo-CEO-Wii-to-Surpass-Xbox-360s-Installed-Base/

ALL HAIL THE Wii! :p

(Sorry, just had to do that)
 
Actually

PS3 sales are still slow , no fricking good software other then Ratchet and Resistance.

I am very sad about hd-dvd dying. I have a brand new Toshiba A-3 which I paid 200 dollars for and ever since I got it 50% of my hd-dvd's freeze at about 15mins.
I probably should get warranty support soon I reckon.

I still havent received my free dvds from toshiba.

I do have a blu-ray player as well , an awesome panasonic unit
 
I've been saying Blu-Ray will win the format war for a year now and most ppl didn't believe. Now I don't mind spending $700 on my PS3 when it first came out.:cool:

Now for the Mac vs. PC war:p

There is one more thing.

The guy that helped me at Best Buy today told me that XBox 360 sales are falling and PS3 sales are rising rapidly.

ALL HAIL THE PS3!!!

That only because everyone already has an XBox :p
 
Apple hasn't gone for full support of Blu-Ray because it would cannibalize it's sales of AppleTV. Apple has invested too much into iTunes to have people buying discs to watch movies on the OS X platform.

Apple announced that they would "support" both formats years before :apple:TV.

I suspect that Apple was trying to play both sides of the format so they didn't end up like MSFT and put time/money/support into a losing format. Jobs would make a masterful politician.
 
HD DVD was doomed the day I bought my A2 player. I seem to have that effect on new technology. I would like to personally apologize to all the rest of the HD DVD folks out there.

I guess PS3 here I come.
 
I am glad to see Blu Ray as the sole HD disk format, not as much because I have anything against HD DVD, but because the longer this went on the more people who would invest in an orphaned format. But HD disks have a ways to go before they overcome DVD and they have new competition in downloadable content.

1. Home Theaters. For the vast majority of consumers, HD and DVD are indistinguishable on their current systems.
2. Cost. DVD players are dirt cheap and DVDs cost much less than HD disks.
3. Ripping. With ever increasing numbers of portable players and devices like :apple:TV, PS3 and Xbox 360, the ability to rip DVDs and encode for these devices has become increasingly attractive. Investing in HD disks only to be limited to only playing it back on one type of device is a problem.
4. Downloadable rentals. The ease, convenience and immediate availability of high quality downloadable rentals gives a viable choice for consumers. Most movies are viewed once as opposed to music so rentals that you don't even have to leave your house to get are very attractive. Mindsets will change from the idea that you need to have physical media to view a movie. This is a paradigm shift in video industry like that which occurred in the music industry a few years ago.
 
Apple is part of the Blu-ray Disc Association board, so bringing B-r to their products has never been a doubt.

I'm just grateful that MS has one less avenue into our living rooms.

<]=)
 
The Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD war is over?????

That really was fast, considering there's only 3 studios left I would have to say by the end of the year if HD-DVD is still around I'll be surprised.

Well I guess that means I can now go looking for a Blu-Ray player..... :rolleyes:
 
It is. Toshiba is even backing out. As an HD DVD supporter for a while, I am not overjoyed, but not unhappy. I stopped buying about April 2007, and am sorry I even got into it that far. I really thought the end to the war would be dual player and the like, but it seems that since Warner's Total HD discs failed the company had no choice but to pick one and Blu-Ray won out.

The only good news is that Apple will finally add support, it's just a matter of when at this point. Maybe then Handbrake or another program will be able to support Blu-Ray to Apple TV conversions.

I still prefer downloads. The Apple TV HD is amazing considering the specs.

Well, it would good if you have faster high speed broadband, at above 6 mbps but my DSL in our area is max at 3 mbps and quietly slower when download HD movies, that's no good for me.
 
The Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD war is over?????

That really was fast, considering there's only 3 studios left I would have to say by the end of the year if HD-DVD is still around I'll be surprised.

Well I guess that means I can now go looking for a Blu-Ray player..... :rolleyes:

UMD is still around here but very few movies are in pending to be released.
 
PS3 sales are still slow , no fricking good software other then Ratchet and Resistance.

I am very sad about hd-dvd dying. I have a brand new Toshiba A-3 which I paid 200 dollars for and ever since I got it 50% of my hd-dvd's freeze at about 15mins.
I probably should get warranty support soon I reckon.

I still havent received my free dvds from toshiba.

I do have a blu-ray player as well , an awesome panasonic unit

They're picking up quickly.

" The monthly NPD Group console sales numbers usually tell the same old story. Nintendo does awesome, there is a sharp drop in sales of the Xbox 360, and the PS3 is always at the bottom of the list. Well, the numbers for January are in, and Sony has pulled a shocker: the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360, Nintendo DS, and even the PlayStation Portable. "


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...m-blu-ray-hotness-and-xbox-supply-issues.html
 
Apple announced that they would "support" both formats years before :apple:TV.

I suspect that Apple was trying to play both sides of the format so they didn't end up like MSFT and put time/money/support into a losing format. Jobs would make a masterful politician.

