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As for SOX and other accounting guidelines, there's several options Apple could have pursued to abide by these rules but still "do the right thing for their customers". Lower priced update, rebates, bundling in added value bonuses (say a $10 iTMS code), paying for the updates on behalf of their customers using a promotional budget, and I'm sure there's more.

The lower priced update would be the only option and still abide by SOX guidelines...
 
Are you saying then that you would have preferred Apple charge for the update rather than giving it away? I guess I am asking you if you in fact disagree with this statement, and why:

"It would have been a nice gesture for Apple to give these applications to all touch owners for free, but there was no implied or otherwise obligation for them to do so."

You're telling me that I'm shoving "my truth" down other peoples throats, but you don't seem to giving me any reason why what I am saying is wrong or debatable.

I'm grateful that Apple is giving people the opportunity to have the latest technology without having to go buy new hardware. Not everything has to be free and I don't care how much this makes everyone else angry but, it doesn't bother me and I was happy to give Apple $20 even though I could easily have kept my iPod jailbroken and using the Apps for free... but, to me, THAT was not the right thing to do... I'm glad that I'm legit now... feels good. Plus, my iPod feels fresher now.

Safari is snappier!
 
Okay everyone.

I apologize for this post. My point is that for a measly $20, you can upgrade your iPod to a fully functional PDA, a better value than say getting a Windoze Mobile.

Yes, the whole Sarbanes-Oxley thing, Apple could've made it $4.99 or $1.99 instead, but they didn't.

If I had a Touch that I didn't want to hack, I'd pay the $20, then complain to Steve Jobs himself (according to other users, his office does read and respond to e-mail concerns).

Who knows, you may log into iTunes soon after and find a gift credit of $20. :D
 
Yes, the whole Sarbanes-Oxley thing, Apple could've made it $4.99 or $1.99 instead, but they didn't.

Possibly so, but I don't think we can really know. I don't claim to understand these rules, let alone how Apple's bean counters interpret them, but it seems like the amount of the charge is fairly arbitrary. Then again, it might be based on some internal Apple pricing formula. The reality is, none of us are going to have the information required to actually know, and it's doubtful that Apple will ever say.
 
Hm. I think a bunch of our posts got deleted from this thread. Ah well, it wasn't really going anywhere productive, but it does seem a bit heavy handed by the mods. We were keeping it contained to this thread for the most part.
 
Possibly so, but I don't think we can really know. I don't claim to understand these rules, let alone how Apple's bean counters interpret them, but it seems like the amount of the charge is fairly arbitrary. Then again, it might be based on some internal Apple pricing formula. The reality is, none of us are going to have the information required to actually know, and it's doubtful that Apple will ever say.


Yes, aren't iPod games $5? That's probably the minimal cost to pay off the developers and the paperwork/legwork involved to offer it plus $1 profit.

Would make sense that the iPhone apps for the Touch turn out to be $4 each... no profit but all the other costs involved.
 
... Everyone defending Apple in this case KNOWS, deep down inside, the RIGHT thing for Apple to have done was giving the software away. Everyone on the other side knows, deep down inside, that Apple was under no OBLIGATION to do it, but that it would have been the right thing to do.

That's it. That's the end of the discussion. ...
I hate this kind of low-brow, illogical bullsh*t argument. How dare you tell anyone what they are thinking? And what a colossal fallacy to think that you *do* know what "everyone" is thinking.

To prove you are wrong I will tell you what I think, and you will see how it's different from what you assumed...

1. Even if the hackers had their way and the iPhone was completely open, you still have no right to expect someone to give you an application for free.

2. The only right way to judge the apps is whether you think you are getting value for your money.

3. You get seven things for 20 bucks, 3 of which are widgets (which are scarcely worth five bucks all together IMO), but the mail client alone is worth the 20 spot, and you get three other apps as well. So you are basically paying five bucks each for apps that are likely worth more to most people. Sounds like a deal to me.

You also get free updates to the firmware all the time etc. etc.

If the hackers had their way and it was an open market, we would be paying more, for crappier (and unsecure) apps. Period.

If you think they should be free, why don't you go out and write an email client as good as the one on the iPhone and then offer it for FREE through iTunes when the SDK arrives?

I bet if *you* had written it, you would want to get much more than the five buck maximum Apple will allow for it. You'd probably be bitching that evil Apple was getting in the way of your capitalist urges or something. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, aren't iPod games $5? That's probably the minimal cost to pay off the developers and the paperwork/legwork involved to offer it plus $1 profit.

Would make sense that the iPhone apps for the Touch turn out to be $4 each... no profit but all the other costs involved.

Could be. Beats me. I remember a similar debate when Apple charged $4.99 for the Wireless-n activation utility. I expect someone inside Apple came up with a paper rationale for the charge, but to us it looks to have been plucked out of thin air.

But here's the hidden-in-plain site truth: On the wireless activation, I don't think Apple made any effort to lock the activator down to one purchaser, and I don't see any evidence that they've done this for the mobile applications either. Just something to think about.
 
Maybe Apple decided they had to put in costs for the infrastructure to have them implement this...

FAIL

cause we see how well that worked:D, the update is now unavailable:rolleyes: lol

i wonder if people complained like this when The 360 ellite came out with HDMI
how about the fact that the 360 premium now comes with HDMI

dont you know all of the people who bought one just before it are pissed (but then they prolly dont know)
 
Says who? That is your truth and only your truth.

EDIT: btw, Apple is perfectly within their right to charge for this upgrade. At the end of the day, those apps have never been an advertised feature of the iPod touch. The only thing I think they have done wrong is charging existing iPod touch owners for the upgrade, but not new owners.


Thank you for pointing this out. I still don't get it. When I heard Steve say this I kinda opened my mouth a bit. Charge the Ipod and Apple fanboys but noone else? Just because we got out ipods for xmas or even the day they came out? Shouldn't be the other way around?

Resolve: As a special treat to current Ipod users, a free download of these apps are available now! Future touch users will be able to pay a $20 fee for these great features. "yay"
 
FAIL

cause we see how well that worked:D, the update is now unavailable:rolleyes: lol


how about the fact that the 360 premium now comes with HDMI

dont you know all of the people who bought one just before it are pissed (but then they prolly dont know)


Yes they are pissed, I am pissed.

I bought my 360 just months before they started putting HDMI in. All Msoft says is "Hdmi is the same as component" So then the question is, why put HDMI in your console then? They just got more money because people went out to buy another xbox just for HDMI.
 
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