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Spot on. A gimmick.
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It was a rhetorical question. Did you think about that? I thought not.

Oh, I see what you’ve done there.
A bit like magic.
By the way, I still think True Tone is a great innovation.
Great thing you can actually switch it off. No need to complain about it.
 

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Why? The old yellow lighting was from the days of cave men and women sitting around the campfire. Surely we have progressed since then. In fact, we have daylight LED lighting throughout our house and it just seems less gloomy.
It's kind of easy to explain: 99% of the general public is still buying regular light bulbs (aka the cheapest they can get).
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This one does. ;)
Yes, and that's the maxed out version that the common man won't be purchasing. I could go configure a maxed out Dell laptop that exceeds $,5000 right now but that's not the point.
 
My suggestion is to put the light sensor in the apple logo on the laptop screen. That way when the lid is closed, it'll still function. I'm sure you can put some kind of sensor in there that will read through the logo without revealing the sensor.
 
My suggestion is to put the light sensor in the apple logo on the laptop screen. That way when the lid is closed, it'll still function. I'm sure you can put some kind of sensor in there that will read through the logo without revealing the sensor.
The logo is not transparent though...the reason it can be hidden behind the display panel now is that glass is a transparent material.
 
Why cover the camera??
Because all of a sudden every other person is afraid they are being spied on, after years upon years of having their cameras uncovered.

Yeah Cindy, you feeding your cat Whiskers is so interesting...

This might make some sense in a corporate laptop where a whole team of IT staff are delegated to manage a fleet of computer equipment with remote access and the boss might be curious how you dress when you go back home and have to reply to those pesky e-mails.

Otherwise I see no point in sticking Post-Its on an otherwise fragile anti glare coated screen - we all know the road the coating went for some people in the Retinas of old - just a touch of microfiber cloth and POOF. At least that's what happened to my MBP twice.
 
Why? The old yellow lighting was from the days of cave men and women sitting around the campfire. Surely we have progressed since then. In fact, we have daylight LED lighting throughout our house and it just seems less gloomy.

Now I know this is another not politically correct position, but just the same this seems like more make it and they will rejoice than some pent up need for society. I'm sure there are studies that prove the concept, but as most studies these days the results were probably just bought and paid for, not necessarily real science.

Of course, I am not talking about the problems of looking directly at the sun, because displays are not that bright and anyway this just changes the color. I don't see how color can make that much difference. For me, the white version looks so much better. I want to see real colors, not what my great great grandmother saw reading a book in front of the fireplace.

If you disagree, then tell me about your eyestrain from being exposed to the full color spectrum. No wait, we as humans went for millennia without even having sun glasses, but now all of a sudden in the last 30 years it has become a problem.

Summary, just another gimmick.

We went for millenia without penicillin too. Care to return to those days?
 
I love True Tone on my iPhone 8+ and I'd like to have it on the Mac. It isn't a compelling reason to upgrade from my 2016 model, but I'm glad to know is there so I'll have in on my next Mac.
 
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Beautifully put.

Now where's my 64GB RAM in the laptop! I've got real work to do, dammit! *slams table*

Real work! Pro work! Work that these Fisher Price machines can't handle! I'm losing so much time and money, so I'll just complain on every thread here!
Finally, somebody told the truth.. apple products are equivalent of Fisher Price machines.. /s
 
I have color-calibrated all my displays to ensure color accuracy for post-processing images and for me, True Tone is a completely useless feature.

Does it really reduce eye strain, turning down the brightness I can see, but how does a tint have an impact?

I also remember reading that there is no scientific consensus that reducing the blue spectrum at night (Night Shift) actually helps.
 
So this had to be an article? Pretty clear, to me at least, that there are no sensors on the outside of the laptop
 
Sorry, but I don’t think you have understood what True Tone does and why.
If you look at a white sheet of paper, the temperature of the white will change depending on the ambient light. THIS is the natural way that we have experienced “for millennia” (as you put it).
True Tone simply replicates this entirely natural experience.