What everyone seems to forget is that Apple doesn't manufacture HD players or sell movies. They do make computers that are used to create movie content, however, regardless of final output format. They don't have to pick one "side" or another. In fact, they can't.

:cool:
 
you know what, i'm going to say what everyone else is thinking - yet i've never seen it mentioned before:

Blu-Ray has won (is winning?) the battle because it has a snappier name than HD-DVD

anyone with me on that one? HD-DVD is a really boring name, 'Blu-Ray' on the other hand is exciting, it's futuristic, as a consumer i get excited by exciting sounding products.

If you had no knowledge of any of the technical specs or the pros and cons of each (of which both have; blu-ray has some serious cons by the way) but you were in a shop and you had to decide between "Blu-Ray" or "HD-DVD" - which would you go for?

2 syllables vs 5 syllables?
 
I never understood this movie buying buisness. Why the hell would you spend your hard earned money on a movie that you will eventullay get bored of and sell or trade for pennies on the dollar. Biggest wast of money if you ask me. Just join Netflix. You can have them deliver the movie to your door when you feel like watching it. With the cable companies offering on demand viewing and streaming movies from the internet gaining popularity why the hell would you buy a movie. I just dont get why you would waste your money. Now I can understand buying some dvds for you kids to watch. I'm sure owning a copy of Finding Nemo is invaluable to a parent but other than that it makes no sense. Collect something that will go up in value if you must.
 
let me guess, you live in a country where all the big movies are produced and always at low prices. let me guess. you pay no more than usd 20$ or so for a dvd. let me guess, all the same will be true for blu ray when prices come down a bit. for the rest of the world (even canada) prices are dire. 30-50 usd for a dvd. so with bloody region coding, hardware b cannot play disk a and consumer is forced to pay double to watch the same film a half year after it comes to the usa.

region is rubbish

Well here in canada it isn't so bad, we're still part of dvd region 1. Also dvd prices are on par here i would say.
 
you know what, i'm going to say what everyone else is thinking - yet i've never seen it mentioned before:

Blu-Ray has won (is winning?) the battle because it has a snappier name than HD-DVD

anyone with me on that one? HD-DVD is a really boring name, 'Blu-Ray' on the other hand is exciting, it's futuristic, as a consumer i get excited by exciting sounding products.

If you had no knowledge of any of the technical specs or the pros and cons of each (of which both have; blu-ray has some serious cons by the way) but you were in a shop and you had to decide between "Blu-Ray" or "HD-DVD" - which would you go for?

2 syllables vs 5 syllables?

I do have to seriously agree. Just like how when the XBox 360 was released they added the 360, instead of just xbox 2, so that they could compete with the PS3.

Names have a huge impact on the success of a product.

But what serious con's does blu-ray have?
 
you know what, i'm going to say what everyone else is thinking - yet i've never seen it mentioned before:

Blu-Ray has won (is winning?) the battle because it has a snappier name than HD-DVD

anyone with me on that one? HD-DVD is a really boring name, 'Blu-Ray' on the other hand is exciting, it's futuristic, as a consumer i get excited by exciting sounding products.

I've heard the opposite argument that HD DVD is easier to remember and self-explanatory. Although I prefer the name Blu-Ray myself.
 
I never understood this movie buying buisness. Why the hell would you spend your hard earned money on a movie that you will eventullay get bored of and sell or trade for pennies on the dollar. Biggest wast of money if you ask me. Just join Netflix. You can have them deliver the movie to your door when you feel like watching it. With the cable companies offering on demand viewing and streaming movies from the internet gaining popularity why the hell would you buy a movie. I just dont get why you would waste your money. Now I can understand buying some dvds for you kids to watch. I'm sure owning a copy of Finding Nemo is invaluable to a parent but other than that it makes no sense. Collect something that will go up in value if you must.

You are applying how you feel about movie buying to how everyone feels about it. I personally own a lot of movies, most of which I could watch many, many times throughout my life and not get sick of. The whole Netflix thing doesn't work that way either. If I want to watch a move at 10:00 at night, I can't say Netflix and have the movie magically appear so I can watch it right then, owning a movie I can watch whenever I want without knowing a day in advance. I also don't like the idea of constantly paying money to watch something. Renting a movie in any form is ok if you only want to watch something once or twice, but what about movies you want to watch a lot? In those situations it is much more reasonable to buy a movie for $5-20. There are a lot more variables to movie purchasing than what you say.
 
While it's nice to see Microsoft's wmv plans take a hit with the end of HD-DVD, I don't understand all the clamor for Blu-Ray support. As a movie distribution format, it is probably only a matter of a year or two before on-line distribution reaches the same percentage as on-line music distribution. As a general removable storage format, it will very soon be hopelessly obsolete. Holographic storage is already here in the professional markets and should be moving to the consumer market within a year or two (http://www.inphase-technologies.com/). At that point Blu-Ray will be about as relevant as floppy disks. Unless holographic disks fail some how to make the transition to the consumer market, as a consumer I just don't see what the point is in investing anything in Blu-Ray.
 
