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That's why I would choose the 2304x1296p setting for that monitor. The 2560x1440p setting makes the screen elements too small for my liking (which annoyed me on my 2017 5K iMac), and the 1920x1080p setting makes the elements too big and reduces screen real estate too much.

My ideal screen would be a 29-30" 5K monitor set at 2560x1440p: Perfect 2X scaling, lots of screen real estate, and nicely sized screen elements.


My Huawei 3:2 monitor does provide a lot of vertical screen real estate but in truth, I sometimes prefer 16:9, depending upon what I do with it. The reason is because when I am working for long periods on vertical documents, I may not actually use the entire height of the screen.

The problem is I wear progressive "office" lenses, and so the top of the screen is out of focus if my head is facing straight at the middle third of the screen. The top of my glasses are meant for distance vision, not a computer screen, so because of the field of view of my glasses, I have to tilt my head up in order to get the top of the screen in focus; I cannot just glance upwards with these glasses. So, this is not an issue with the screen per se, but a problem related to my eyeglass prescription, and in that context a shorter screen would actually suit me better.

As for other features of this monitor, at least when connected directly to my M4 Mac mini, it wakes from sleep every time perfectly unlike some other third party monitors out there. (With my M1 Mac mini, it would also wake from sleep fine through a Thunderbolt 4 hub, but it doesn't consistently wake from sleep through that hub on the M4 for some reason. It must be directly connected to the M4.)

The one issue is that for HDMI, the monitor only supports the full resolution at up to 50 GHz. You can't use the monitor at full resolution at 60 Hz over HDMI, because they used in an older HDMI spec. This is a stupid design compromise IMO. However, I just use USB-C instead, and that gives me my desired full resolution at 60 Hz.

The monitor also provides HDR. HDR looks fine for macOS, but I noticed that there is degradation in text quality inside a VPN to a Windows machine. Everything on screen in macOS looks great in HDR... except for the window connected to Windows through VPN. It's curious and I don't know why this happens, but it's enough for me to keep the monitor in SDR mode, as I am VPNing Windows all day long for my work.

This screen also no significant backlight bleed. It's great not having to see backlight bleed. I returned two ASUS ProArt monitors that had bad backlight bleed. OTOH, screen brightness uniformity is not great. It looks a bit brighter in the centre than at the edges. Some of it due to true differences in brightness (as measured by my screen calibrator) and some of it likely due to the matte finish as the finish causes a bit of loss of brightness when viewed off axis. However, I usually don't notice it anymore unless I'm specifically looking for it or if I'm reminded about it like when I posted this message.

However, I believe they have discontinued this monitor. Also, I don't know where you're located, but I don't think it was ever available in the US, because of the Huawei ban in the US. (I'm in Canada.)
Thanks for all that great background; yes I’m in the U.S. so it’s probably banned. I’ve been tempted over the past year or so with this 28” LG monitor as a second display:


Also: I can’t stand progressive lenses, argh! I had a pair and it drove me crazy. So I just have a million prescription reading/computer glasses all over my house, drives my wife crazy.
 
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Does that mean that a 5K monitor is the best buy?
People working with high-precision stuff (like graphic designers) will IMO be well served by a 5K display because of the perfect pixel mapping. But just isn't that much competition in this space and they're quite pricy, and for a lot of uses a 4K display is going to totally be usable.

Also worth noting, the terms "4K" and "5K" sound like they're not that different, but a 5K display has about 78% more pixels on screen than a 4K display.
 
But choosing an Apple 5k display you sacrifice wide color gamut and color managed workflow. So its not all about ppi.
 
However, I believe they have discontinued this monitor.
Thanks for all that great background; yes I’m in the U.S. so it’s probably banned.
I've got a pair of 28" MateViews and they're great - but apparently discontinued.
However, I see that Benq are now offering this:

 
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I've got a pair of 28" MateViews and they're great - but apparently discontinued.
However, I see that Benq are now offering this:

Interesting. I wonder if the BenQ's focus towards programmers makes it less appropriate for multimedia editing.

It's good to see this one is DisplayPort 1.4 instead of DisplayPort 1.2 like on the MateView. Both the MateView and this BenQ are HDMI 2.0. However, the MateView is limited to 50 Hz when at full resolution on HDMI. I don't know if the BenQ shares the same limitation.
 
This used to be an issue on the first gen apple sillicon but im not if they got an update or not. I am currently using an LG 4k 23.7 inches at 2304x1296 and it looks as good if it set it up at 1080p. I remember my apple m1 on my thunderbolt display it looked bad.....
 
