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Triplets born to teenager - Again(!)
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You can't be "forced" to have sex (legally). She is 100% responsible and should have to pay for her actions. That said, the fathers are 100% responsible as well and should pay too. This whole thing is absurd. If you can't afford to raise a child/don't have the ability to raise a child...you shouldn't have unprotected sex....period. Or if your religion/beliefs prevent you from using contraception, you shouldn't be having sex, then.
I don't live in the UK, so this case doesn't specifically affect me. However, similar things happen here all the time. I hate the fact that I have to pay for someone else's mistakes and foot the bill for them. I'm all for helping people in need. But when their poor decisions (especially repeated) put the burden on people who don't make these kinds of avoidable mistakes, that's what really irritates me.
Exactly.
While it goes against everything I believe in to help people who have put themselves in a bad position through their own freely-chosen actions, we have to consider the welfare of the children. It's not their fault their mother and father aren't responsible; and if they don't receive some assistance the taxpayers will end up footing the bill for prison or hospitalization or putting the kids up in homeless shelters when they grow up. Ultimately it will cost less to provide public assistance to this mother than it will cost to provide for 7 wards of the state who have no health insurance and little prospect of becoming a producting citizen.
Unfortunately some will view this as their meal ticket, and deliberately get pregnant in order to sponge off society. But it's just not fair to punish a child for their parent's actions, and it's also not right to simply take someone's child because they are poor and have bad judgment.
wow, this is why teaching abstinence doesn't always work.
i do feel sad for the girl and her family, but at the same time, after the first one, she should know better.
i do feel sad for the girl and her family, but at the same time, after the first one, she should know better.
Argentina = ±93% Catholic = no contraception Hell Fire and eternal damnation.
Yes go figure
ummmm. So does sex before marraige
Wow, did this thread make me angry!!!
Warning: After reading this, you will think I'm a heartless bitch. I don't care.
Sorry. I disagree. I absolutely think the children should be subject to abject poverty to avoid rewarding this stupid slut. She will probably not teach these kids right from wrong (because obviously *she* doesn't know), so they're going to grow up to be poor or in prison, anyway - so might as well let them have that life from the beginning. Really, children need to learn at a young age that if you want to eat, you better get off your lazy, free-loading arse and get a friggin' job! They also need to learn that if you're a stupid slut, abject poverty is all you and your bastard children deserve.
Seriously, if I don't work, I starve to death. Boo hoo. If I don't have a job, I *deserve* to starve to death. *All* lazy people deserve to die. So what? Anyone who pities the lazy or the slutty is a moron! The *only* acceptable solution to all these stupid sluts around the world is to take their children away and sterilize them. There is no other choice that is fair to people who deserve to live (you know, those of us with *jobs* who pay taxes!)! Oh, yeah, her parents should be jailed (for life) and have any other children they have taken away for not teaching her right from wrong and for not keeping her slutty arse in line. I mean really, does no one understand what parenting means, anymore?
I am *so* sick and tired of people on welfare. They all need to die! I work my butt off, and these losers get to stay home all day making bastard babies? They're all a waste of oxygen, and their children will never be any better. Give the bastard babies to people who deserve to have children, and kill the lazy mother f'ers on welfare. That would end a *lot* of the problems in the world. Why should we feel sorry for, or be willing to help people who can't take responsibility for their own actions? It's *their* problem, not ours!
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but life isn't fair, and it *shouldn't* be. What's the point of doing the right thing or being responsible if we're going to allow people to take the easy way out in life? Survival of the fittest. I'm not a communist. I should not be forced to share the fruits of my labor with anyone. For there to be affluent people, there must be poor people, and we have the power to choose which group we're in by how hard we're willing to work. Work or die. If you can't afford babies, keep your slutty legs closed! The end.
Now, who can tell I have PMS right now? I told you that you would think I'm a heartless bitch, and I still don't care.
And what's up with the references to Catholicism denouncing birth control (leads to hell fire and damnation...)? If you're really Catholic, surely you would remember the nuns pounding it into your heads that being a slut gets you the same punishment, so really, that is no excuse for all the bastard babies!
Warning: After reading this, you will think I'm a heartless bitch. I don't care.
Sorry. I disagree. I absolutely think the children should be subject to abject poverty to avoid rewarding this stupid slut. She will probably not teach these kids right from wrong (because obviously *she* doesn't know), so they're going to grow up to be poor or in prison, anyway - so might as well let them have that life from the beginning. Really, children need to learn at a young age that if you want to eat, you better get off your lazy, free-loading arse and get a friggin' job! They also need to learn that if you're a stupid slut, abject poverty is all you and your bastard children deserve.
