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Gotta love how in 2 years traditional liberals everywhere have gone 180 on all their biggest things.

I don't live in the US anymore.

Is it all just anger about Clinton losing election?

You've been gone only two years, or twelve years?

The anger in the USA is about Obama winning the Presidency.

The angry nation found a succor in D T Drumpf!
 
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The US economy is a globalist one that seeks open borders and free trade. The quicker you understand that, the better off you will be in this country.

Only if you’re in the top 10%.

We don't want Americans to perform manual labor that oxen can do. We only want engineers and scientists and artist - people that can create value with their minds.

You need to get out of your coastal MENSA bubble and hang out with the rest of America. Most of the population CANNOT just retrain in a few months to become web designers and other high-tech creatives. Even if the economy could support that many creatives, which it most certainly cannot. I know, because I'm one of those creatives, and wages have been stagnant for 20+ years now.

We need a range of jobs in this country. From the creative and complex, to the simple and mundane if ALL Americans are going to prosper. Ignoring the needs of the majority in favor of globalist utopian delusions is what made Trump possible in the first place. Don't like Trump? Then pay attention to the needs of the people who voted him in. He's not their first choice, he was just their only choice.
 
Seriously? The article says that the Canadian universal healthcare doesn’t cover cosmetic surgeries or dental care. Guess what? Overly expensive US health plans don’t cover either cosmetic or dental care either.

For dental care, Americans have to buy additional dental insurance. Canadians have to do the same - buy private dental insurance. How is the American system better again?

I’ve had to wait for a specialist appointment in the US with a private insurance for over six months too. It’s not unusual to have to wait for a specialist appointment for months in large US cities unless you want to see a “specialist” from a third-world country who practices here on the H1B visa.

When I couldn’t wait due to an acute unless and chose to see an Indian specialist in the US, his treatment almost killed me. I had to wait for an American specialist for months to get proper treatment.

I have a good friend who is a doctor practicing at a US hospital on the Canadian border (literally) in the Buffalo, NY area. He can see Canada out of his office window. The border crossing is less than a mile away. He told me there are fewer than a dozen Canadian patients in his hospital per year. So, Canadians flocking across the border to US hospitals is a myth.

Who said anything about cosmetic or dental? In Canada you supplement that just the same anyways with insurance. Aside from that it's not uncommon for Canadian hospitals to send you to the states for treatment because of the backlog of timely medical care, especially Buffalo where it's fantastically supporting Canadian cancer patients.
 
THAT IS funny as hell, how many riots did you see when Obama won?

Who is talking about riots - except the Nationalist Drumpf and his followers. They drove a car into a crowd - not some foreign terrorist, but a majority male American!

I am talking about the suburban and rural pale anger - starting with Mitch McConnell's day one promise when Obama won. It is still there, unless you never listen to the radio (talk) or see any Fox News excerpts!
 
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Or maybe he’s finally charging China tariffs they should be paying. Just like the rest of the world. You know, more money for our own economy?! He’s not hurting me or making me suffer in anyway. You’re just making that up.

Tell that to the thousands at GM who lost their jobs this week because of steel tariffs. More money, right?
 
Tell that to the thousands at GM who lost their jobs this week because of steel tariffs. More money, right?

You mean the coordinated lay-offs by GM to stop putting money into products that aren't selling so they can make more money by making stuff that will sell? Yes exactly, more money indeed.

"GM is expected to save $6 billion as a result of the restructuring."
 
Trump's steel tariffs is why GM just laid off everyone.

Congratulations Trump voters, you played yourself.

The US economy is a globalist one that seeks open borders and free trade. The quicker you understand that, the better off you will be in this country.

Apple is doing exactly that by designing products by brilliant engineers in Silicon Valley, while having them built by cheaper, lower educated people in China.

If a person in China can build something for cheaper than in America, LET THEM - that is economic efficiency. An efficient economy will always win over an corrupt, inefficient one. Americans should only do jobs that only Americans can do, like high-end services jobs. Our economy is based on massive higher-education - the best in the world. No other country has a university system like ours, and we should take advantage of that.

We don't want Americans to perform manual labor that oxen can do. We only want engineers and scientists and artist - people that can create value with their minds.

New York, Silicon Valley and Hollywood are good examples of the kind of economy the US should be going forward.

A good example of complete economic failure is Russia - their economy is entirely based on selling things they find on the ground. When was the last time anyone bought something designed/made in Russia?

You are full of dog pucky!

So many inaccuracies in your post, especially about the USA education system, which by the way, starts in K-12 schools, where STEM is suffering like nowhere else on the planet.

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No it's not. The reason for stock being down recently is poor sales due to greedy pricing structure.

You might like this to be true, but unfortunately, that doesn't make it so. Q4 revenue was actually up 20% year over year, and gross margins stayed about the same. So, try again.
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You are full of dog pucky!