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Agree on 1440. In screen settings where you choose resolution should be a way to turn off HDR.

I think displayport or usb-c ( built-in displayport ) is the way to go. HDMI is not the best in this situation.
That’s a bold claim and it really depends on several factors: first of all HDMI 2.1 has more bandwidth than DP 1.4, which is the only DP Version supported by the M4 Chip over Thunderbolt 4. The M4 Pro supports Thunderbolt 5 with DP 2.1 but I doubt there are many monitors actually out there that support DP 2.1, hell even modern GPU from NVIDIA / AMD don’t support it (AMD supports DP 2.0 but not on the highest bitrate).

For the foreseeable future HDMI 2.1 is actually the higher bandwidth connection until monitors adapt DP 2.0/1
 
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That’s a bold claim and it really depends on several factors: first of all HDMI 2.1 has more bandwidth than DP 1.4, which is the only DP Version supported by the M4 Chip over Thunderbolt 4. The M4 Pro supports Thunderbolt 5 with DP 2.1 but I doubt there are many monitors actually out there that support DP 2.1, hell even modern GPU from NVIDIA / AMD don’t support it (AMD supports DP 2.0 but not on the highest bitrate).

For the foreseeable future HDMI 2.1 is actually the higher bandwidth connection until monitors adapt DP 2.0/1

I agree, HDMI is on par (or even ahead) if we look at capabilities and the latest standards.

But @arncalars is also right - for computer monitors HDMI might not ideal with some Macs due to various technical reasons: macOS tends to switch to YCbCr instead of RGB by default when using HDMI. Since some displays (including some LG monitors) have slightly degraded image quality when this happens (even without chroma subsampling) this might not be preferred by some pro users. Additionally, on many Apple Silicon Macs HDMI connections will be assigned a DCP slot that provides limited framebuffer (video memory) resolution, usually up to 5K max - this results in a max 2560px HiDPI limit (this is only a problem if more is needed, maybe on a 32" display). On first and second generation Apple Silicon Macs with HDMI 2.0, chroma subsampling is needed for HDR (at 10-bit color depth) even for 4K@60Hz which will result in decreased color resolution.

But for most users these are not really pressing issues, so no need to be overly concerned about any of this. For the OP at 4K@60Hz SDR at 2560x1440 HiDPI resolution HDMI should be perfectly fine. :)
 
1440P workspace is best for 27-inch.

But you need to enable HiDPI model with another app called BetterDisplay to handle the UI scaling to get sharp fonts. MacOS scaling for 27-inch 4K is not ideal.
 
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If you get a good HDMI cable 4K isn't an issue at all, unless you need professional quality display. And if you are in that boat you probably don't need our help on this subject!

I was a long time mini owner who went with a 2017 5K iMac when there was a long gap in new releases to the mini line. The iMac needed replacing this year, so I went with the new M4 mini and a new 4K monitor. At first I was bummed the resolution would be lower until I looked at what the iMac was set to... 2560x1440. And that was one of the resolutions I could choose for the mini, so I did. I honestly don't see any issues with not choosing exactly half of the native resolution, and I have a sub-$200 27" HDMI-only monitor. I did get a better HDMI cable than the one that came with the monitor, though. $10 on Amazon for a short 8K-rated cable which is probably way overkill, but it was $2 more than the others.

And I will also give a +1 for BetterDisplay.
 
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Does that mean that a 5K monitor is the best buy?
A 5K monitor will perform much better, but if they are the best buy depends on the user. 5K will have a better image, but will be much more expensive, and there is a much smaller choice. 4K might be enough.

However, this might change. The new Asus ProArt PQ27JCV looks a good 5K display at a relatively good price, and hopefully there will be more models coming along from a range of manufacturers now that there are new options for sourcing the panels, because the ProArt range is usually far from the cheapest option (but often worth it if you have the money).
 
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What irritated me with my 2017 5K iMac is that there was no 2304x1296 setting offered (unless you went with third party software). Yes, I realize that 2560x1440 would be preferred because of its 2X scaling, but I didn't like the default OS element sizing provided by 2560x1440 in a 27" monitor. IMO, 5K at 2560x1440 is better suited to a 29-30" size. (In fact, Apple used to agree. Their old flagship was a 30" 2560x1600 Apple Cinema HD Display.)

Ironically, on 4K 3840x2160 163 ppi 27" monitors, 2304x1296 is offered by macOS without third party software. Or in my case with my 4K+ 3840x2560 163 ppi 28.2" monitor, macOS offers 2304x1536, which is what I run.
 