No I understand completely. I do not want to see the warm white hues when in a warm white lighted room. I want to see the real colors, not some made up color that makes me think I am sitting by a fire.
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We went for millenia without penicillin too. Care to return to those days?

People get prescribed penicillin every day for ailments they don't have. Because of overuse, it is likely that penicillin will NOT help you these days. Anyway I am allergic to penicillin, so yeah, I am already living "those days".

So you made my point. More of trying to fix something that ain't broke.
 
No I understand completely. I do not want to see the warm white hues when in a warm white lighted room. I want to see the real colors, not some made up color that makes me think I am sitting by a fire.
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People get prescribed penicillin every day for ailments they don't have. Because of overuse, it is likely that penicillin will NOT help you these days. Anyway I am allergic to penicillin, so yeah, I am already living "those days".

So you made my point. More of trying to fix something that ain't broke.

That's an absurd bad faith argument. You being allergic to penicillin and penicillin losing effectiveness is neither here nor there.

If you disagree, then tell me about your eyestrain from being exposed to the full color spectrum. No wait, we as humans went for millennia without even having sun glasses, but now all of a sudden in the last 30 years it has become a problem.

The argument we should ignore quality of life improvements because we survived millennia without them is a poor one. In that case, feel free to leave your house and live in a cave. We survived millennia that way - you should be fine.
 



Following in the footsteps of the latest iPhone and iPad Pro models, the new MacBook Pro features True Tone technology.

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True Tone automatically adjusts the white balance of the MacBook Pro display to match the color temperature of the light around you, which, as Apple says, provides a more natural viewing experience. The feature is similar to Night Shift, but more dynamic, continuously adapting to the surrounding environment.

If you are standing in a dimly lit room with incandescent light bulbs, for example, the display would appear warmer and yellower. If you are standing outside on a cloudy day, the display would appear cooler and bluer.

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True Tone on iPad Pro

We've received many questions about how True Tone is enabled on the new MacBook Pro, and we've sought out some answers from Apple.

Apple says the new MacBook Pro has a multi-channel ambient light sensor, next to the FaceTime HD camera, that can assess brightness as well as color temperature, adding that the display should be open to enable that functionality. Apple added that True Tone does not use the FaceTime HD camera for its operation.

Apple says the ambient light sensor in previous-generation MacBook Pro models can only assess brightness, suggesting that True Tone is not a feature that can be enabled on older machines through a future software update.

The information also suggests that True Tone will only work on the LG UltraFine 4K, LG UltraFine 5K, and Thunderbolt Display when the display on a connected MacBook Pro is open, rather than in closed-display aka clamshell mode. Apple did not directly confirm this, though, so we'll be testing to see.

True Tone can help reduce eye strain, so it's a feature worth considering if you purchase the new MacBook Pro. It can be enabled or disabled in System Preferences under Displays, alongside options for Night Shift and auto-brightness.

True Tone can also be enabled on the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone X, 9.7-inch and 10.5-inch iPad Pro, and the 2017 model 12.9-inch iPad Pro.

Eric Slivka contributed to this report.

Article Link: True Tone on New MacBook Pro Relies on Multi-Channel Ambient Light Sensor With Display Open to Work

That True Tone on iPad Pro is so high tech it true tones the environment around the iPad.
 
We truly live in 2018 if a laptop manufacturer needs to specify that, a display ambient sensor feature, which affects a display in the same device, needs said display to not be closed, turned off and covered by a metal body.
 
Why? The old yellow lighting was from the days of cave men and women sitting around the campfire. Surely we have progressed since then. In fact, we have daylight LED lighting throughout our house and it just seems less gloomy.
Before I installed f.lux on my iMac back in 2015, I was staying up until 4:30 AM or later—very late, even for me as a night owl—because the blue light entering my eyes from the 27” display disturbed my brain and impacted its production of melatonin.

