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The camera flash as a notification light is a joke implementation of a notification light. Anytime someone says notification light they are referring to something that can:

-front facing
-doesn't annoy by the fact that it's obnoxiously bright/surprising
-low power
-customizable - type of alerts/colors, etc.

I've been hoping for something like the above (like Android has) for a while. I'd like to think Apple is waiting on a "different" implementation of this, i.e. something that is "nicer" than how it's been implemented in the past & currently.
 
No bezels
Notification light
4 gigs ram
Terabyte of that new storage that never wears out
Waterproof
Wireless charging
USB C
Entirely of sapphire
Built in LED projector
One week battery life like Sony phones

Paper-white display on the back for outdoors/selfies/reading/always-on-info/art
Ultra-thin case made out of Liquid Metal
Touch sensitive bezel and back for gaming input
Smell sensor for alerts/cooking/airQ/smell-id/enviro-recording/games/interactivity +Medical!
Hydrogen fuel cell
3d screen
Whisper recognition + mouth reading for silent voice input
 
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It's gonna have so much RAM that it keeps every tab you have ever opened in cache, even ones you opened on previous iPhones.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. No more refreshing. It'll be able to keep the pages I visit everyday waiting for me in memory.
 
I'm wondering where Apple has left to go at this point.
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In terms of the A9/M9 and their relation to the overall system there are gaps an A10 could fill:

1. Battery life didn't get better with iPhone 6s over what are specs of iPhone 6. The A9 is better but some battery space has to be traded for the much bigger Tapic Engine so the time on battery is a wash. More 16nm optimizations (plus other internals updates ) may squeeze out more time on now smaller battery. The "squeeze" may be even bigger if rumors of trying to track iPod Touch thinness. Again loosing battery volume, but would need to at least tread water on usable time.

2. Local Siri .... at some point perhaps Siri gets smart enough locally to do some straight forward local commands with local resources. That would soak up a decent amount of computational horsepower.


3. Just like M9 moved into the "CPU" package this time there is probably something else coming off what is left of the motherboard. One iteration closer to System on a 'Chip' ( SoC ).


4. The camera module has probably changed if much thinner. Probably will need new pixel/camera processing hardware to deal with the trade-offs.


5. 4K video out ( 1080p now. can't output the camera can record at full resolution). Similarly either H.265/HEVC or broader range of those higher compression codecs in hardware. HDR Video.

6. 2nd gen asynchronous execution support in the GPGPUs.
 
I'm wondering where Apple has left to go at this point.

We'd been waiting for a bigger screen for a long time. We'd been waiting for NFC for a long time. We waited for Force Touch.

I guess they can do that edge-to-edge screen with no home button that we've been waiting for, but that seems like a gimick, not an actually useful feature.

I guess Apple could make it so that you can actually feel stuff on the screen. Like, Haptic feedback as opposed to Taptic feedback. Or some actual 3D features. Do we think Apple is going to have features like that ready for mass production within a year?

Next year will be very interesting - this was one of their biggest S upgrades ever so I don't what else is needed.

As of now - we are looking at A10, better camera (maybe that 2 lenses system), wireless charging?, etc.
Anything else?:confused:
 
USB C in general is not a gimmick. You're one of those people who thought original USB was a gimmick and that we should all still be using PS/2 and serial ports.

I did some research with the intent of disputing this, but the research has surprised me a bit.

Pros for Lightning:
USB C is slightly larger than Lightning (http://josh-ua.co/blog/2015/3/15/us...arison-with-the-lightning-port-and-usb-type-a)
Current lightning accessories wouldn't work with USB C... so the typical headache of moving from one standard to another.
Control. Since Lightning is Apple's standard, Apple is able to more closely monitor people making accessories for iOS devices. Except not really - people have already reverse engineered it.

Pros for USB C:
Apple hasn't publicly revealed the stats on Lightning, but it's thought that it's comparable to USB 2 in how fast it can transfer data and power. In contrast, USB C is publicly known to be twice as quick as USB 3, and able to power entire computers.

After doing this research, I expected Apple would kill Lightning and move either to Thunderbolt or USB C.

So I went a bit further to compare Thunderbolt and USB C.