Seriously, if I don't work, I starve to death. Boo hoo. If I don't have a job, I *deserve* to starve to death. *All* lazy people deserve to die. So what? Anyone who pities the lazy or the slutty is a moron! The *only* acceptable solution to all these stupid sluts around the world is to take their children away and sterilize them. There is no other choice that is fair to people who deserve to live (you know, those of us with *jobs* who pay taxes!)! Oh, yeah, her parents should be jailed (for life) and have any other children they have taken away for not teaching her right from wrong and for not keeping her slutty arse in line. I mean really, does no one understand what parenting means, anymore?
I am *so* sick and tired of people on welfare. They all need to die! I work my butt off, and these losers get to stay home all day making bastard babies? They're all a waste of oxygen, and their children will never be any better. Give the bastard babies to people who deserve to have children, and kill the lazy mother f'ers on welfare. That would end a *lot* of the problems in the world. Why should we feel sorry for, or be willing to help people who can't take responsibility for their own actions? It's *their* problem, not ours!
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but life isn't fair, and it *shouldn't* be. What's the point of doing the right thing or being responsible if we're going to allow people to take the easy way out in life? Survival of the fittest. I'm not a communist. I should not be forced to share the fruits of my labor with anyone. For there to be affluent people, there must be poor people, and we have the power to choose which group we're in by how hard we're willing to work. Work or die. If you can't afford babies, keep your slutty legs closed! The end.
Now, who can tell I have PMS right now?
I told you that you would think I'm a heartless bitch, and I still don't care.And what's up with the references to Catholicism denouncing birth control (leads to hell fire and damnation...)? If you're really Catholic, surely you would remember the nuns pounding it into your heads that being a slut gets you the same punishment, so really, that is no excuse for all the bastard babies!
I'm from Argentina and this was discussed a lot on the news lately.
Yes, most of the country here is catholic, but really that has nothing to do with the lack of birth control. The church is not pressuring much in that sense here (there was a bit of a debate last year whether or not sex ed should be taught in schools, but that was that).
Bottom line, ignorance and poverty is what caused this. The girl and her mother have said she tried getting an operation done so she wouldn't have any more babies but was denied because she was underage.... but that seems dubious. Our government is quite possible one of the worst in the whole world (yes, I do hate them with all my heart) but I gotta say that if you have the will, you can get contraceptives for free, specially if you were in her situation.
It saddens me to see young girls like this one living on the street with a couple kids and pregnant. It is really taking us down as a society because in this case poverty and ignorance bring more poverty and ignorance. Where you had 1 poor girl that couldn't even go to school, you now have 8. That's sad, and politicians here take advantage of this by giving out money or clothing in the months previous to elections in exchange of votes (the joys of obligatory voting) and in the end you get what should be an unbelievably rich country reduced to ruins.
Sorry for the overly pessimistic rant. But this really ticks me off.
Yes, most of the country here is catholic, but really that has nothing to do with the lack of birth control. The church is not pressuring much in that sense here (there was a bit of a debate last year whether or not sex ed should be taught in schools, but that was that).
Bottom line, ignorance and poverty is what caused this. The girl and her mother have said she tried getting an operation done so she wouldn't have any more babies but was denied because she was underage.... but that seems dubious. Our government is quite possible one of the worst in the whole world (yes, I do hate them with all my heart) but I gotta say that if you have the will, you can get contraceptives for free, specially if you were in her situation.
It saddens me to see young girls like this one living on the street with a couple kids and pregnant. It is really taking us down as a society because in this case poverty and ignorance bring more poverty and ignorance. Where you had 1 poor girl that couldn't even go to school, you now have 8. That's sad, and politicians here take advantage of this by giving out money or clothing in the months previous to elections in exchange of votes (the joys of obligatory voting) and in the end you get what should be an unbelievably rich country reduced to ruins.
Sorry for the overly pessimistic rant. But this really ticks me off.
That's because they (the conservative south) send them off to Aunt Sally's in Kansas for 9 months, the come back home in time for their senior year in high school.
I completely agree taking children from their parents because the parents are poor is wrong, however the bad judgement thing is an entirely different story. Bad judgement whether it is unprotected sex or driving stupidly is still bad judgement. If I was given a choice of live with my biological parents and risk being killed by my parents bad judgement or live in a foster home, I personally would pick the foster home.
Ok, perhaps what I should have said was "it's not entirely the girl's fault."
From a biological point of view, it's not a fair balance. The guy has his few minutes of fun, and always gets off scot free, while the girl has a non-zero chance of getting pregnant. The way to counter the guy's lack of biological consequence is to make sure there are social consequences. Make the fathers responsible. The prospect of having to make child payments for the rest of your life would probably help a horny teenager avoid making a stupid mistake.
Contrast this with what goes on in the U.S. of A. There were two severely mentally handicapped teens in an institute. Our government would have to pay for their care for the rest of their lives. Once they discovered sex, they started popping out the babies and obviously could not care for any of them. All the doctors agreed that their children would all be severly retarded as well. These kids would also need the government to pay for their institutionalization for their entire lives which would run into the millions of dollars. The court ordered that the male be sterilized, but the ACLU stepped in and made sure that the retarded teens could breed at will on the public teat.
