Please quote me where I made any such claims.
Apparently trying to have a discussion with you is pointless so...whatever dude.
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Please quote me where I made any such claims.
Apparently trying to have a discussion with you is pointless so...whatever dude.
Come on people. The number of people who jailbreak for each reason is irrelevant to the op's question. So "to get cracked apps" is one answer, even though it's not something approved on this forum. For additional functionality like backgrounder and sbsettings is another. For more theming flexibility than just changing background pics is yet another reason. So let's stick to the reasons, and stop arguing how many people jb for which reasons.
Where did I even say I wanted to disprove anything? Sheesh, some people are just desperate for an argument.
Sir, this is not the argument clinic
Well the original question is from May. I think this is just a discussion at this point. I don't want to argue either though.
So...to get back to the reasons:
Just JB'ed both my phone and my iPad for the first time today. I had several reasons to JB the phone--all functionality-based, like SBSettings and BiteSMS--but I was vehemently not interested in JB'ing the iPad. Until I spent most of the day with an improved phone. What pushed me over the edge was looking at eight freaking pages of apps on the iPad and not being able to find anything without using Spotlight. I hate Spotlight.
So a five minute jailbreak and PDF patch later, .99 poorer, I have Categories and CategoriesSB installed. An hour after that, I have ONE page of apps + "folders" that don't have limits on how much I can put into them. Oh, and lo and behold, I can choose my own damn icons for them too. Then I added FullForce and found that it really does improve the look of some of my iPhone apps on the iPad, if somewhat imperfectly. SBSettings, of course, works equally well on both devices.
No battery or performance issues on either device. And for the record, I have no interest in cracked apps--if I want it, I'll pay for it, just like I do music, books, and other software.
Why jailbreak an iPad? To get the functionality Apple decided not to include in the first gen product.
Just JB'ed both my phone and my iPad for the first time today. I had several reasons to JB the phone--all functionality-based, like SBSettings and BiteSMS--but I was vehemently not interested in JB'ing the iPad. Until I spent most of the day with an improved phone. What pushed me over the edge was looking at eight freaking pages of apps on the iPad and not being able to find anything without using Spotlight. I hate Spotlight.
So a five minute jailbreak and PDF patch later, .99 poorer, I have Categories and CategoriesSB installed. An hour after that, I have ONE page of apps + "folders" that don't have limits on how much I can put into them. Oh, and lo and behold, I can choose my own damn icons for them too. Then I added FullForce and found that it really does improve the look of some of my iPhone apps on the iPad, if somewhat imperfectly. SBSettings, of course, works equally well on both devices.
No battery or performance issues on either device. And for the record, I have no interest in cracked apps--if I want it, I'll pay for it, just like I do music, books, and other software.
Why jailbreak an iPad? To get the functionality Apple decided not to include in the first gen product.
Why do you care so much? Your motives seem grounded in confrontation rather than true altruism.
Why do YOU care about my motives? I was asked to support my theory. I've provided some relevant links to do so. You can either debate them, provide those of your own or ignore it entirely.
Since when does a discussion require a motive other than to engage in a discussion? Perhaps the person looking for confrontation manifests one? I was asked a question. I answered. Simple as that.
Since when does a discussion require a motive other than to engage in a discussion? Perhaps the person looking for confrontation manifests one? I was asked a question. I answered. Simple as that.
No you accused others with no validity of jailbreaking for reasons of theft. That is confrontational. Nor do you know the motives of any one who wishes to jailbreak their device. If you truly cared, you would give people the benefit of the doubt instead of using an accusatory and judgmental tone. I care about your supposed motives as I'm one of the many you suggest jailbreak their devices for "theft". That is an unfounded and insulting accusation meant merely to hijack a thread for your own selfish intent...
Further, if you seem to care so much, why not use that energy in doing something more productive, such as volunteering at your local shelter. Otherwise your comments wreak of superiority and boredom. Please, do yourself a favor and admit you have no basis for such a general assumption, apologize like an adult and move on...
