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Warning: After reading this, you will think I'm a heartless bitch. I don't care.

Sorry. I disagree. I absolutely think the children should be subject to abject poverty to avoid rewarding this stupid slut.

Very interesting post. I agree with you 99%. The only problem I have is that leaving the children in poverty is only going to breed crime for that area. And as history dictates, crime ridden areas not only bring down the property value for the surrounding area, but also sends the criminals towards the rich and snobbish areas to find crimes to commit.

A thief can't rob from the poor.
 
A thief can't rob from the poor.

On the contrary, the poor are most often the victims of crime (all types of crime).

Back to the article though, I disagree with the government helping the family out at this stage. Clearly this teenager is not of sound mind and judgement to be a mother. Take the kids (all 7) and have them raised by responsible adults (they can be uncles, aunts, etc in her own family).

Also, she needs to be sterilized. 7 kids is more than enough for one lifetime I think.
 
On the contrary, the poor are most often the victims of crime (all types of crime).

Back to the article though, I disagree with the government helping the family out at this stage. Clearly this teenager is not of sound mind and judgement to be a mother. Take the kids (all 7) and have them raised by responsible adults (they can be uncles, aunts, etc in her own family).

Also, she needs to be sterilized. 7 kids is more than enough for one lifetime I think.

Touche.... I found the statistics and you are correct.

As for the 7 kids thing, my Great Great Grandmother had 23 children, none of them twins. I am sure that there is someone that knows somebody that has had more.
 
As for the 7 kids thing, my Great Great Grandmother had 23 children, none of them twins. I am sure that there is someone that knows somebody that has had more.

But your great great grandmother raised her children how many years ago? What was the life expectancy?

I hardly think this slut from Argentina had the same concerns as your great great grandmother.
 
But your great great grandmother raised her children how many years ago? What was the life expectancy?

I hardly think this slut from Argentina had the same concerns as your great great grandmother.

Oh no, I just wanted to mention that when you said 7 was a lot. I wasn't trying to prove a point.
 
Oh no, I just wanted to mention that when you said 7 was a lot. I wasn't trying to prove a point.

Well I think of 7 as a lot for the modern day (and Argentina is a fairly well developed nation; pretty high HDI and life expectancy) so that's the tilt I'm looking at it from.

A 100 years ago 7 wasn't that large (neither was 12 or 15 for that matter) so that's why I was using that as a gauge.
 
16 years old. 1 son + 2 x sets of triplets = 7 kids at 16!
Hard to comprehend in this day and age.

It is hardly her fault she had 2 lots of triplets though is it?
OK. So even if she didn't get multiples — that would still leave her with 3 children at age 16…
That is still crazy.
Exactly.

wow, this is why teaching abstinence doesn't always work.
Condoms and other birth control devices don't work all of the time either.

Warning: After reading this, you will think I'm a heartless bitch. I don't care.
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You make some very good points.
 
Sounds like the solution wasn't sterilization or government welfare, but abortion. Alas, it's too late. I wish her and her kids all the best.
 
Warning: After reading this, you will think I'm a heartless bitch. I don't care.

Heartless or just plain stupid? We have advanced to a state of civilisation where we are happy to support those less fortunate than ourselves. Your circumstances could change at any time and in that instance you would be very grateful for the support that you would receive. These children don't deserve to suffer or die and they will do better with their mother than they would in care. If you're unable to appreciate this you really need to pay more attention to the world around you.
 
Warning: After reading this, you will think I'm a heartless bitch. I don't care.
You're right, I do.

Sorry. I disagree. I absolutely think the children should be subject to abject poverty to avoid rewarding this stupid slut. She will probably not teach these kids right from wrong (because obviously *she* doesn't know), so they're going to grow up to be poor or in prison, anyway - so might as well let them have that life from the beginning. Really, children need to learn at a young age that if you want to eat, you better get off your lazy, free-loading arse and get a friggin' job! They also need to learn that if you're a stupid slut, abject poverty is all you and your bastard children deserve.
Name calling isn't a form of argument.

Seriously, if I don't work, I starve to death.
No you don't. You'd be on welfare. Or would you voluntarily starve yourself to death rather than accept the help?
Boo hoo. If I don't have a job, I *deserve* to starve to death.
Do stay-at-home moms deserve to starve to death? Define "having a job".
*All* lazy people deserve to die. So what? Anyone who pities the lazy or the slutty is a moron! The *only* acceptable solution to all these stupid sluts around the world is to take their children away and sterilize them. There is no other choice that is fair to people who deserve to live (you know, those of us with *jobs* who pay taxes!)! Oh, yeah, her parents should be jailed (for life) and have any other children they have taken away for not teaching her right from wrong and for not keeping her slutty arse in line. I mean really, does no one understand what parenting means, anymore?
Because only stupid sluts get pregnant at a young age, right? Color me a moron then. I've seen girls pressured to have sex before. I've seen people you would call lazy who have crippling disabilities. Yet you think all those people should be killed?

I am *so* sick and tired of people on welfare. They all need to die! I work my butt off, and these losers get to stay home all day making bastard babies? They're all a waste of oxygen, and their children will never be any better. Give the bastard babies to people who deserve to have children, and kill the lazy mother f'ers on welfare. That would end a *lot* of the problems in the world. Why should we feel sorry for, or be willing to help people who can't take responsibility for their own actions? It's *their* problem, not ours!
How would you propose to kill them? Lethal injection? Or would you be willing to use the knife on a pregnant 13 year old yourself? Should we do these executions publicly, the better to spread the word of fear among the potential "stupid sluts" out there? And what punishment, if any, would you advocate for the father? Does he get killed too?