Just got a Mac mini M4 and an 27 LG 4k monitor, its the first time Im using a Mac leaving Windows behind, and I'm confused regarding what resolution to use, after setting up the Mac with HDMI cable the default shows 1920 x 1080 should I change to 2560 x 1440? when I changed it looked fine but saw some places recommending to leave on 1080 on a 4K monitor despite the fact that the icons look bigger is that true? is better to leave in 1080?

Also should I turn ON HDR? is there a way to leave HDR off and to activate based on content?
Best advice? Just try out the different resolutions and settings with the HDMI cable and see what looks good to you. It doesn’t take long, and ultimately it’s about what works best for your eyes and workflow.

There are endless explanations and hundreds of YouTube videos dissecting scaling…it’s a bit overkill.

Adjust it to your liking, and you’ll be good to go. That’s what I do, and it works just fine!
 
It is about you: your eyes/brain, your work station, lighting and your workflows. Determine what is best for you by empirically testing the different resolution choices. You may even prefer to set different resolutions for different activities. Working all day in Excel may be different for you than watching a movie on Netflix, for instance.

E.g. in my case I have multiple external 4K displays [mine are Viewsonic] with resolution, brightness and color management set specifically on each display for the individual apps that are normally open on each display. In Photos I have the images present on one [max resolution] display but have the Photos image metadata window set to open on a different [lower resolution] display making metadata info easier for me to see. And after recent eye surgery I changed the resolutions as appropriate to suit the current needs of my eyes/brain.

As others have said, connecting to a good quality 4K display via a quality HDMI cable should be fine. Test, being aware that lower quality displays will usually perform accordingly.

Life is too short to ever buy low quality cables.
 
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The reason 1920 x 1080 is recommended on a 4k monitor is due to the awful way macOS handles scaling. If you set your resolution to 2560 x 1440, macOS renders at 5120 x 2880. On a 5k monitor, this results in a perfect 1:1 pixel mapping. But on a 4k monitor, the image is scaled down to 3840 x 2160. This results in artefacts, blurriness, tearing etc. Unfortunately, to get 1:1 pixel mapping on a 4k display, you need to select 1920 x 1080.

Having said all of this, if 2560 x 1440 looks good to you, use it.
I think this is an overblown issue with monitors and macOS. Mac does better scaling than Windows as I still have apps that do not support scaling, or are extremely blurry on Windows. I use 1440 for my 4k display and everything looks as crisp as it can.

Oh and yes I do graphical design and work on a lot of effects for production use. So the display quality really matters to me.
 
That’s a bold claim and it really depends on several factors: first of all HDMI 2.1 has more bandwidth than DP 1.4, which is the only DP Version supported by the M4 Chip over Thunderbolt 4. The M4 Pro supports Thunderbolt 5 with DP 2.1 but I doubt there are many monitors actually out there that support DP 2.1, hell even modern GPU from NVIDIA / AMD don’t support it (AMD supports DP 2.0 but not on the highest bitrate).

For the foreseeable future HDMI 2.1 is actually the higher bandwidth connection until monitors adapt DP 2.0/1
I can't use my Eizo monitor with HDMI without also connecting USB. So I don't find HDMI attractive. In my response to thread starter, I gave my short recommendation.

Regards Lars
 
Thanks for all that great background; yes I’m in the U.S. so it’s probably banned. I’ve been tempted over the past year or so with this 28” LG monitor as a second display:


Also: I can’t stand progressive lenses, argh! I had a pair and it drove me crazy. So I just have a million prescription reading/computer glasses all over my house, drives my wife crazy.
I also opted for separate glasses. Driving, reading, computer, sun and an old pair of bifocals for food shopping (so I can see the dates) Best decision I ever made.
 
I just took a look at a YouTube video by Half Man Half Tech of a guy who compared 1440 and 4K 27" monitors to deal with the 'which is better for Mac' question. I turned on the transcript feature and cut to the last portion for the bottom line. I think he considered 4K sharper and the scaling-related performance hit overrated.

27” 4K vs 27" 1440p - Which Is The Best For Mac?

 
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I think this is an overblown issue with monitors and macOS. Mac does better scaling than Windows as I still have apps that do not support scaling, or are extremely blurry on Windows. I use 1440 for my 4k display and everything looks as crisp as it can.

