You don’t find it on safari Lol, you find it on google, safari is just the browser.
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Tumblr Removed From App Store Over Failure to Filter Out Child Pornography
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You don’t find it on safari Lol, you find it on google, safari is just the browser.
Your question is disingenuous. I asked why just Tumblr. It might be a minority use case but there are a number of avenues that can facilitate this issue. It is bigger than Tumblr.
btw - when I say app developers, I mean/meant the companies that own the app (development/marketing/etc.).
Web Browsers don’t host content. They are merely tools to access content from other vendors. Any illegal activity on the web is between the vendor and the criminal.
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They’re sick. People who do this need professional help. Getting off on a child is straight up dysfunctional.
Porn ≠ child porn.
If you can’t understand the difference, Interpol and/or the FBI might want a word. Not to mention most rational people everywhere.
I can use any app that facilitates SMS/MMS. Remember Telegram?
Even though Tumblr app is removed for now (only in iOS), I can still get there via any browser.
You could also via Reddit, Imgr, Giphy, ...
I am sure there are many more.
What other apps are you suggesting are doing the same thing as Tumblr? As far as I know, the issue wasn't that it can show up there (as this can happen to any site that can host a file), but rather how they deal with it once there. If you were to post something illegal to Facebook, Twitter, etc. it would be deleted. Tumblr however chose to turn a blind eye, and this is what caused the removal of the app. It's not about the fact that it can happen, but rather how they police it. Stop shouting from the rooftops that the sky is falling, it's not. I'm sure you'll still be able to find your "content" that you're so adamantly defending without the app.
Which is why I mentioned apps that aren't just file sharing, because that's a completely different story altogether. Plus, Telegram was removed also.
And, all of these have pretty rigorous moderation, as well as an understanding that removing illegal content is required/actively carried out. That's why I said earlier that I don't at all think these websites/apps should be to blame for what users post on them, they don't have control over that, but Tumblr don't seem to be taking adequate action to remedy the content that is against Apple policy, hence the removal. I don't think this is a witch hunt against Tumblr, nor do I think a wider restriction needs to be placed - the restrictions in place just need to be followed, and Tumblr isn't. That's really all it is.
Exactly this.
Here’s the logic:
If you know something illegal is going on, on a server you own, you are required by law to report and deal with it. And even if you squeak by the law by doing the minimum required, it can still hurt your public reputation.
Browsers don’t store the content, they’re merely a window into the internet. It’s not their job to police content that is not owned by them (though many provide optional tools to filter just to be helpful). It amazes me that people don’t get that.
SMS is pretty irrelevant. No one is checking your content because it’s (relatively) private. But if something illegal would be discovered by the company, then there is responsibility to report and follow protocol.
Social Media monitors content because it is stored on their servers and publically accessible, so you have a duty to know what you’re hosting. And the biggest players are held to a high standard. Tumblr was not holding up that standard so Apple booted them from their App Store. Apple would just as soon boot anyone else for the same issue (and has done so in the past). But the reality is that this is dealt with correctly by Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
So why are they focusing on one or two? Because they’re the ones who aren’t dealing with it correctly.
Let Apple find a child porn iMessage ring and say nothing about it and then see the trouble they get into. Let Facebook start accidentally accepting advertising to sell illegal drugs and see what happens. (Just making a point, I obviously don’t actually want this to happen)
We can’t be serving up child porn, but we also can’t take away people’s privacy. Once it’s public on your server, it’s your problem to deal with.
Tumblr didn’t. Others did. That’s the difference.
Best comment on this thread. My forehead is hurting from all my facepalms at these cringe-worthy comments.
I kind of feel like this is a prime way to actually catch these people and banning it shuts off that avenue. Obviously it can’t be used as a free vector for these pieces of ****, but it’s kind of like stopping people from buying 100 boxes of Zyrtec-D, let them buy it and then you have a person you can go visit. I don’t know, just some rambling thoughts.
You're new here. Apple doesn't allow adult content on the App Store. They have said publicly they won't be putting out TV shows or movies that are rated Mature with cursing and nudity. They take down political comic apps and anything they consider grotesque from the app store.
My point is Tumblr has a ton of porn on it. As does reddit. if apple removes Tumblr, they should also be considering Reddit apps.
This article is about exploited children but Apple's laws go beyond children. Any adult content is not allowed on the app store including apps that are a gate-way to sexually explicit content (minors or adults)
tumblr is like the myspace of microblogging.
p.s. Seeing as Imgur seems to be able to easily monitor things like child pornography, this seems like the right move.
p.s. Seeing as Imgur seems to be able to easily monitor things like child pornography, this seems like the right move.