So many inaccuracies in your post, especially about the USA education system, which by the way, starts in K-12 schools, where STEM is suffering like no where else on the planet.

Actually, everything he wrote was pretty spot-on. You're even talking like Trump, e.g., "no where [sic] else on the planet." Goodness.
 
Yea, no. Just stop with this nonsense. Canada spends less per capita on health care than the USA. With better results. They exceed the USA in almost every metric, including the two biggies, infant mortality and life expectancy.

Oh, and not a single Canadian who I know would trade their country's healthcare system for the USA's.



Mike

US Healthcare Sucks Balls, ask Bernie on that one
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The only active motivation behind Trump's policies is to placate his base - diehard Trump supporters. To do that, he promises them jobs in declining industries in coal and manufacturing, preaches that immigrants and foreign products should be punished with deportation, walls, and tariffs, and insults our allies in the name of American exceptionalism. That these policies sabotage our country is simply a side effect of this motivation.

How is Coal going?
 
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Trump's steel tariffs is why GM just laid off everyone.
Apple is doing exactly that by designing products by brilliant engineers in Silicon Valley, while having them built by cheaper, lower educated people in China.
We don't want Americans to perform manual labor that oxen can do. We only want engineers and scientists and artist - people that can create value with their minds.

There are soooooo many things wrong with this post lol ... WTF! I just can't, I can't even. I am hoping this is a class A troll. (troll alert!)
I always wonder why people call us Americans stupid and then see a post like this. :rolleyes:
 
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You guys were racist from day 1
M McConnell 2009 Our Single goal is to stop Obama from a second term and to obstruct everything

Pretty sure I have disliked McConnell for some time and voted for Obama in both elections. I'm not sure what's racist about wanted the Presidential election to be based on a popular vote.
 
You guys were racist from day 1
M McConnell 2009 Our Single goal is to stop Obama from a second term and to obstruct everything
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Low IQ Voters

Trump only won because of Clinton.
Bernie would have had 300+ EVs
Biden would have won the rust belt
Warren would have won
Clinton was flat out toxic
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Pretty sure I have disliked McConnell for some time and voted for Obama in both elections. I'm not sure what's racist about wanted the Presidential election to be based on a popular vote.
Not talking to you, sorry for double quoting you. I think that might be a good idea, but the GOP likes it because it is one of the few weapons they have left, besides voting obstruction
 
The iPhone can be assembled in robotic factories.

Give me a break! Kias are made in the US. BMWs are made in the US. Mercedes have been made in the US for about 25 years now - by robots. I visited the Mercedes plant in Tuscaloosa, AL exactly 20 years ago in 1998. It was a technological wonder. There were very few humans at the factory. Almost the entire assembly was done by precision robots; it was as though we were transported into the future. An amazing thing to witness with your own eyes, and it was 20 years ago. You don’t think robots can build iPhones in 2018?

Yes, this would require billions and billions of dollars in investment into robotic factories built in the US. The billions that Apple has sitting as cash in the bank.

How would US workers benefit from robotic factories? Simple. Robots need to be serviced, programmed, and tuned by humans. The ratio can be one human to one hundred robots, so instead of employing a million of cheap Chinese workers through its partners to build iPhones, Apple can employ 10,000 US workers directly and save money in the long run due to a higher productivity and higher accuracy of the robotic assembly. And, robots don’t commit suicide or steal from you.

If anything, a robotically assembled in the US iPhone would cost less, not more, than an iPhone built by the Chinese.

As a shareholder, I want to ask Tim Cook this question. Why are you not building robotic assembly factories in the US, Tim?

Robots can't build the iPhone. Those who think it can are living in a dream.

Tesla spent billions on R&D, software, robots, and is backed by the brightest minds. The semi-robot factory in California couldn't even pump out 5,000 cars a week with any decent quality. Things weren't fixed until Elon Musk brought back humans to the factory.

A robot can assemble and weld giant pieces of metal. It has no chance of putting a wiring harness together, much less an iPhone.

Your exaggerations of robots building cars 20 years ago were clearly just dreams. They're still dreams in 2018.
 
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Trump only won because of Clinton.
Bernie would have had 300+ EVs
Biden would have won the rust belt
Warren would have won
Clinton was flat out toxic
I agree Clinton cheated as should NEVER be in power, that said she could have beat Bernie fair & square but she was too crooked to try it. no worries, the DNC is going to make sure only Clinton is in the primaries.
 
Congratulations Trump voters, you played yourself.

We don't want Americans to perform manual labor that oxen can do. We only want engineers and scientists and artist - people that can create value with their minds.

GM laying off people after closing plants has nothing to do with steel tariffs or the type of vehicles (sedans) produced - it is the unappealing and unreliable nature of the products.