Oh and yes I do graphical design and work on a lot of effects for production use. So the display quality really matters to me.
I'm no expert but I'd guess that graphical design and effects require better overall display quality than pixel density. Coders who work in text all day long might benefit more from higher pixel density

I just took a look at a YouTube video by Half Man Half Tech of a guy who compared 1440 and 4K 27" monitors to deal with the 'which is better for Mac' question. I turned on the transcript feature and cut to the last portion for the bottom line. I think he considered 4K sharper and the scaling-related performance hit overrated.

27” 4K vs 27" 1440p - Which Is The Best For Mac?

For text, I find 1440p 27" quite problematic.
 
I would never go to 4K for the fact that it’s not the preferred DPI for macOS which is 218 DPI and most monitors fall outside that range, unless it’s a 21.5 inch 4K display, which not that many are made at this size for obvious reasons. Since I used 5K for a few years, I would never consider a 27” 4K display since it’s an inferior experience, which is why I invested in two Studio Displays. The Mac Studio is using a cheaper LG Ultrafine and I recently replaced the 1440P display with a Samsung Viewfinity S9 that is half of the original price and a bit cheaper than the Asus one that use the same panel. It doesn’t have enough DPI at that size and they are designed more for Windows systems than Macs. I tried one, the 4K one doesn’t give the best experience at 1440p scaling at 4K.

If you need perfect pixels, you aren’t going to get it with a 4K monitor if you want to want to use 1440p. It’s best to spend a little bit more money for a 5K display, which more affordable options like the Asus one and Samsung Viewfinity S9 5K (when it’s on sale, which is pretty often at half price) are coming out versus the Studio Displaay. The only thing you probably miss is Truetone, those are only available on the LG Ultrafines and Studio Display. Not to mention, the monitors are good between upgrades, meaning if you upgrade your machine, you will be able to use the monitors and monitors tend to last a very long time.

This article explains the issues with 4K displays.

Would not recommend 1440p displays since with recent versions of macOS, they look noticeably worse due to font smoothing being gone in recent versions.
 
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I'm no expert but I'd guess that graphical design and effects require better overall display quality than pixel density. Coders who work in text all day long might benefit more from higher pixel density


For text, I find 1440p 27" quite problematic.
Agreed. I've got a 1440p 27" display on my desk at work (my employer is cheap!) and frankly it's not great for Illustrator and InDesign. I have to zoom way in to make sure things are where I think they are, then back out again for the overview -- repeatedly in some cases. My iMac at home, by contrast isn't as large but everything on screen shows very precisely.
 
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As I have read, displayport support the best signal. HDMI does not display everything. You could Google the subject.
HDMI and DisplayPort both transmit uncompressed video. Neither has better image quality than the other.


However, with the 27” LG and most 4K60 monitors, the monitor’s receiver chip uses DisplayPort 1.2 and HDMI 2.0, and THIS means that the 4K60 video signal will have 10-bit color with DisplayPort but only 8-bit color with HDMI, and THAT makes a difference.
 
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Just something to think about: If you are wanting a "built in" USB Hub as part of your monitor, Make sure that it will support HDMI. I haven't looked at a lot of monitors but my LG will ONLY support its USB Hub with a USB-C cable to power any accessories.
 
I would never go to 4K for the fact that it’s not the preferred DPI for macOS which is 218 DPI and most monitors fall outside that range, unless it’s a 21.5 inch 4K display, which not that many are made at this size for obvious reasons. Since I used 5K for a few years, I would never consider a 27” 4K display since it’s an inferior experience, which is why I invested in two Studio Displays. The Mac Studio is using a cheaper LG Ultrafine and I recently replaced the 1440P display with a Samsung Viewfinity S9 that is half of the original price and a bit cheaper than the Asus one that use the same panel. It doesn’t have enough DPI at that size and they are designed more for Windows systems than Macs. I tried one, the 4K one doesn’t give the best experience at 1440p scaling at 4K.

If you need perfect pixels, you aren’t going to get it with a 4K monitor if you want to want to use 1440p. It’s best to spend a little bit more money for a 5K display, which more affordable options like the Asus one and Samsung Viewfinity S9 5K (when it’s on sale, which is pretty often at half price) are coming out versus the Studio Displaay. The only thing you probably miss is Truetone, those are only available on the LG Ultrafines and Studio Display. Not to mention, the monitors are good between upgrades, meaning if you upgrade your machine, you will be able to use the monitors and monitors tend to last a very long time.

This article explains the issues with 4K displays.