...and please, don't reply with more accusations, I posted on this thread with productive comments and questions and answers before you decided to make unfounded accusations towards others...
No you accused others with no validity of jailbreaking for reasons of theft. That is confrontational. Nor do you know the motives of any one who wishes to jailbreak their device. If you truly cared, you would give people the benefit of the doubt instead of using an accusatory and judgmental tone. I care about your supposed motives as I'm one of the many you suggest jailbreak their devices for "theft". That is an unfounded and insulting accusation meant merely to hijack a thread for your own selfish intent...
Further, if you seem to care so much, why not use that energy in doing something more productive, such as volunteering at your local shelter. Otherwise your comments wreak of superiority and boredom. Please, do yourself a favor and admit you have no basis for such a general assumption, apologize like an adult and move on...
...and please, don't reply with more accusations, I posted on this thread with productive comments and questions and answers before you decided to make unfounded accusations towards others...
The only thing unfounded here is your opinion. On the other hand, I posted TWO articles that provide evidence that the vast majority of jailbreakers do so with the sole intent to pirate software and/or services. There are dozens of other studies to support this as well.
It seems to me that you are more than a a little bit defensive about this. I've nothing to defend, I don't jailbreak. The evidence, widely reported in the press, by Apple and elsewhere, supports my beliefs. You have nothing to support your beliefs other than to attempt to color me as confrontational for having the audacity to post links to mainstream media coverage of the fact that most jailbreakers are thieves.
But again, defensive is as defensive does.
Quoting two articles does not make for valid scientific data on what individuals do with their iDevices. You have a lot to learn about scientific research (who did these "studies"? Why were they done? What was the N in their research? Who did they study? these are facts that validate any "study". I can easily google the subject to find studies that validate JUST the opposite of your biased claims, developing an OBJECTIVE hypothesis is the start to any valid study/research, you are SUBJECTIVE in your opinions and as such are emotionally vested for some reason in determining you are right). As an aside this is a silly argument you have concocted, there are more important issues in life. Who cares what people do with their products? If they want to steal applications, it's none of your concern. I'm not the attention seeker who hijacked this thread in a vain attempt to prove some sort of superiority. I'm not defensive, merely stating facts. As such, I've taken your bait, thus...
We're done here. Thank you, thank you very much.
Quoting two articles does not make for valid scientific data on what individuals do with their iDevices. You have a lot to learn about scientific research (who did these "studies"? Why were they done? What was the N in their research? Who did they study? these are facts that validate any "study". I can easily google the subject to find studies that validate JUST the opposite of your biased claims, developing an OBJECTIVE hypothesis is the start to any valid study/research, you are SUBJECTIVE in your opinions and as such are emotionally vested for some reason in determining you are right). As an aside this is a silly argument you have concocted, there are more important issues in life. Who cares what people do with their products? If they want to steal applications, it's none of your concern. I'm not the attention seeker who hijacked this thread in a vain attempt to prove some sort of superiority. I'm not defensive, merely stating facts. As such, I've taken your bait, thus...
We're done here. Thank you, thank you very much.
Well its clear with that kind of argument, YOU most certainly are done here. Not that you ever actually had anything to contribute other than jumping in to defend your own justifications.
But please, google away, provide your research that disproves the studies I've quoted. That's all I was asking for in the first place. I'll wait, happy to learn from someone far more illuminated than I on statistical relevancy of data sets. I can't WAIT to see what you've got to share. Srsly.
The only thing I've learned from your posts is that people will go to tremendous lengths to validate their guilty vices. If you can't discuss rationally, start slinging mud as thats the best way to distract from the topic at hand.
Next contestant please?
Even if it is true that the majority of jailbreakers do so to use cracked apps, *this* subforum exists for people to discuss jailbreaking without reference to use of cracked apps. So, as I said before, numbers are irreverent. I think the problem is that ReallyBigFeet insists on arguing numbers, as if that matters. It doesn't. Even if we are the only people in the world who jailbreak primarily for additional functionality, this is a place to talk about that. Coming in here and insisting that we are so few we don't really matter can be perceived as rude and argumentative.
