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Trump Believes Apple Could Manufacture iPhones in the U.S.
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As if we needed any more proof of that.
And we'd be a much smaller economy with more debt and less innovation. Unions aren't the answer to any question or problem. Globalization has been inevitable for over 125 years and any effort to stop it is as futile as trying to stop time itself. The expansion of trade and the free market has increased the global standard of living beyond anything before it. Clinton was a savvy and intelligent Democrat and that party would be wise to adopt more of his positions and less of AOC, Bernie, and the Squads.
…just like the „Unions“ that would (according to posts in this thread) extort Apple and are the main reasons why jobs have been offshored and iPhones can‘t be built in the U.S.
You can't blame that all on Trump, the allure of the 'American dream' (for Europeans, at least) is in steady decline for 15-20 years now, and was greatly accelerated in this decade.
A few of Trump's puppets might complain, but the kind of regime Trump wants is what we see in Putin's Russia, where his oligarch puppets do what he says, regardless of its impact on them or anyone else. Or else.
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So did other carmakers in Detroit, Japan or Germany. A much higher degree of automation has been achieved in the automotive industry over the decades than is today possible for assembling small devices. Tesla employs about 120,000 people (and not all of them work in manufacturing), but more than ten times that many are required to produce 230 million iPhones per year. Maybe some day that will change, but in the meantime those tariffs will do nothing but strangle the economy.
The Tesla factory in Fremont had a reputation of being a horrible place to work. Musk treats his employs like 💩
Ford and GM (through their subsidiary Opel) were successful selling European-designed, European-made cars in Europe for a long time. But no amount of tariffs will make us buy the crap they sell in America.
As if what you pay for a home and a car haven’t already done that? But a couple hundred more for a phone is gonna really destroy your life in comparison? Get a grip on reality.
That is an indictment of the wild swings of Euro parties. They are both Socialists and they occupy the far-left of American politics. Let's not be pedantic. They literally CALL THEMSELVES Socialists man.
Yes, I fear planned economies that force the means of production and control things with the use of force by the state. As a libertarian, government forcing me to abide by the machinations of economic mandates is a bad thing. You do you though.
Nope, again with this attempt at trying to manipulate language. Racial, gender, or sexual preferences, let's use that just that for the sake of getting beyond these word games, is wrong, always will be wrong, and has nothing to do with "human rights". Ensure equality of opportunity, not equity, not preferences, not using discrimination to "fix" discrimination.
Justin Bieber fills stadiums too. By all means, keep racing leftwards, keep pitting people against each other, keep with the identity politics, keep not learning lessons. That stuff plays well in academia and in blue cities but it ain't winning you Ohio.
Few data points you might find interesting:
It is possible to (mostly) make a phone in the USA but not easy. Purism does it in low volumes with their Liberty Phone:
You'll notice it is somewhat lagging technology and they price the USA version ~ 2x the Made in China version.
The WSJ also did a parts breakdown of what goes into a modern phone like the iPhone. The parts were already sourced from across the world including the US. Here's the article but it's behind a paywall:
I suspect in a few years, TSMC will be able to make the latest Axx processors here (instead of Taiwan). RAM and storage is (or can) already be made here. The glass is made here but I suspect the displays will be tough -- the US lost that to South Korea and China so long ago it's unclear how long it would take the US to start making anything like the super-double WOLED++++ screens we've come to expect. Not sure about the camera assemblies. The rest of the things perhaps given a year or two...
But I suspect that constrained to a US-only supply chain, the cost of an iPhone will double and the technology will be somewhat lagging. But if you are content with running a basic phone for 8 years like I am then it may not be so bad.
It is possible to (mostly) make a phone in the USA but not easy. Purism does it in low volumes with their Liberty Phone:
You'll notice it is somewhat lagging technology and they price the USA version ~ 2x the Made in China version.
The WSJ also did a parts breakdown of what goes into a modern phone like the iPhone. The parts were already sourced from across the world including the US. Here's the article but it's behind a paywall:
I suspect in a few years, TSMC will be able to make the latest Axx processors here (instead of Taiwan). RAM and storage is (or can) already be made here. The glass is made here but I suspect the displays will be tough -- the US lost that to South Korea and China so long ago it's unclear how long it would take the US to start making anything like the super-double WOLED++++ screens we've come to expect. Not sure about the camera assemblies. The rest of the things perhaps given a year or two...
But I suspect that constrained to a US-only supply chain, the cost of an iPhone will double and the technology will be somewhat lagging. But if you are content with running a basic phone for 8 years like I am then it may not be so bad.
Ok, lets just stop with the "not paying attention" stuff. I actually worked in politics for a Senator during the Clinton years, yes, I paid attention, it was my job and politics has continued to be more than just something I care about every four years, like most people. We might be on different sides but I assure you, I'm in the top 1% of people that "pay attention".
Yes, smartly, he embraced a pro-growth strategy during a time of incredible tech achievement and the Internet boom. He knew that growing government to a big bloated mess was costly and inefficient and that people needed to work, hence why he worked with Gingrich, when he could. He got things done and despite his personal issues, was a very solid President, on most issues.
No, he implemented POPULAR and smart programs like "Welfare to Work" and he was fiscally responsible.
Requiring a company to intentionally run itself with a poorer cost to revenue ratio just to employ more people sounds an awful lot like socialism
Few data points you might find interesting:
It is possible to (mostly) make a phone in the USA but not easy. Purism does it in low volumes with their Liberty Phone:
You'll notice it is somewhat lagging technology and they price the USA version ~ 2x the Made in China version.
The WSJ also did a parts breakdown of what goes into a modern phone like the iPhone. The parts were already sourced from across the world including the US. Here's the article but it's behind a paywall:
I suspect in a few years, TSMC will be able to make the latest Axx processors here (instead of Taiwan). RAM and storage is (or can) already be made here. The glass is made here but I suspect the displays will be tough -- the US lost that to South Korea and China so long ago it's unclear how long it would take the US to start making anything like the super-double WOLED++++ screens we've come to expect. Not sure about the camera assemblies. The rest of the things perhaps given a year or two...
But I suspect that constrained to a US-only supply chain, the cost of an iPhone will double and the technology will be somewhat lagging. But if you are content with running a basic phone for 8 years like I am then it may not be so bad.
I would suspect furthermore that if we assumed for the moment that you can actually force manufacturing to the US through tariffs, other countries will continue to reciprocate and so the potential market for that new US factory stays constrained to the US.
That may or may not be a problem, but will absolutely constrain volumes and thus keep costs higher.
Many European parties have "Socialist" in their name, but their politics have very little to do with "Socialism". You know, that one that most Americans automatically equate with "Communism". "Socialist ideas"* is much more of a spectrum than the governing form of "Socialism". (*Because there's also such a thing as "Democratic Socialism", and, if anything, that's what Bernie and AOC call for, you know the likes of universal health care and affordable education and appropriately taxing billionaires, because those are obviously horrible things)
Take that from someone who actually COMES from a former actual Socialist country.
But since you're someone who, according to your avatar, considers taxes as theft, you don't understand much of what it means to be part of a society, and any further discussions are moot.
He doesn't believe that, but he wants people to think he believes that. He and his enablers are up to something else.
exactly. So a higher cost to sell devices to a smaller market. Just bad business, but maybe great socialism.
Well, I suppose that's true for everyone and everything. So have a good run while you can.
Trump thinks he can win a land war in Asia