Toyota and Ford Create Automaker Group to Promote Open Source Smartphone Interfaces

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Ford and Toyota have formed a four-automaker consortium to speed up the deployment of open source software for connected in-car systems, according to a report by Bloomberg on Wednesday.

    The SmartDeviceLink Consortium, which includes Mazda, PSA Group, Fuji, and Suzuki, aims to prevent Apple and Google from controlling how drivers connect smartphones to their vehicles. Suppliers Elektrobit, Harma, Luxoft, QNX, and Xevo have also joined the organization, which is named after an open source version of Ford's AppLink connectivity interface, a system used in over 5 million vehicles globally.


    The non-profit group's goal is to promote more choice in how drivers connect to in-car technologies like dashboard displays, steering wheel controls and voice recognition systems. By using an open source platform, the automakers hope to set a standard by which they and their suppliers can integrate smartphones with vehicles, and thereby attract developers who can then integrate the universal linking technology into their software.

    Toyota has so far resisted including Apple's CarPlay and Google's Android Auto in its vehicles, arguing that doing so would diminish safety and security standards. Ford offers them on all its 2017 model vehicles, but remains supportive of an open-source software platform that all app developers can use as an alternative to Carplay and Android Auto.

    The open source project will be managed by Livio, a software startup Ford acquired in 2013. Livio will work with early adopters to build the interfaces and infotainment systems for each vehicle environment.

    Apple's own system, CarPlay, brings Maps, Phone, Messages, Music, Podcasts, and a number of third-party apps, such as Spotify, to a vehicle's dashboard. Apple announced CarPlay with several big-name partners already on board, like BMW, Ford, GM, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, and more.

    Due to Apple's commitment to user privacy, CarPlay collects very little data from users and car manufacturers. According to information released by Porsche, Apple only collects information on whether a car is accelerating while CarPlay is in use. This is in stark contrast to Android Auto, which collects a lot more car data when in use.

    Article Link: Toyota and Ford Create Automaker Group to Promote Open Source Smartphone Interfaces
  2. gixxerfool macrumors 6502a


    Jun 7, 2008
    So Ford, who for a long while only offered a MS solution, now wants an open source solution? Because they don't want Apple and Google controlling the experiences? Smells to me they know people hate the factory options and lack of updates and consumers are seeing the value of CarPlay and Androud Auto. So now the consortium can have third parties do all the heavy lifting and they can pass the buck on poor user experience.
  3. emm386 macrumors 6502


    Feb 5, 2016
    I would really appreciate an open-source communication interface here! Choice and common industry standards have so far always made my life in IT a lot easier!

    Though Apple (and Google - just to be fair) would probably go thermonuclear war on this approach...

    But one can dream!
  4. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

    Andres Cantu

    May 31, 2015
    Rio Grande Valley in South Texas
    I guess they will have to learn the hard way, you can't compete with Apple and Google in tech.
  5. bnekic macrumors 6502a


    Sep 19, 2013
    Cleveland, OH
    If an automaker doesn't offer Apple CarPlay or Android Auto you're out of the game.
  6. samh004 macrumors 68020


    Mar 1, 2004
    So long as they allow me the choice of choosing what system I want to use I don't have an issue with this... however I see this as going the other way, say choice but what they really mean is that they limit what I can choose to use.

    I drive a new Suzuki Swift in Australia, but even the model with a GPS system doesn't support CarPlay. I don't like the standard GPS systems in cars and the lack of functionality with connecting my smartphone meant I chose the cheaper model without this. As a result, I have my phone on my lap and sometimes glance down to see directions. It's dangerous. It doesn't need to be, but I have no other choice than to run what is on my phone.
  7. JimmyJimmyYam macrumors member

    Apr 15, 2015
    Consumer choice and competition - this can only be a good thing.
  8. rdlink macrumors 68040


    Nov 10, 2007
    Out of the Reach of the FBI
    This is complete and total BS. This is the doublespeak for the crap that the automakers have been foisting on us for years. Disjointed and poorly conceived interfaces that are confusing and frustrating. Ford is the worst of the bunch.