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but life isn't fair, and it *shouldn't* be. What's the point of doing the right thing or being responsible if we're going to allow people to take the easy way out in life? Survival of the fittest. I'm not a communist. I should not be forced to share the fruits of my labor with anyone. For there to be affluent people, there must be poor people, and we have the power to choose which group we're in by how hard we're willing to work. Work or die. If you can't afford babies, keep your slutty legs closed! The end.
The point of doing the right thing or being responsible is to be better off than those who do not. Just because I advocate helping people for the sake of staving off higher future costs doesn't mean I want to provide golden palaces or a lifetime of indolence for anyone. Their life should be harder than yours or mine. But harder doesn't mean dead, and it doesn't mean they should have nothing and live in the streets.

I also note that, in classic Libertarian fashion, you have neglected to include the costs of doing what you propose in your analysis. What does it cost to keep someone on welfare? $1,000 a month? It costs twice that to keep them in prison. It costs the business community untold dollars when the homeless camp out in front of their shops and panhandle. It costs the health care system untold dollars when someone without insurance goes to the emergency room for something that could have been handled easily and cheaply prior to their ER visit.

You advocate an extremely black and white view of the world; yet the world often comes in shades of grey.

Now, who can tell I have PMS right now? :rolleyes: I told you that you would think I'm a heartless bitch, and I still don't care.

And what's up with the references to Catholicism denouncing birth control (leads to hell fire and damnation...)? If you're really Catholic, surely you would remember the nuns pounding it into your heads that being a slut gets you the same punishment, so really, that is no excuse for all the bastard babies!
Yeah, you'd think telling people not to do something would be a guarantee that they wouldn't do it -- in a black-and-white world anyway. Funny though, the real world doesn't work the way Ayn Rand said it would.

I completely agree taking children from their parents because the parents are poor is wrong, however the bad judgement thing is an entirely different story. Bad judgement whether it is unprotected sex or driving stupidly is still bad judgement. If I was given a choice of live with my biological parents and risk being killed by my parents bad judgement or live in a foster home, I personally would pick the foster home.
And what would you pick if you were given that choice at 2 hours of age?

But your great great grandmother raised her children how many years ago? What was the life expectancy?

I hardly think this slut from Argentina had the same concerns as your great great grandmother.
Again, what's with the namecalling? Is a girl a slut if she has sex with three different men? And is there any proof that she has done so? I didn't see any in the referenced article. Perhaps you have some information the BBC doesn't? They mention her "alleged promiscuity". Is that proof?

The level of mysogeny in this thread is disturbing.
 
The level of mysogeny in this thread is disturbing.

Only when the women act as stupid at this teen mom.

She has 7 kids at age 16 !
She has very little future prospects.
She expects the state to provide her and her brood with all they need.

This girl is not a slut or whore - they are at least honest about what they do.
she is just a stupid teen mom, who should not spawn anymore dead end children and stop being a parasite to society by leeching from the taxpayers.
I am not against welfare or social programs but this is plain irresponsible and stupid.

Where are the father(s) here?
 
Personally, I would take her kids and sterilize her, problem solved. But then everyone would scream Nazi.

Um.............. ya think?

While I think its stupid for people to rewarded for making stupid decisions, sterilizing people against their will is barbaric. There should be a balance between people who deserve welfare (mentally/physically handicapped or people who have suffered trauma), and people who abuse it just to be lazy.

I think a middle of the road solution would be to take the kids away if she has no father to either get a job or take care of the kids. In this case its called child protection. The second part of this is sex education, and social education (nobody gets a free ride for being stupid/lazy).
 
who?

Ok, perhaps what I should have said was "it's not entirely the girl's fault."

From a biological point of view, it's not a fair balance. The guy has his few minutes of fun, and always gets off scot free, while the girl has a non-zero chance of getting pregnant. The way to counter the guy's lack of biological consequence is to make sure there are social consequences. Make the fathers responsible. The prospect of having to make child payments for the rest of your life would probably help a horny teenager avoid making a stupid mistake.

all the while.. you sure that slut can even identify the father?

I'm not saying that girls deserve such a disadvantage, just that a person is the only one who can be responsible for him/her self.

Even if you disagree with this point, it is still true that the slut involved in this discussion (getting pregnant just for welfare) may have even told the guy that he doesn't have to take any responsibility. The reason why I say this is that, legally, the biological father does have social responsibility once the child can be identified to be his. If I were the guy, I'd make sure that I preserve my future (education, career and etc.) Therefore, it is definitely a must to make sure that the slut doesn't just ask for sperm and then turn around on the guy to have him share the consequences of her stupidity.

again... people must WATCH OUT FOR THEMSELVES!!!!! Sure it might be very unfair to her, but she deserves for letting it happen to her. Note that she WASN'T raped.

btw... the guy might contract STD and end up pretty miserable too. Maybe the guy already has a few. Generally, though, people of that level of stupidity must be taught a lesson. If they can't see it coming, then let it hit them. Again and again until they figure it out.

This brings me to agree with many people here. STERILIZE her if she gets pregnant again. (kinda hard to find the right guy to sterilize, and even then, sterilizing a guy without causing sever physical side-effects is TOUGH, but its very easy with the girl.)

I apologize if I offended any decent or responsible women out there, but be confident that the guys who get this kind of sluts pregnant will also have consequences, even if its not in the form of child-support. (if that makes you feel better) Nature is fair in its "unfairness".
 
I think this thread has reached a point where further discussion is counter-productive and potentially offensive. Thread closed.
 
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