This doesn’t really seem like a satisfactory solution if you have kids. Any gnarly sex term you didn’t think of is still discoverable. Basically, default-on. Plus, when they explore settings can your kid SEE those gnarly terms you did think of, let alone delete them?
The problem is most offenders get released into society at some point and they re offend.
There needs to be some studies done on their brains.
So the line now is hosting vs. not hosting the content?
What if Tumblr links to those unacceptable images instead of hosting it? Now should we remove it?
If MacRumors has the downvote function my post must have been downvoted to oblivion, but what I wanted to express is that censorship must be exercised with caution and the line to draw must be very specific.
I am not an active user of Tumblr but every time you hear about terrorist and pedophiles being used as a reason to ban something, you should take extra caution. The government wants to break all the encryption in your phone due to terrorists and pedophiles too.
The warm government of motherland China monitors everything of their citizen so that they are not affected by terrorists and child porn too. If the line is drawn too broadly, the fundamental value of our society will collapse.
If i have to sacrifice my privacy so that others can feel safe from the likes of terrorists and pedophiles then i am more than welcome to do so. In my opinion it is those who have something to hide that will shout the loudest regarding government intrusion into privacy.
In that scenario, it would be up to Apple to decide if they want to pull them from the App Store for that.
It’s not censorship at all. Open Safari and hit Tumblr. It’s still there.
The App Store publicizes content that can be downloaded to your iPhone. They are in no way required to publicisize all content that is submitted to them. There are specific guidelines outlined for acceptance into the App Store. Heck, Apple could even delete the App Store entirely and still would not be hindering you from finding web content.
Browsers on the other hand kind of have an obligation to be completely unbiased for the reason you’re bringing up. It is policed by higher entities than Apple. This article has little to nothing to do about that process so please don’t conflate the two.
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Eh, this is half-true. Apple polices Apps that have an entire focus on porn. They don’t remove apps for simply having porn on them.
The difference is typically how it’s handled. Does the App offer other content? Does the user have to accept that they’re over the age of 18 to engage? Are there settings to hide/filter this content from the app?
Tumblr has always followed Apple’s rules on this and therefore has stayed on the App Store. Them being pulled from the App Store has literally nothing to do with regular porn. They were solely pulled because of illegal content not being dealt with properly. You’re entirely off-base on this and unless Reddit screws up with child porn, there’s no way it’s being pulled.
Believe me, Apple knows there is porn on Reddit and Tumblr. They’re not idiots.
Which makes Safari the gateway search it on Google, which makes Safari the culprit too.
I don't know if you have been on the tumblr app lately, but you can't search for "almost" anything that is related to sex. The only way you will see the stuff in question is if you already follow said blog. I was just doing this and yup, you can't do anymore searches. Give it a try. I didn't say it was satisfactory, I was merely commenting to your comment of "tumblr can't" which it can.
I was think exactly the same thing, why punish apps for what users put there as content in the first place, and if so: please all apps including web browsers. This would be the same as banning Toyota from the car market because a child molester used it for its crimes.
Why? Apple could build in filters by default to block certain content, they just don't. Pot, kettle to my opinion. Btw, Tumblr does block certain content, just for them to check the age of every person in every picture is just as hard as for Apple to sort out all web pages on the same stuff. Anyways, I agree that social media does more bad then good.
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Than please explain why the Dutch court ordered several service providers over here (like Ziggo) to block the Pirate Bay? Service provides are also just tools, they don't host anything.
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That is not possible because web browsers are just 'viewers' to the data that is being sent back and forth via your network card. All the network card see's is 'packets' of network data and the web browser interprets this data into visual form which is displayed on our screens. The network card does not know what is good or bad data, it's job is to transmit and receive. Yes the data packets can have headers on them that defines if the data is from a secured location or not. The web browser see's this header and acts accordingly.
The only way a web browser would be able to filter out different types of pornography is if there was an industry wide changed in the writing of network data that put a identifying header at the start of the packet data telling it what the data was. The web browser would see the packet header and act accordingly. But this is never going to happen.
But as it stands at the moment, the web browser is at the mercy of those sending it data. it has to trust that the data it is interpreting/translating is of an honest nature. For example, you download pictures of cars, the web browser does not know the data it is receiving is that off cars, all it see's is network data packets of digital 1's and 0's and translates it into picture form. If one of the pictures happens to be pornography in nature, the browser has no way of knowing this, all it see's is digital data of 1's and 0's.