    No CarPlay? No sale.
  9. dwaltwhit macrumors 6502


    Oct 25, 2013
    Create an open source platform and let all comers create their own OS.
  10. kd5jos macrumors 6502


    Oct 28, 2007
    Denver, CO
    This is what happens when companies that don't understand a technology decide to use the technology they don't understand.

    First we have problems with security (my Jeep Renegade is an example). Second we have problems with accessibility. This consortium is an example. They think that what I want when buying a car is another device to take care of, that exists outside the ecosystem of the devices I have.

    They operate under the idea that, "choice is always better." Well, choice is good. If I can choose to use my iPhone with their system, okay, great, no complaints.

    The problem I have is when the OS is "Open Source" meaning anyone can develop for it instead of any device can connect through it. I don't WANT to use Spotify, I already have a music app and don't want to spend money on another damn subscription. I don't WANT to use another GPS app, I already know how to use mine...

    The apps I have are the same across my iPhone, iPad, and Mac. That's great you want to build an Open Source OS, but I don't NEED an Open Source OS, I NEED CarPlay.

    Toyota's assertion that they don't use CarPlay because safety, is asinine. "We aren't going to give you the ability to use your device without having to look at it because it's more safe that way..."

    Before anyone goes "fanboi" on me.... The same can be said of Android and Windows.

    I don't WANT to deal with ANOTHER OS. This is why I work in a single ecosystem. Give me complete access to my single ecosystem. Period.

    Demanding consumers buy the best in class for each item they purchase is the way things worked ten years ago. I buy the devices that get the job done inside the ecosystem I use. I've bought a system, not a group of devices I figure out how to kludge together into a system.

    For now, I'm with Apple. The quality has dropped as of late, and the only thing preventing me from being an Android user is that I don't want my data to be a commodity. If I thought I could trust google with my data, I may jump ship. Windows? Their still in the "Win95" of the mobile market. That and they are the targets of most exploits.

    Welcome to 2017. It's about "system" now, not just device.
  11. magicschoolbus macrumors 65816


    May 27, 2014
    Toyota needs to swallow their pride. I have the EnTune radio in my 2014 corolla and the pairing with my iPhone is terrible.

    The bluetooth audio works, but the browse folder rarely comes up. On top of that, the phone will sometimes completely unpair itself from the system and then reconnect whenever it wants to.

    It was great on iOS 7 but as we have moved up with software updates, the radio has gotten worse and worse. I never was one to base a car decision off of the type of headunit it has - but since I find aftermarket solutions so ugly - being most cars are kind of designed around the "infotainment" system inside the vehicle - my next car will not be a toyota even though I have had great luck with it.

    In fact - their statement of Car Play being less safe I can assure you is not true. There have been times where I'll be on the phone with someone and the headunit just craps out on me completely and resets itself - causing me to then have to pick up my phone and put it on speaker, tell them I'll call them back at a red light - so I can re-pair the phone to the headunit only for it to drop again.

    Fix this garbage Toyota. You will loose customers over this stubborn decision. The market has spoken. Andriod Auto and Car Play should be installed in all headunits across the board.
  12. jeffg819 macrumors regular

    Dec 25, 2006
    Very transparent move to try and force the technology their direction to support the subscription models I'm sure they have in R&D. Open source but let's start with his Ford version? Nuts to that.

    Car companies. I want Apple Play in my vehicle.
  13. Supermacguy macrumors 6502

    Jan 3, 2008
  14. NexusUser macrumors member


    Aug 24, 2016
    It seems to me this is about the underlying operating system, not the user interface. Neither Apple nor Google control the operating system used by any automaker, Android Auto and Apple's CarPlay run on top of each automakers OS. Standardizing the underlying operating system across car makers can only improve the CarPlay experience and allow more native auto apps to flourish alongside it while hopefully improving security and ensuring timely updates.