Would not recommend 1440p displays since with recent versions of macOS, they look noticeably worse due to font smoothing being gone in recent versions.
I recently connected my mac into a 1440p monitor and it was not that bad to be honest, right now with the LG 4k 23.7 I like it a lot i have no issues, i think mac os got updates to fix this because i remember with my thunderbolt monitor it was bad, now its great.
 
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Would not recommend 1440p displays since with recent versions of macOS, they look noticeably worse due to font smoothing being gone in recent versions.
For the benefit of others reading this thread: an actual "1440p" display is not the same - and shows far less detail than - the "2560x1440" mode offered by MacOS on 4k monitors. The latter is basically 5k downsampled to 4k and takes great advantage of the extra resolution of a 4k screen. (It's about time that Apple stopped using these "looks like" resolutions as they're really confusing and misleading for newbies and their significance is lost in the mists of history).

I would not recommend spending money on a physical 1440p or 1080p display these days - if you have one knocking around it will work on a Mac, but Apple are no longer making an effort to make MacOS look good on them.

The problems with usingt a 4K display are, however, overstated, I think.

This article explains the issues with 4K displays.
...and it describes the issues correctly, but IMHO is overly prescriptive and simplistic and exaggerates their real-world impact. The illustrations of the artefacts do have a factual basis - but take worst-case scenarios and then exaggerate them by showing enlargements. The article misses the point that a 4k, 27" display at a reasonable arms-length viewing distance just about meets the definition of "retina" so people with typical vision will have difficulty seeing individual pixels - or pixel-sized artefacts.

(...and if you're using 1-pixel checkerboards in anything you're creating then Claris the DogCow phoned and wants it's 1984 UI design back, since anybody looking at those at anything other than the One True Resolution is going to get horrible Moire patterns.)

Also, on a 4k screen, simply switching to "looks like 1920x1080" takes seconds and will give you pixel-perfect 4k images at the expense of slightly large but perfectly usable (and sharp) system fonts/menus/dialogues. Most Apps will let you zoom or change the font size for the content and that is displayed at full 4k. How much "screen estate" you lose depends on your apps, workflow and personal preferences... it takes seconds to flip between one mode for pixel-accurate work and another for maximum "screen estate".

Bear in mind (a) the price difference between 4k UHD and 5k (5120x2880) will get you a pair of decent 4k displays for the price of a single 5k.

Once a 4k screen gets >> 27" then "1:1" "looks like 3840x2160" starts to become usable and the whole scaling issue goes away (Ignored by the red/green charts in that article).

For years I had a 5k iMac with a cheapo Dell 4k@28" alongside it as a second display. The "cheapo" bit showed up because the Dell had washed-out colours (better 4k screens are available). With the 4k in "looks like 1440p" mode - giving much the same UI size as the 5k - then, yes, the 5k was crisper and the 4k looked a bit soft-focus, but the difference was barely noticeable in daily use.

Does that mean that a 5K monitor is the best buy?
Depends on your definition of "best buy".

Arguably, a ~220ppi display is the optimum for MacOS - which means 4k@24", 5k@27" or 6k@32". (...and that 5k is 5120x2880, 16:9 - don't be confused by "5k2k" displays that are ultra-wide screens with the same ppi as a 27" 4k).

However, those 5k and 6k screens come at a huge price premium and there are only a couple of alternatives to choose from (and even 4k 24" screens aren't very common now).

so 4k is a very reasonable compromise on price & choice vs. performance. Also - Your Mileage May Vary (along with your eyesight) as to whether the historical UI size of a 27" iMac is really the ultimate: its actually quite small and fiddly.

If you want to really capture the old 5k iMac experience you'll probably be looking at a Studio Display, although with basically the same sort of panel that Apple were selling 8 years ago, no secondary video input, a penny-pinching/form-over-function captive mains lead and a very basic stand (unless you fork out $$$ for the sort of height-adjustable strand that comes as standard with cheaper displays) I'm loathe to call it any sort of "best buy". Also, I like a dual display setup, and it just doesn't make sense to double-up all those audio, webcam, power delivery and TB hub features at the price.

Personally, my "best buy" would have been what I currently have - a pair of 28" 3:2 ratio, 3840x2560 4k+ Huawei Mateviews if not for the deal-breaker that you could never find them in the US and that they now seem to be discontinued. Total cost: I paid £400 for the first and £600 for the second. I can't really recommend the Benq RD280U 28" 3:2 "programmers monitor" sight unseen, but it's what I'd be checking out if I had to replace my Mateviews - and you could still get a pair for less than the cost of a Studio Display.
 
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