Now can we also get rid of all this competing computer OS nonsense? It's confusing for "the consumer". I prefer it when the richest consortiums make choices for me.

:cool:

I know you are joking but on a serious note....
Having Apple become the only option would doom the computer industry. they already make a buggy OS out of the box. What the heck do you think would happen to OS X if they were the only game in town. Hell Steve Jobs and Apple is easily the most arrogant company in the computer industry. :eek: I shutter at the though of them being top of the pile.

HDCP is compatible with DVI. Already have it in my two year old Dell laptop and gateway monitor.

Key word....compatible. There is a stream going from the device to your TV. If that protected path isn't protected along the entire route (Layman's terms), which is what happens if you are using a BR player with DVI instead of HDCP, the player has the option of saying "Hey this isn't a protected stream. I'm downgrading you to SD resolution!". The thing is this is disk dependent. So down the road if WB wants to get pissy they can enable this option. Right now as far as I know no one has turned this option on because so few players are fully compatible with HDCP 1.2 and that they don't want to alienate people who are starting to get into HD content. They will do this later on when they have everyone hooked. I look forward to the lawsuits.
 
who cares?

seriously, when DVD came out, the first rounds of players were obsolete not even 2 years later when "Dual Layer" discs came out. Everyone paid hundreds of dollars for players that couldn't play newer discs. (They'd freeze, skip, audio would fall out of sync) and had to buy all new players. Firmware updates! ha! BR is clunky on the back end, and I am betting something similiar will happen to make the experience better as it happened with DVD. Though I think this time, discs will play in the future ok, but I'm betting early adopters will find later hardware offerings cheaper and more feature rich than theirs. (Just size of the player alone shrinking. Sorry, but those players are bulbous.)

And DVD was $30 a disc when it came out. It took years for production costs of the discs to drop. HD-DVD required no changes to manufacturing faciliites, where as BR needs all new everything to be produced, which will keep the cost up much longer than HD-DVD would have.

Winner or not, except for the foolishly die harded (and no offense meant, but early adoption of this kind of thing is foolhardy. In a year or 2 the players and discs will DROP BIG in price) no one will buy into this until its priced like DVD is now. 90% of America finds DVD fine for their needs and will upgrade in time when their current players wear out and a Blue Ray player is $100 with $20 new releases and bargain bins.

Come on. People love diving in the 2 for and 3 for bins at sprawl-mart.

HD-DVD would have risen to a consumer friendly price point extremely fast. The BR manufacturing process is uber expensive. As a result of this, it won't be for several years unless studios and hardware makers eat cost somehwere to jump start the format, and historically (Cassette, Laser Disc, CD, VHS, DVD) they have never done this. Ever.

For blu ray fanboys, gratz. For the rest of the world, come over to watch from BRD in a few years.

For the storage happy, (and storage was BR's only really achievement over HD-DVD), no one will ever use it. Other media is already larger in capacity and more convenient. I can imagine sitting for hours while it writes to a disk, as I'm sure the write times will be s-l-o-w on the first rounds of consumer level burners. Again, more technology that will be outdated quickly and need to be swapped out. And yet another more cost focused bonus to HD-DVD as the burning technology would have probably fell to a fair price point faster.

I really think if not for the PS3, this could have gone on longer, so I'm glad that everyone can get on with it. But I just think this was not a real win for consumers on a more broad level.
 
Holographic discs in the consumer market 1-2 years? Are you kidding??

Holographic storage is already here in the professional markets and should be moving to the consumer market within a year or two (http://www.inphase-technologies.com/). At

HAHAHAH are you kidding me? Talk about a pipe dream. Now don't get me wrong, this holographic technology was developed from Bell labs which has produced a good deal of advanced computer technology. It looks to be a proven, viable technology and the products appear to be in production or soon to be in production.

BUT, and this is a BIG BUT :))), do you have any idea how long it takes to migrate this technology into a low cost system capable of DVD-level mass production, and more importantly, reduce the costs of the components and manufacture so as to sell $400 players and $2 dollar discs? The first product from inPhase which I'm not sure you can even buy right now, is reportedly going to cost USD $15,000 just for the reader and a single disc around US$120–180. And this is not to mention the huge costs and time involved in setting up all the production lines and getting the movie studios and computer software guys trained in the development of these discs.
Now I understand technology reduces in cost, but for this to be at Blu-ray competitor status in 1-2 years?? Are you kidding?

Meanwhile, blue laser optical discs (specifically Blu-ray) that hold 200GB are already in working prototype stage and the factories and production lines for producing them are already built and functioning. Players are already easily in the consumer budget, and discs are already being produced. and given the life time of DVD and standard definition TV, I can only IMAGINE the time it will take for people to upgrade to even something like 4K TV (2260P) which is the new digital cinema format. Even then H264 encoding on a 100GB->200GB disc will hold all the video and audio you need. What on earth in the consumer video market would you need a 3.5TB holographic drive for in the next 5-8 years? At least in America, people do not upgrade THAT FAST. Japan, I'm not sure. :):)

Bottom line, no way in HELL.
 
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