Thunderbolt 3 and USB C share the exact same connectors. They're just different protocols. So I expect Apple will kill USB C and just move to Thunderbolt 3 on all devices. Thunderbolt 3 will give them compatibility with all USB C devices, plus the faster protocol that Thunderbolt 3 uses for any accessories that know it.
 
Paper-white display on the back for outdoors/selfies/reading/always-on-info/art
Ultra-thin case made out of Liquid Metal
Touch sensitive bezel and back for gaming input
Smell sensor for alerts/cooking/airQ/smell-id/enviro-recording/games/interactivity +Medical!
Hydrogen fuel cell
3d screen
Whisper recognition + mouth reading for silent voice input
Dat's funny, #4 and 7, but hey who knows, sometime on the longer horizon.....
 
Here. This has been around for ages.

Settings -> General -> Accessibility -> LED Flash for Alerts

I'm not having this argument with another clueless, ignorant individual like yourself

It's not the same thing. Go do research first before commenting.
 
What we have been waiting for is a bigger battery physically for 2+ day battery life. Even if an option. Inside the case, not a battery dongle.

I for one hope they keep the case design for another two cycles since the rounded edges really extended the product cycle in the 3GS. Shocking product lifecycle. Also gives accessory manufacturers and users needed stability.

The only they allow for a bigger battery is if they find a way to shrink other components appreciably. I can't seem them moving to a thicker design unless they have to like from iPad 2 to iPad 3.

No way they keep the case design for another two cycles either. Just no way that happens in this day and age. Competitors move too quickly.
 
Wireless charging is anything, but gimmick. I use it everyday without bothering to connect the cable and it also gives you a second way to charge if you brake the port. Just be real. How can it be a gimmick if it makes charging as tranparent as it can be right now. I get back home, i put my phone on the table and thats that. Its awesome.

I think you are forgetting where you are: it's a "gimmick" until Apple rolls it out in an iPhone, then it's "shut up and take my money"... just like NFC, bigger screens than what was "perfect" at 4", bigger screens than what was "perfect" at 3.5" and on and on. We are remarkably consistent around here. If Apple has it or launches it in Apple products, stuff we've passionately railed against becomes key reasons to upgrade. It's only "abominations", "useless", "99% don't need" until Apple implements it.

Personally, I think wireless charging would be exceptional for the reasons you've shared. Furthermore, when Apple adopts it, they'll sell so many units with it that their cut will probably be viewed as the standard (assuming they go proprietary). With a standard, lots of third parties will build charging pads/furniture/etc in at places people go: airports, hotels, restaurants, etc. We might get to a point where one could confidently leave home without dragging along charging cables or some kind of wireless pad.
 
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I'm wondering where Apple has left to go at this point.

One day, really great battery tech, of course.

In the shorter term, Cook has been adding features that have helped Samsung sell devices, so a pen option for at least the largest iPhone seems a reasonable prediction.

Embedding TouchID in the LCD. They have a patent on this, remains to be seen if it's practical. I have my doubts. Seems a little too science fiction.

Yeah, everyone and their brother has a patent on some kind of in-screen fingerprint reader. There was even one demonstrated back at the Jan 2013 CES on a modified Samsung phone.

I think your prediction of future waterproofing might bring it to fruition at Apple, though. I've always said that a prime reason to go all touch / wireless charging is to allow closing / removing all the ports / buttons

An overhaul of iOS at version 10... iOSX? lol. For a more black based UI, and switching to AMOLED displays like on the AppleWatch for more energy efficiency.

Maybe. One difference is, the Apple Watch needed a black UI to hide the large bezel around its display.
 
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.....Edit: After doing some research on Lightning, Thunderbolt 3, and USB C, I think Apple might move to have Thunderbolt 3 be the only connection on all of their products, OS X and iOS alike. It's compact and reversible like Lightning and USB C, many, many times faster than Lightning, faster than USB C, and backwards compatible with USB C.
Did you mean USB3? USB-C is a port of course, while USB3 is a data transfer protocol. I agree, it is somewhat confusing. From what I understand, USB-C is expected to take off in a big way as this new standard is supported by over 700 companies, and these reversible little ports are going to show up on just about anything from desktops and laptops to peripherals and cellphones. Now that the latest ThunderBolt iteration coming with Skylake is said to have switched to the USB-C connector exclusively, the debate over TB vs USB can finally be over, and everyone can enjoy their preferred interface, whether that's USB3.1 or ThunderBolt 3, the USB-C connector does it all, DisplayPort, HDMI, 100 Watts of power, USB, and VGA or Ethernet.