Exactly.
Back on topic, most people I personally know jailbreak their devices for full control and customization, not stealing applications. It's nice to have the full ability to modify icons, the dock, etc. and personalize your iDevice. In fact, I paid Saurik for applications through Cydia such as CategoriesSB and Infinidock. As a developer, it's crucial to reward those who work hard in making the most of our products.
You and me both. I mean, what is up with such a shallow self-image if merely disagreeing with someone on an internet forum is grounds for degrading the others' opinions? Its as if some posters have an irrational fear that their turf has been invaded by someone who isn't nodding like a lemming in agreement to their status-quo belief system. Reminds me of the cartoon:
But unfortunately, this forum doesn't seem to have such a filter in place so people are allowed to post on here for years before their behavior is recognized for what it really is....lack of tolerance for dissenting perspectives. I think some posters get this sense of warped entitlement that they have been around for awhile and therefore their opinions are somehow of higher relevance. We all know that opinions are like belly buttons....I find it humorous that you have given mine so much more credence than your own by elevating it to such a high priority that you've come back to address it further. Fortunately, I don't take yours quite so seriously.
EDIT: Oops, I see you had second thoughts and edited your post.
I'll let mine stand.
Yup. Edited right before you posted as engaging you further is exactly what you want and I knew you were salivating at the thought of your response which, was, well, amusing...
Thank you for the fun!
Yup. Edited right before you posted as engaging you further is exactly what you want and I knew you were salivating at the thought of your response which, was, well, amusing...
Thank you for the fun!
Here to help, any time! You sound like you could use some humor in your life.
Aren't RSS feeds fun????
RSS feeds??? What does RSS feeds have at all to do with this thread?
Oh come now...if I have to tell you, its no longer amusing.
Actually, your post a few above this one is the only post in here that returns the discussion to relevance. You are right, I'm talking about "verboten" subject matter, albeit not in the manner I think that ruling was intended. I believe the ruling was to not have specific discussions about 'cracked apps,' not a complete barring of discussions about the impact of piracy on the platform in general. There are hundreds of threads on these forums discussing piracy as a general topic already, so I think that evidence speaks for itself as to what is and isn't permissible. And I won't even attempt to classify "MyWi" as a 'legitimate' application...the sole purpose of that app is to allow the user to bypass the AT&T billing mechanism for tethering and commit theft of service.
Nonetheless, I'll defer to your request to let this thread continue (or not) without further discussions on the piracy concerns.
Well, I totally don't get the joke. Maybe there's something about RSS feeds I don't know, as I don't use them often?
Anyway, if you had started a separate thread on the impact of piracy within the jb scene, I agree that it would have been an acceptable and interesting topic of discussion for this forum -- if we ever manage to keep things civil and not denigrate to name calling!
But the way you brought up the topic in this thread stuck me as somewhat abrupt, and posssibly gave people the impression that you weren't interested in open exchange. In fact, i've been staring at your usename and thinking, wow, we really got started on the wrong foot! I seldom make the time to register to post to a forum, but OMG, it is a major pain in the ass to sort through the b.s. in this thread, to actually find useful info! It seems as though BigFeet has an awful chip on his shoulder about something... Dude, either you agree or you don't, but this isn't the place to pick a fight. The thread began with a question, if you have info regarding that, GREAT - provide it and go. Save your holier-than-thou crap for a thread meant for that kind of banter.
I have had an iPhone 3GS for nearly a year, and came reeeallly close to jail breaking it - I was going nuts waiting for the new OS. I was too afraid of the consequences, and just waited. Now, it's way worse to have it on my phone, and know what I'm missing on my iPad (from what I read here, probably missing even more than the new OS would offer). So, can someone tell me what I stand to lose, if I choose to jail break my pad? I ALWAYS pay for my apps, btw! If I jail break, would I still be able to purchase through the app store? Would I be able to sync with iTunes? Where would I get some of the tools used to sort the apps (such as referenced in this thread)?
