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True Tone is magic! In the pictures of the 2 iPads, it not only changed the tone of the content, but also the bezel. Wow, I'd pay to see that happen. Great party entertainment!

It happens every time the ambient light changes. Your color perception changes accordingly. But you won’t realise it has and in all cases you will see white as white. That is the whole point. Just ask a (professional) photographer friend to demonstrate it to you. You don’t have to take my word for it.
 
My guess is that when Apple debuts the new Mac Pro, and Mac Pro monitors, the sensor will be built into the monitor, so it will work in clamshell mode eventually.
 
The argument we should ignore quality of life improvements because we survived millennia without them is a poor one. In that case, feel free to leave your house and live in a cave. We survived millennia that way - you should be fine.

To me the quality of life is reducing if I have to look at everything in a yellow haze, because it is politically correct.
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OK you might understand, but what you see is not what the system is designed for, and it is certainly not what I see.
The color white, whether on a sheet of paper or on a True Tone screen, will appear white under any lighting condition.
The only circumstance one will perceive it as warm, or yellow, is if directly compared with a “cold” light source, such as by enabling and disabling True Tone , just to see the difference.

Anyway, today’s I have learned that you don’t like True Tone, and that is absolutely fine with me.
Personally I am glad it exists as it has improved my experience.
Enjoy the rest of your day.

I will, and unlike most True Tone lovers, I know how to get a good nights sleep or work through the night whichever is needed. I don't need excuses or software to get it done. I'm glad it works for you, such that your problems are over with. Enjoy your better life.
 
It's a feature, not a bug :D I never like the feature anyway, as i always get detracted by the 'difference'

It reminds me of the same as "one must hear relaxation music to send them to sleep'

(i guess that could work better for just about anyone)
 
When Apple has a feature in a laptop, it's unimportant and only for coffee-shop sitting by effete hipsters.
When Apple doesn't have a feature in a laptop it's critical to real work by real professionals.

Truer words have never been said...I mean, they have, but this is still spot on for Macrumors forum.
 
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Because it's politically correct? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

Today I learned "political correctness" is a synonym for science. smh

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/q-a-why-is-blue-light-before-bedtime-bad-for-sleep/

Maybe the word "fad" is better than "politically correct", although today they mean about the same. A lot of science these days is "political correctness" to get funding. All you have to do is look at the high level of fraud in the global warming science. Not saying there is nothing to global warming, just that there was a lot of fraud to get funding, recognition, and to make political points.

Now to your story. Think a little about the science as explained in the article, it says that daylight effects melatonin, in laboratory conditions. It does not at all explain what other triggers effect melatonin and it does not explain what other body functions light effects. So how do we know there is a net effect? We don't, but it gets even worse, see below.

One of the actual research papers by one of the authors listed in the article is at:


From the study:

"The lack of a consistent and adequate method of quantifying light makes it challenging to replicate experimental conditions or to compare across studies." This means its still just research, not scientifically proven.​

Oh and then there is this from the study.

"There are limitations to the data presented here. First, each study employed young adults. Results from studies with older adults would differ significantly due to age- related differences such as ocular media transmission [61,62]. Second, although each fluence-response curve was developed with a complete within-subjects study design, three separate cohorts of subjects were studied. An ideal comparison of the potency across three lamplights would have employed the same subjects for all three curves. That is logistically challenging, however, due to subject compliance and drop out. No published human neuroendocrine studies yet have provided three full-range fluence- response curves within a single subject cohort. Finally, the light exposure technique involved constant 90 min full retinal field exposures. Such exposures are optimum for comparing the potency of the three types of lamplight. When used in daily applications such as the home, workplace or spaceflight environments, exposure conditions rarely would be full retinal field or continuous. Studies in a variety of architecturally illuminated spaces are needed to define the optimum illuminances and irradiances that support vision as well as the biological and behavioral efficacy of built-in lighting."​

Maybe, if you have melatonin problems already, this might have some benefit, but it just was as well could be a placebo effect for normal humans, living normal lives, in normal lighting conditions, on earth.

The Scientific American article is an extrapolation of their research, not scientifically proven effects on late night computer users. The Scientific American article is about getting funding, not presenting science, because its not science when it cannot be replicated and compared across studies.
 
I mean that's obvious, the sensors is on the keyboard or inside of the screen. Apple didn't want to blemish a 10 year old design by having an ugly hole sensor mounted on the outside of lid or add an extra hole on the side of the case, Jony might have had some real work to do then.
 
Maybe the word "fad" is better than "politically correct", although today they mean about the same. A lot of science these days is "political correctness" to get funding. All you have to do is look at the high level of fraud in the global warming science. Not saying there is nothing to global warming, just that there was a lot of fraud to get funding, recognition, and to make political points.

Now to your story. Think a little about the science as explained in the article, it says that daylight effects melatonin, in laboratory conditions. It does not at all explain what other triggers effect melatonin and it does not explain what other body functions light effects. So how do we know there is a net effect? We don't, but it gets even worse, see below.

One of the actual research papers by one of the authors listed in the article is at:


From the study:

"The lack of a consistent and adequate method of quantifying light makes it challenging to replicate experimental conditions or to compare across studies." This means its still just research, not scientifically proven.​

Oh and then there is this from the study.

"There are limitations to the data presented here. First, each study employed young adults. Results from studies with older adults would differ significantly due to age- related differences such as ocular media transmission [61,62]. Second, although each fluence-response curve was developed with a complete within-subjects study design, three separate cohorts of subjects were studied. An ideal comparison of the potency across three lamplights would have employed the same subjects for all three curves. That is logistically challenging, however, due to subject compliance and drop out. No published human neuroendocrine studies yet have provided three full-range fluence- response curves within a single subject cohort. Finally, the light exposure technique involved constant 90 min full retinal field exposures. Such exposures are optimum for comparing the potency of the three types of lamplight. When used in daily applications such as the home, workplace or spaceflight environments, exposure conditions rarely would be full retinal field or continuous. Studies in a variety of architecturally illuminated spaces are needed to define the optimum illuminances and irradiances that support vision as well as the biological and behavioral efficacy of built-in lighting."​

Maybe, if you have melatonin problems already, this might have some benefit, but it just was as well could be a placebo effect for normal humans, living normal lives, in normal lighting conditions, on earth.

The Scientific American article is an extrapolation of their research, not scientifically proven effects on late night computer users. The Scientific American article is about getting funding, not presenting science, because its not science when it cannot be replicated and compared across studies.

And this is relevant to True Tone because...?
 
And this is relevant to True Tone because...?

The original poster presented the article in Scientific American as proof of the need for and benefits of True Tone. In just a few minutes of research I debunked the science behind True Tone completely, at least as it stands today. Now maybe I missed some research and if so, would happily look at it. But most scientific reporting in magazines like Scientific American are just marketing collateral to support funding by the authors. Not that I mind that, but saying its proven science is just not true, when its only an unproven theory.
 
It was actually my mistake. I had a brain fart and mentally replaced True Tone with Nightshift, which is what I think you're getting at.

Yes, that is what I am getting at. Thanks for owning up to the confusion.
Unfortunately some don’t seem to appreciate the difference.
 
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