    Just because it isn't Apple doesn't mean this isn't a good thing, CarPlay will continue to run on top of whatever they build. Right now only Google and maybe Microsoft are trying to make a car operating system. Don't expect Apple to build a car operating system for anything other than an Apple Car, hardware + software is their mantra.
  15. Pike R. Alpha macrumors 6502

    Pike R. Alpha

    Oct 4, 2015
    This is how it should work. Open Source is good. Choice is good. Ok. This OSS consortium may be late in the game, but can become a game changer.
  16. Iconoclysm macrumors 68020


    May 13, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Ford did not offer an MS solution, they bought an MS solution then built pile after pile of useless **** GUI over top of it until the only thing left was the MS logo and a tarnished reputation.
  17. err404 macrumors 68020

    Mar 4, 2007
    I'm fine with a new open standard so long as they don't remove Android Auto and Carplay.
    They need to remember that a vehicle interface for your phone needs deep integration into your phone. The OS manufacturer is in the best position to make this work well.
    I don't really understand why they want this. It seems like they would still lose control over the experience. Ford Sync does not lock a user into buying another Ford. In fact I have had it in two prior cars and it is terrible. The only reason I bought another was because it has Carplay now.
    That said, I would understand if this was to make a standard interface for Apple and Goolge to use so they can avoid OS specific implementations and licensing. This would also be forward thinking for future smartphone OS.
  18. ILuvEggplant Suspended


    Jul 28, 2016
    Los Angeles, CA
    I just bought a new 2017 car and it did not have either the capability of apple or google.

    At the end of the day those are still in their infancy so NO it does NOT matter yet.

    Open source would be better for all of us .

    I certainly wouldn't want Apple Maps as my only choice of navigation. I don't want to end up being navigated into the ocean.
  19. dotnet macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2015
    Sydney, Australia
    ...and has thus lost my business, after 20 years of patronage.
  20. JoEw macrumors 68000


    Nov 29, 2009
    Over CarPlay integration? After market options?
  21. 69Mustang, Jan 4, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2017

    69Mustang macrumors 603


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    Your post demonstrates a lack of understanding of the subject matter. Auto makers don't care about CarPlay or Android Auto. CP and AA are nothing but glorified app overlays completely dependent on the phone to operate. As long as they continue to operate that way CP and AA are only an added sales opportunity to upgrade a trim package They (car manufacturers) are worried about Google and Apple designing full infotainment systems and influencing their sales based on a potential customer's choice of phone. Google has already started down that road and I don't doubt Apple isn't thinking along the same lines. With their bs secrecy crap, it's hard to tell how far Apple has come. Google on the other hand is doing exactly what is scaring the bejeebus out of auto makers. Google is getting into the dash instead of borrowing the screen.

    ^^This is what they're worrying about. Not really sure what you're worried about to be honest. You don't have to worry about another OS. Again, CP and AA are overlays, apps from your phone borrowing your car's screen. The underlying OS of the infotainment center has nothing to do with either. To further illustrate that point. New Honda's offer Car Play integration. Yay! The underlying OS on the infotainment system? Android. Other companies have their own proprietary OS (a lot of them QNX) and they still work with Car Play. So you have nothing to worry about. You won't have to deal with another OS.
  22. 4jasontv macrumors 65816

    Jul 31, 2011
    20 years of Toyota would mean one car.
    --- Post Merged, Jan 4, 2017 ---
    They already did. I was looking for high mpg with car play, but none of the vehicles that met my other wants had it. If Toyota had supported it I wouldn't have even investigated other vehicles. I ended up getting another car that didn't have car play that had better MPG than the prius. I wouldn't have know their competitors car existed if they had offered what I initially wanted.
  23. dotnet macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2015
    Sydney, Australia
    It *could* mean one car, but in my case it doesn't.
  24. 4jasontv macrumors 65816

    Jul 31, 2011
    If that had been my experience it would be a better reason to not buy another.
  25. dotnet macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2015
    Sydney, Australia
    Really? Most people I know don't drive their cars until they disintegrate beneath their butts. I like to change every four years or so, when a car changes from an asset into a liability.

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