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tvOS 14 Not Supporting 4K YouTube Videos Yet

so people feel cheated ? 4K content but can only display 1080p

Perhaps everyone just has slow internet connections. (...it's a long shot)
 
The YouTube app has been all kinds of broken since iOS/iPadOS 14. AirPlay has so many failure conditions (locking the screen or unlocking the screen will halt playback, where it would play through without issue before, for example).
 
bn-7bc said:
Netfix might be head and shoulders above other streaming services (or they may not be) when it comes to 4k […]
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Good hedge because they are not the top. Independent testing showed that Apple TV+ serves the highest bitrates, sometimes even higher than purchased media from Apple TV/iTunes (which itself is a high watermark for digital purchases). IIRC Disney+ followed second and Netflix third.
bn-7bc said:
[…] but they still can't beat or in many cases even come close to UHD-BD […]
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This is the truth. You can’t beat the file size and quality of watching and listening to UHDs. If distributors would just sell the uncompressed movies in DRM-free files we could all move on from physical media.
 
jasonefmonk said:
Good hedge because they are not the top. Independent testing showed that Apple TV+ serves the highest bitrates, sometimes even higher than purchased media from Apple TV/iTunes (which itself is a high watermark for digital purchases). IIRC Disney+ followed second and Netflix third.

This is the truth. You can’t beat the file size and quality of watching and listening to UHDs. If distributors would just sell the uncompressed movies in DRM-free files we could all move on from physical media.
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I don't think you really want uncompressed UHD lets run sume numbers
Resolution: 3840x2160
Colour depth : 36 bits (3 channels of 12 bit/chanel, probably more for hdr)
Frame rate: 24fps (old motion picture standard used as lowes possible usable framreat
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ok that is only 895.8 MBps or 7.17Gbps
I'm going to go out on a limb (it might be a thin one) and say you did not mean uncompressed but rather employing some kind of lossless compression, in which case we are in compleete agreement
 
Going back to streaming v UHD. Unless you zoom in 500% and pixel peek the difference between modern streaming and UHD disc is imperceptible. In a lot of cases digital streaming is the only way you can watch many 4K versions movies and the digital often looks better when it is also available on disc because digital often has Dolby Vision.
 
bn-7bc said:
I don't think you really want uncompressed UHD lets run sume numbers
Resolution: 3840x2160
Colour depth : 36 bits (3 channels of 12 bit/chanel, probably more for hdr)
Frame rate: 24fps (old motion picture standard used as lowes possible usable framreat
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ok that is only 895.8 MBps or 7.17Gbps
I'm going to go out on a limb (it might be a thin one) and say you did not mean uncompressed but rather employing some kind of lossless compression, in which case we are in compleete agreement
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I am actually advocating for getting away from lossy compression. Sell me the reference grade file, pick a price, and I won’t have to re-buy a movie ever again. Demand creates necessity, we will get faster networks and cheaper storage if more of us have a need for it.
 
jasonefmonk said:
I am actually advocating for getting away from lossy compression. Sell me the reference grade file, pick a price, and I won’t have to re-buy a movie ever again. Demand creates necessity, we will get faster networks and cheaper storage if more of us have a need for it.
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Can’t you do that now with certain studios? I forget what it’s called but you pay thousands a month and download masters of movies around 51TB each. It’s for high end home cinemas.
 
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CBlakeston said:
Going back to streaming v UHD. Unless you zoom in 500% and pixel peek the difference between modern streaming and UHD disc is imperceptible. In a lot of cases digital streaming is the only way you can watch many 4K versions movies and the digital often looks better when it is also available on disc because digital often has Dolby Vision.
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Well so has a lot pof UHD-BDs and you get the additional bitrate on top, so when both are avalable disk wins, but yea streaming is good wen you don't have the disc, tbh I personnaløy only by discs for ththings i real low (still waiting for the single movie release of "Lawrence of Arabia", come on Colobia the clasick move box set is to vldy exspemsive, and all the work winvolved in getting it to 4k-BD has allready been done) but I digress
 
With Disney having shelved all 4K discs of any fox / Disney library content they’re making far fewer discs going forward, just the blockbusters of the year. So digital will soon be the only way to watch many films.
 