USB-C is all set to become the premier connector for the foreseeable future. TB3 over USB-C is still at the top of the heap as far as speed and bandwidth are concerned but with expected licensing fees and the price of the chips to still be pricey, it will probably remain more of a professional solution, with many people instead opting for the cheaper USB3.1 interface. Exciting times.....

For anyone else interested in more on USB-C

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/2/8704551/usb-type-c-is-the-future
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478121,00.asp
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-usb-c-new-universal-port-backed-by-apple-google-1491587
http://www.howtogeek.com/211843/usb-type-c-explained-what-it-is-and-why-youll-want-it/
 
I'm guessing some pretty serious camera improvements. They've been buying up camera / optics companies for years now and we haven't seen anything from them. Nothing from Primesense (3d depth). Nothing from LinX (slr-quality and depth of field using multiple sensors at once). Nothing from the crazy prism-splitting patents.

I could see water-resistence if the A10 really is a system in package.

I could see some extreme battery life enhancements, moving to OLED and smaller chips.

That gives you 3 or 4 years of feature enhancements right there.
 
TMSC producing iPhone chips seems to be a perennial rumour. May as well write next year's article for them producing A11 chips for the 7S too...

Yeah, except for the A8, it was accurate, and Samsung was the one floating (untrue) rumors that they were getting all, or the majority, or some of the A8 manufacturing. It's a question of whose process is ready and qualified to meet Apple's needs at the time. Samsung's 14nm process came into production about 3 months ahead of TSMC's "roughly equivalent" 16nmFF+ process, so Samsung got the nod for the A9. Neither one will have 10nm in production by 6 months from now, although you can rest assured Apple is already doing test designs on both 10nm processes, so they will still be at the 14/16nm node. Time to go to TSMC in order to keep them competing against each other, and ensure pricing for Apple remains as low as possible.
 
2. Local Siri .... at some point perhaps Siri gets smart enough locally to do some straight forward local commands with local resources. That would soak up a decent amount of computational horsepower.
You mean like Microsoft Voice Command had in 2003 on Windows Mobile phones? I had it back then, and loved it. "Call Amy", and it would repeat back who I wanted to call, and I would say, "yes". "Give me a restaurant in Hillsboro, Oregon that serves gourmet hamburgers." It would search the web for that.

It ran on an HTC Universal, which had 128MB ROM and 128MB RAM, and an Intel PXA270 CPU, running at 520MHz. (there were other older phones that ran it, but this is the easiest to get the specs from, and I had one of those).

I agree with you that Siri should be local, and not say, "I have no Internet connection" when I ask to dial a phone number local to the phone. I never had that problem with Voice Command 12 years ago. If I didn't have Internet and I wanted a search that required it, then there was a problem.

I guess it looks like I'm rebutting your statement, but in reality, I'm saying that the capability for Siri to run on your local phone should already exist, and not be some whiz-bang feature that has to have the phone be so uber powerful that the A9/A10 is required to run it, especially when CPU (using Moore's law of 18 month doubling) of 1/256 the processing power and 1/1024 the RAM (128GB/128MB) had no problem with it.
 
Paper-white display on the back for outdoors/selfies/reading/always-on-info/art
Ultra-thin case made out of Liquid Metal
Touch sensitive bezel and back for gaming input
Smell sensor for alerts/cooking/airQ/smell-id/enviro-recording/games/interactivity +Medical!
Hydrogen fuel cell
3d screen
Whisper recognition + mouth reading for silent voice input


That one is super awesome. I remember there's some Russian company doing that with an Android phone. Brilliant really.

edit:

here it is, the YotaPhone

https://yotaphone.com/us-en/
 
Can't wait for some tests of the A9 vs the A8. The A9 is also supposedly on a 16nm node. Mobile chips are getting so powerful it's a little bit insane.