If sedans were death knells, Honda, BMW, MB, Toyota, etc. would all be closing shop. GM is not able to compete with their sedans.

Why shouldn't Americans perform manual laboro_O?

USA needs engineers, scientists, doctors, nurses, computer programmers - i.e., STEM educated people. Right now they are importing them, in spite of the wonderful education system. Why isn't the USA natively producing enough of the engineers, scientists, artists, and other such "people that can create value with their minds"?

It is producing enough lawyers, though; actually to an excess:rolleyes:!
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Actually, everything he wrote was pretty spot-on. You're even talking like Trump, e.g., "no where [sic] else on the planet." Goodness.

Other than pointing out my spelling mistake, you made not a single point!

There are soooooo many things wrong with this post lol ... WTF! I just can't, I can't even. I am hoping this is a class A troll. (troll alert!)
I always wonder why people call us Americans stupid and then see a post like this. :rolleyes:

Ha, a kindred spirit:):apple:! There are many more in these 20+ pages of posts:cool:.
 
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Hey....just two more years...then he is gone....moving to Monaco where the wealthy go to avoid paying any taxes.
 
Other than pointing out my spelling mistake, you made not a single point!

The points had already been made. When your response was "You are full of dog pucky!" and then a non-sequitur about education, it's not like there was anything to refute. Should we invest in STEM education? Yes, duh. That doesn't change the fact that Trump is an imbecile of the highest order. Nor does it change the fact that globalization is a force you can't change, and trying to do so only hurts us in the long-run. As I've stated before, this is Economics 101.
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Ha, a kindred spirit:):apple:! There are many more in these 20+ pages of posts:cool:.

As the saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right."
 
USA needs engineers, scientists, doctors, nurses, computer programmers - i.e., STEM educated people. Right now they are importing them, in spite of the wonderful education system. Why isn't the USA natively producing enough of the engineers, scientists, artists, and other such...

Right? where did all these crazy people come from?
also "people that can create value with their minds"? - this quote is so *cringeworthy*... how do you expect people to create value with their minds? what like telekinesis? making objects appear out of thin air? Where do the computers come from that these engineers are working on? Or are these smart brilliant engineers able to conjure up magical computers?

Actually a lot of STEM, engineers immigrated from India and China.

We only want engineers and scientists and artist - people that can create value with their minds./QUOTE]
 
Should we invest in STEM education? Yes, duh. That doesn't change the fact that Trump is an imbecile of the highest order. Nor does it change the fact that globalization is a force you can't change, and trying to do so only hurts us in the long-run. As I've stated before, this is Economics 101.

I agree with all three of these points (that I highlighted)!

I used the "dog thing" because that frustrating poster has been repeating that nonsense all over the thread - especially praising USA's education system, college component, when it is not delivering while being ridiculously expensive. The K-12 is free, yes, but very bad with STEM to date.

Forcing USA to still import brain-labor!
 
Robots can't build the iPhone. Those who think it can are living in a dream.

Tesla spent billions on R&D, software, robots, and is backed by the brightest minds. The semi-robot factory in California couldn't even pump out 5,000 cars a week with any decent quality. Things weren't fixed until Elon Musk brought back humans to the factory.

A robot can assemble and weld giant pieces of metal. It has no chance of putting a wiring harness together, much less an iPhone.

Your exaggerations of robots building cars 20 years ago were clearly just dreams. They're still dreams in 2018.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Mercedes has been building SUVs by robots in Tuscaloosa, AL since mid 1990s. I witnessed the robotic assembly line with my own eyes during the Tuscaloosa factory tour in 1998. I saw robots putting minute things inside of the SUV with my own eyes. I can also tell you that the majority of the engineering and technical personnel that worked at that factory was German because (I guess) Americans didn't have people who knew how to build or service robots. It seems that now (20 years later) we still have no expertise in robotic assembly lines; hence, the comments like yours that claim that building an iPhone by robots is not possible. Why would we have this expertise? For over two decades, it was much cheaper just to outsource all production to China. Germans didn't do that. They actually kept production in Germany, and addressed the high labor costs by building robotic assembly lines.

I don't know if this plant was an exception or it was a general direction that the European automotive industry was taking back 20+ years ago. I know there's a BMW plant in South Carolina that I used to pass all the time. I never took a tour of that plant, so I don't know if BMWs were being built by robots or not. I can only speak for the Mercedes plant that I toured, which had robotic assembly lines literally 20 years ago.

It is absolutely possible to build an iPhone by robots in 2018 if Cook had been smart enough to start building robotic factories in the US back in 2016 when Trump told him so. Apparently, Cook didn't think Trump was being serious.

The first Apple-owned robotic factories would have been making iPhone XS and XS Max by now if Cook didn't waste all this time. And the price of the iPhone may have been lower due to more efficiency and higher productivity that robotic assembly lines provide.
 
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