JoeShades said:
I would prefer to connect a windows PC to my Tv rather than a box that may get discontinued or not updated but it is hard to replace the remote controls that come with the boxes, there is no equivalent for a PC that I am aware of. I use a mouse when siting at my desk by sitting or laying on my couch a mouse is not feasible really
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I've been using a wireless keyboard+trackpad combo that's one rigid piece. It's slightly less nice than a remote control, except it more than makes up for it when you're trying to enter the name of a video in a search bar.
 
bn-7bc said:
Well so has a lot pof UHD-BDs and you get the additional bitrate on top, so when both are avalable disk wins, but yea streaming is good wen you don't have the disc, tbh I personnaløy only by discs for ththings i real low (still waiting for the single movie release of "Lawrence of Arabia", come on Colobia the clasick move box set is to vldy exspemsive, and all the work winvolved in getting it to 4k-BD has allready been done) but I digress
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Are they really going to be able to restore Lawrence of Arabia to take advantage of 4K BD quality? I can believe it if they use advanced ML techniques, but it still seems far-fetched at this time.
 
kirbisi said:
seriously guys, there are some who think 4k has no clear advantage on any ipad should have ur eyes examined. Even on iphone i immediately see difference just from 1080 to 2k. Point is, current upper limit of 1080p on ipad pro looks disgusting, its super annoying knowing what ipad is capable of and the fact so much content is uploaded in 4k. And if u use ipad solely to browse web, youtube and communicate id say its a Huge drawback that u have paid so much for a tech that is unable to work at its best cuz Reasons. Its embarassing. Every1 should bombard both apple and utube to fix this nonsense cuz nothings magical about crappy video quality.
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Yes, it's a ridiculous limitation. My answer is to just not buy the iPad.
 
FYI Youtube was updated to 2.05.01 for tvOS
Released September 20, 2020

I tested 4K playback with tvOS 14.0, no 4K. Now updating to the tvOS 14.2 beta (18K5027e) at the moment to see if that add it? Yes the PB is available.
 
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No go with tvOS 14.2 beta (18K5027e) and new Youtube 2.05.01 app. Still no 4K. I was looking at a 4K VP9 and 4K AV1 examples, see AV1 reflected with 1080P playback. So at this time not sure whose dropping the ball here, Apple or Google? :confused:
 
CBlakeston said:
Can’t you do that now with certain studios? I forget what it’s called but you pay thousands a month and download masters of movies around 51TB each. It’s for high end home cinemas.
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That sounds amazing, but not as a subscription/rental service. One day I hope to build a home theatre worthy of the 50TB files.
CBlakeston said:
With Disney having shelved all 4K discs of any fox / Disney library content
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Disney actually came out and denied that rumour, thankfully. There is a lot of Fox library content that deserves new home releases.
hot-gril said:
Are they really going to be able to restore Lawrence of Arabia to take advantage of 4K BD quality?
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They already did, it is part of a 4K Columbia classics set. All reviews say the UHD is absolutely top-quality.
 
CBlakeston said:
Can’t you do that now with certain studios? I forget what it’s called but you pay thousands a month and download masters of movies around 51TB each. It’s for high end home cinemas.
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Its called kaleidoscope. Its another very expensive DRM process with custom gear where you download very large files to get the equivalent of physical media. The problem with this solution has to do with authenticating to a cloud service to play files. It is not something that is transportable and capable of playing on someones else's home theater players. It does allow one a wide access to a lot of film and TV content.

Most have large collections of media and watch streaming instead, in this sense the Apple TV is the most capable of the set-to boxes aside from this lack of Youtube 4K support, but its got every other streaming host on it working well.
 
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hot-gril said:
Are they really going to be able to restore Lawrence of Arabia to take advantage of 4K BD quality? I can believe it if they use advanced ML techniques, but it still seems far-fetched at this time.
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Sure, if they scan the original film. You can do that at up to 8K resolutions though it’s diminishing Returns in general after you get to around 4k.
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So with the new tvOS update and the new youtube app do we have 4K now? I’m updating right now so haven’t tried.
 
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