That to me is MUCH worse than the Argentinian case since these kids never had any hope of ever even leaving the institution due to the severity of their retardation.
If there's a religious reason for not using a condom, and you don't want to get preggers, then don't have sex. That's the only way.
If she chose to have sex, then it's the mother and father's financial problem. Should the kids suffer with her? I don't believe so. The children should receive support. Actually, the mother and father(s) should have this financial burden, not the government. If they don't have enough money to raise the children, then they should be punished by having the children taken from them, and the parents should be operated upon.
I realize that accidents do happen, and I don't mind my tax money going towards people who need help, whether they're in the situation because of poor luck, or poor decision-making. However, you can't have 3 accidents by the age of 16. It's no longer an accident. It's just plain ol' stupidity. That's when I become less understanding and generous.
Hmmmmm.....I just figured Wales would either send them to an area that they don't give about (Ireland), or to an area they have a lot in common with (sexy sheep everywhere).
Welfare? Maybe.
Being put up in a shelter? Ok.
Free education for the children? Sure.
A chunk of land and a free house? Whaaazat?
If she chose to have sex, then it's the mother and father's financial problem. Should the kids suffer with her? I don't believe so. The children should receive support. Actually, the mother and father(s) should have this financial burden, not the government. If they don't have enough money to raise the children, then they should be punished by having the children taken from them, and the parents should be operated upon.
I realize that accidents do happen, and I don't mind my tax money going towards people who need help, whether they're in the situation because of poor luck, or poor decision-making. However, you can't have 3 accidents by the age of 16. It's no longer an accident. It's just plain ol' stupidity.
That's when I become less understanding and generous.Hmmmmm.....I just figured Wales would either send them to an area that they don't give about (Ireland), or to an area they have a lot in common with (sexy sheep everywhere).
Welfare? Maybe.
Being put up in a shelter? Ok.
Free education for the children? Sure.
A chunk of land and a free house? Whaaazat?
Hello. Who makes the decisions? On what basis? I'm from a group of people that historically have been frequently sterilised or had their children taken away from them.
I'm deaf. Deaf as in I use sign language, not speech. Somehow that makes us unfit parents to a lot of people. In the US, deaf women were often sterilised without their consent. Alexander Graham Bell campaigned to make it illegal for deaf people to marry each other. (this and many other reasons is why he is seen as a genocidical figure in the deaf community.)
Forced sterilisation of deaf women also occurred famously under the Nazis, but also in some Scandinavian countries AFTER the war.
In the UK, deaf mothers often have their children taken away, either by social workers (less in recent years) or through family pressures, with the children being looked after by grandparents or other relatives.
I often meet deaf mothers who say they cannot communicate with their own children as the children were brought up by relatives and never learned sign language. To me that's just horrific and sick.
I know two lovely deaf teenagers, at university in the UK now, and I interviewed their mother, also deaf, who when she was pregnant, was told by the chief doctor to have an abortion and strongly consider sterilisation as there was a high chance of her babies being deaf. Fortunately she refused.
So please be careful when you start on the slope to forced sterilisation and taking kids away from mothers.
Back to the point of the OP. The answer to teenage pregnancy is of course, as has been shown time and time again, education and valid jobs for women. There's a direct correspondence between female education and number of babies. Local role models, seeing local women in well paid respected careers helps too.
The alternative is teenage girls only seeing adult local women as either babymothers or floor sweepers or prostitutes. Out of all that, the most highly respected role is as mother. So pregnancy it is, as the logical best route.
Aye Curumba!!! You would of thought she'd have learnt the first, oh and second time but Nooo! So must be a career move. Her boyfriend definitely didn't have the "every hole is a goal" attitude! lol.
You would of thought she'd have learnt the first, oh and second time but Nooo! So must be a career move. Her boyfriend definitely didn't have the "every hole is a goal" attitude! lol.this is simply not true it falls into the urban legend category with welfare queens driving Cadillacs while buying their booze and cigarettes with food stamps.
There are caps on welfare in the US, the most appropriate to this post being that there is a lifetime limitation to how long you can be on the dole. Add to that the fact that the limited incremental for more dependents is capped and small, it jus doesn't stand up to reason.
The problem with welfare in the US was never that there were men out there "forcing" their wives and girlfriends to have more kids. The problem was that the men just disappeared and left the women with kids and that the system fostered a culture of dependency. That was removed with welfare reform more than a decade ago. Not necessarily the problem of absent dads, but the lifetime dependency. For some people this created real problems, but for most it was an incentive to make a better life and not rely on a government handout. The welfare system in the US isn't perfect, but it is much more of a system to help people through tough times now than a lifetime commitment of support.
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