Yes, the A9 is 16nm. Looks like TSMC 's 14nm is not quite ready. I'm very surprised Samsung is not in on this. I've heard rumblings TSMC has a "Unique" 16nm process as efficient as 14nm. Samsung has made good progress with their 14nm. Unfortunately their partnership with Global Foundries seems to have gone south. Looks like Apple is putting all the eggs in one basket for the A10. Hope it works out. I hate TSMC. :rolleyes:
 
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Next year will be very interesting - this was one of their biggest S upgrades ever so I don't what else is needed.

As of now - we are looking at A10, better camera (maybe that 2 lenses system), wireless charging?, etc.
Anything else?:confused:


Realistically, more than anything else, it's time to get rid of the bezels. It's not like it would be a huge technological feat. There are plenty of Android phones with almost no bezel.

Beyond that, it would be nice if they would just take an iPod Touch 6, stick a cellular radio in it, and call it the iPhone 7 mini. I'd buy one on a second. I'd bet money they've had them floating around in the Apple development lab for years anyway - they're just timing the release for when the market is ready for a return to tiny and convenient phones.
 
Can't wait for some tests of the A9 vs the A8. The A9 is also supposedly on a 16nm node. Mobile chips are getting so powerful it's a little bit insane.

I am a little surprised that A10 is going to be on TSMC 16nm rather than TSMC 10nm node which is well underway and scheduled for Q4 production. Maybe the schedule was pushed back (like everyone else in the Industry).

Perhaps, TSMC may roll out the 16nm generation 3 process with 16nm metal pitch. Currently generation of A9 is built on TSMC 16nm FF+ (generation 2) which uses 20nm metal pitch.
 
Yes, the A9 is 16nm. Looks like TSMC 's 14nm is not quite ready. I'm very surprised Samsung is not in on this. I've heard rumblings TSMC has a "Unique" 16nm process as efficient as 14nm. Samsung has made good progress with their 14nm. Unfortunately their partnership with Global Foundries seems to have gone south. Looks like Apple is putting all the eggs in one basket for the A10. Hope it works out. I hate TSMC. :rolleyes:

There is no TSMC 14nm. The next major node is TSMC 10nm. Also subsequent releases of TSMC 16nm process - generation 3 (16nm metal pitch and 4 ultra low power). From reading press, TSMC is taking the threat from Samsung very seriously and mobilized the entire company to ramp up production, yield, and cutting cost. It is a very cut throat competition right now.
 
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2. Local Siri .... at some point perhaps Siri gets smart enough locally to do some straight forward local commands with local resources. That would soak up a decent amount of computational horsepower.

Seeing as how the iPhone's own Voice Control function (not to mention Google Now and Cortana) can do straight forward, local commands, I'm assuming they should have no problem getting Siri to take care of them as well. Honestly, I have no idea why she CAN'T do them already.
 
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There is no TSMC 14nm. The next major node is TSMC 10nm. Also subsequent releases of TSMC 16nm process - generation 3 (16nm metal pitch and 4 ultra low power). From reading press, TSMC is taking the threat from Samsung very seriously and mobilized the entire company to ramp up production, yield, and cutting cost. It is a very cut throat competition right now.

Thanks. I was not sure about their 14nm. It seems 10nm is the next for others as well. I hope for Apple's sake TSMC is up to the task. Up to this point they have not been reliable in high yields. I'm still very surprised Samsung will not be in on it. TSMC surely feels the pressure of Samsung expanding their S1 Fab to perhaps 300,000 300mm waffers per month. I believe they may also go the 450mm wafers in the new Pyeongtaek Fab coming online in 2017. Apple must be very keen on TSMC's Gen 3 Process. Still a lot of eggs in one TSMC basket however. High risk IMO. :apple:
 
I hope that with the 7, they clean up the lineup... I'd love to not see a 5S / 6 / 6S for sale anymore. Just make a series of iPhone 7 devices. Mini (5s screen size), regular, and Plus.
That would not allow them to reach price points and production volume that they shoot for.
 
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