Same thing happened when I tried this “daylight” lighting in my bedroom. Blue light impacts some more than others, but research shows that blue light impacts circadian rhythm and can contribute to digital eyestrain. It also impacts different people in different ways—it doesn’t cause more or less eyestrain for me, but it does severely impact my ability to fall asleep at a humane time.

Now I know this is another not politically correct position, but just the same this seems like more make it and they will rejoice than some pent up need for society. I'm sure there are studies that prove the concept, but as most studies these days the results were probably just bought and paid for, not necessarily real science.
Wow, such innovative and bleeding-edge thought. Can you prove “most studies” having their results bought and paid for? Or are those paid-off studies just the ones that disagree with your preconceived notions?

Of course, I am not talking about the problems of looking directly at the sun, because displays are not that bright and anyway this just changes the color. I don't see how color can make that much difference. For me, the white version looks so much better. I want to see real colors, not what my great great grandmother saw reading a book in front of the fireplace.
True Tone doesn’t make everything look like it’s a sheet of paper in front of a fireplace. It matches the display’s white point with the ambient lighting in the room. If your lighting truly is “daylight LED,” you should see very little difference compared to what you see with True Tone off. Why? Apple’s displays, by default, are usually set to be a bit bluer than sunlight.

If you disagree, then tell me about your eyestrain from being exposed to the full color spectrum. No wait, we as humans went for millennia without even having sun glasses, but now all of a sudden in the last 30 years it has become a problem.
True Tone is not meant to resolve eyestrain; it matches the display’s white point with that of the ambient lighting conditions. If that matching makes the display less blue, well, it probably will lead to markedly less digital eyestrain among those who are affected by it because blue light can contribute to digital eyestrain.

The issue isn’t even exposure to all blue light, and to suggest otherwise you have to choose to be intentionally obtuse. Some blue light during the daytime is an objectively good thing. The reason Apple has introduced two features in this vein in the past few years is because the issue is too much blue light, specifically at hours when we shouldn’t be exposed to it much or at all. While humans went millennia without sunglasses, they also went millennia with numerous ways to limit direct exposure to blue light. It’s the novel concept of sitting under a shade tree. Same goes for looking away from a screen for a few minutes.

As I alluded to above, we know from those paid-off studies—and simple logic—that the brain uses dwindling blue light as a cue for when it needs to begin production of melatonin to make you sleepy. In other words, the reasons why blue light is good during the day are the exact same reasons why it’s bad during nighttime. The easiest solution to that is to use f.lux or Night Shift as the Sun sets, but True Tone certainly helps by making the display no bluer than it needs to be in order to reflect the white point of the room.

Summary, just another gimmick.
Thanks for your opinion, but do keep in mind that it’s just an opinion.
 
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No I understand completely. I do not want to see the warm white hues when in a warm white lighted room. I want to see the real colors, not some made up color that makes me think I am sitting by a fire.

OK you might understand, but what you see is not what the system is designed for, and it is certainly not what I see.
The color white, whether on a sheet of paper or on a True Tone screen, will appear white under any lighting condition.
The only circumstance one will perceive it as warm, or yellow, is if directly compared with a “cold” light source, such as by enabling and disabling True Tone , just to see the difference.

Anyway, today’s I have learned that you don’t like True Tone, and that is absolutely fine with me.
Personally I am glad it exists as it has improved my experience.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
 
True Tone is magic! In the pictures of the 2 iPads, it not only changed the tone of the content, but also the bezel. Wow, I'd pay to see that happen. Great party entertainment!
 
Is True Tone important to people?

To people who are doing photo/video/other-color-sensitive work - it is despised.

To people doing mostly text-entry or reading plain text, it is wonderful. I love typing on full-screen, text-only apps on my iPad, and having True Tone makes it feel more "natural."

But when editing photos/video? If I forget to turn it off, I have a major "WTF?"
 
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