BigFeet, if you respond, I hope you will provide the facts as you know them, and keep the passionate debate to a minimum. We all have our passions, and I respect that, I just want to keep it simple
I have had an iPhone 3GS for nearly a year, and came reeeallly close to jail breaking it - I was going nuts waiting for the new OS. I was too afraid of the consequences, and just waited. Now, it's way worse to have it on my phone, and know what I'm missing on my iPad (from what I read here, probably missing even more than the new OS would offer). So, can someone tell me what I stand to lose, if I choose to jail break my pad? I ALWAYS pay for my apps, btw! If I jail break, would I still be able to purchase through the app store? Would I be able to sync with iTunes? Where would I get some of the tools used to sort the apps (such as referenced in this thread)?
BigFeet, if you respond, I hope you will provide the facts as you know them, and keep the passionate debate to a minimum. We all have our passions, and I respect that, I just want to keep it simple
Also, nightspring, I think, but am not certain, that bigfeet was implying you were using an rss feed to keep up with the dialogue. If that's the case, don't worry about getting the joke, because there was no humor to be found. I seriously don't understand why such delight is taken in ridiculous bickering...
I seldom make the time to register to post to a forum, but OMG, it is a major pain in the ass to sort through the b.s. in this thread, to actually find useful info! It seems as though BigFeet has an awful chip on his shoulder about something... Dude, either you agree or you don't, but this isn't the place to pick a fight. The thread began with a question, if you have info regarding that, GREAT - provide it and go. Save your holier-than-thou crap for a thread meant for that kind of banter.
I have had an iPhone 3GS for nearly a year, and came reeeallly close to jail breaking it - I was going nuts waiting for the new OS. I was too afraid of the consequences, and just waited. Now, it's way worse to have it on my phone, and know what I'm missing on my iPad (from what I read here, probably missing even more than the new OS would offer). So, can someone tell me what I stand to lose, if I choose to jail break my pad? I ALWAYS pay for my apps, btw! If I jail break, would I still be able to purchase through the app store? Would I be able to sync with iTunes? Where would I get some of the tools used to sort the apps (such as referenced in this thread)?
BigFeet, if you respond, I hope you will provide the facts as you know them, and keep the passionate debate to a minimum. We all have our passions, and I respect that, I just want to keep it simple
You might check out the iPhone hacks forum; a little digging in there gave me 1000x more useful info than the iPad hacks forum did. The risks are basically the same, and for the most part, so are the benefits.
My input on the process is a few posts up, so I won't repeat it, but suffice it to say that I was more than a little worried about the process and the costs versus benefits myself. After just a few days, it's pretty clear to me I've been missing out all this time, and I'm never going back to stock firmware.
Good luck!
Virtual memory...just did it today...smooth so far...actually smother than before because some things were too much for the iPad...like they are already expecting the extra ram of the iPhone 4.
Infinidock...because it is cool to have all the most useful folders in the dock.
Categories...got to have folders. (sbcategories to complete the deal...not sure why those are even sol separately. And I like to have them all on one screen.
Shrink...make more fit.
Sbsettings...not sure how anybody can get by without this...I adjust the brightness several times a day.
Activator...been using it for a couple of things...but starting to figure out I could do a whole lot more a lot quicker.
Backgrounder...pretty obvious.
Infinidock...because it is cool to have all the most useful folders in the dock.
Categories...got to have folders. (sbcategories to complete the deal...not sure why those are even sol separately. And I like to have them all on one screen.
Shrink...make more fit.
Sbsettings...not sure how anybody can get by without this...I adjust the brightness several times a day.
Activator...been using it for a couple of things...but starting to figure out I could do a whole lot more a lot quicker.
Backgrounder...pretty obvious.