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Tweetbot Developer Tapbots Launches 'Ivory' App for Mastodon

lysingur said:
If you can't win an argument, start making ad hominem attacks. Yeah, you reek of quality, my man. I rest my case.
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And THIS proves my entire point. All I was saying is that Twitter used to be, 10-15 years ago, only tech folks microblogging small posts to each other, helping each other out much like MacRumors' Forums do. At some point during the "political takeover" of Twitter, though, gaslighting started running rampant, not just lies or conspiracies. Then "the other side" says "the other side" is to blame and/or (proverbially) "started it".. Rinse and repeat along with any topic of your choosing. That = Twitter in 2023

Your first mistake was assuming I was even involved in the argument. Your second was assuming I'd care.
Also, if YOU actually care, reread my posts about this and how my comments relate to Tapbots & Ivory. Notice I don't actually resort to specifically name calling anyone or cutting a specific person down? Generalizing a large group of people does not include you in that group.. It's up to you to include yourself (or not!) in whichever group you choose.

I'm saying I like the group over on Mastodon, and Tapbots' Ivory will only make more & more people head that way. And the more people that DO head that way, the more innovation people will see in the long run. Twitter, on the other hand, will always just be Twitter. And no one will ever know what Tweetbot or Twitterriffic could have been. Due to one person deciding against it on a rash spur of the moment decision. The type of decision that can't happen over on Mastodon*

*again, there's a TON of servers/instances you can join, all the while you can browse any/all other instances and follow whomever you'd like. The tone is much nicer there.
Have a great day.
 
lysingur said:
You must be a champion of free speech to want to question the reason that some people have dissenting opinions. You must also be one of those few sticklers of good UI who migrate to Mastodon solely because Tweetbot got shut down.
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To be fair, when you're used to scrolling thru a feed and having your spot in said feed sync over to your Mac or your iPad, but then you go to an app that just loads up a fresh feed each and every time (for me, anyway) you go to it, only to just scroll down(?) to try and find where you were? It's a much worse experience after using it a certain way for 10-12 years in such a logical way.
 
gank41 said:
A true sign of what makes Twitter bad, though, is all of this garbage back-and-forth about how mastodon is bad. Who cares? Stay on Twitter then. Maybe it’s those kind of trolls the people that left Twitter are trying to avoid.
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gank41 said:
Your first mistake was assuming I was even involved in the argument. Your second was assuming I'd care.
Also, if YOU actually care, reread my posts about this and how my comments relate to Tapbots & Ivory. Notice I don't actually resort to specifically name calling anyone or cutting a specific person down? Generalizing a large group of people does not include you in that group.. It's up to you to include yourself (or not!) in whichever group you choose.
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Again, you reek of quality. And I guess constantly liking and replying to other people's posts doesn't mean caring in your universe either.😆

I should take comfort in the fact that it's people like you who are leaving Twitter and flocking to Mastodon. Had you been following news about Mastodon since its inception, you wouldn't have such a rosy image of the platform. Mastodon has been dealing with all of these problems I outlined since the very beginning. It just never found a solution. But hey, now it has quality people like you on it, I guess everything is okay.
 
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lysingur said:
Again, you reek of quality. And I guess constantly liking and replying to other people's posts doesn't mean caring in your universe either.😆

I should take comfort in the fact that it's people like you who are leaving Twitter and flocking to Mastodon. Had you been following news about Mastodon since its inception, you wouldn't have such a rosy image of the platform. Mastodon has been dealing with all of these problems I outlined since the very beginning. It just never found a solution. But hey, now it has quality people like you on it, I guess everything is okay.
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I joined in 2018, but whatever. The only accusations or name calling, though, aren’t coming from me and are generally not welcome around here, either.

Unfortunately, some folks seem to have confused “free speech” with the ability to name call and belittle. That’s been the general political theme driving that entire narrative.

I’m also not sure what you mean by “quality people like me”. I’m sure it was sarcastic & rhetorical, though. Thanks again.
 
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The state of Twitter

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stefanski said:
I have never really understood Twitter and how it is supposed to be useful. All I see when I open Twitter is a bunch of tweets and ads that confuse me. They are injected by Twitter and forced upon me.

Is Mastodon different in that regard?

Does it respect my choice and simply present the stuff I truly signed up for to follow? If so then that's already a win no matter how few users it actually has. If there are 100 actual users on there that provide some meaningful content vs 100 million users on Twitter where most posts are just about utter BS and self centered attention seeking noise then I know where I'll be found going forward. People seem desperate to gain followers on Twitter and they will do just about anything and everything for it.

Wwhat exactly is the benefit of being part of any of these platforms? I mean really, what do people get out of something like Twitter that actually improves their lives on a daily basis?

I'm really curious. I have asked a lot of people that question and nobody really had a convincing argument yet.

As somebody who used one of these things

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to connect to a VAX so I could chat at 300 Baud or 0.3kbit/s with strangers I feel like there was actually something to be gained by sharing knowledge but I seem to miss that part on any of the social platforms these days.

It's all about who's shouting the loudest to gain the most attention with the most controversial tweet.

Maybe I'm just getting old...
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I've always used lists on Twitter. They are great because lists always present tweets in chronological order without any ads.

Twitter lists are like a cheat code to the algorithmic BS you see on most social media.
 
lysingur said:
Content isn't free. Good content especially so. I don't know who you follow but Mastodon definitely isn't where good content is. And it will likely stay that way because, again, content isn't free and there is no easy way to run targeted ads or monetize content on a federated social network that is run by volunteer moderators who set the rules for each instance.
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Spoken like someone who never experienced Usenet in its prime. Tons of users, tons of interesting and insightful discussions, and nobody was being paid for their content. It was all run by consensus, and in a distributed manner, just like Mastodon. The path to a successful and thriving communications structure that is there, waiting for Mastodon to follow.

Also, "content isn't free" makes no sense in this context - do you think Twitter is paying users to tweet?
 
Something else to chew over, for those claiming that mastodon isn’t worth it because it has only a fraction of the user base of twitter. Reminds me a lot of the criticism about how apple has way smaller market share than android.

Christina Warren (@film_girl@mastodon.social)

The results are very close. I also polled Twitter (which had half the responses despite 10x the followers) and collectively we decided on Red Lobster. But I’m here for 8 days! Plenty of time for trash. https://mastodon.social/@film_girl/109786406375995731#.
mastodon.social mastodon.social

The results are very close. I also polled Twitter (which had half the responses despite 10x the followers) and collectively we decided on Red Lobster. But I’m here for 8 days! Plenty of time for trash.
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gank41 said:
Great! All of the folks I've regularly followed on Twitter that moved to Mastodon are still on Mastodon. I'm assuming that Scare Tactic tweet, run by who now? A Twitter Site? I'm sure they've got all the "facts" 🤣
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Same. Quite happy myself after the switch.
 
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What you think about Mastodon depends on how you use Twitter, whether you are comparing the services at similar times in their history, and your value system.

For me, Mastodon right now reminds me of Twitter in its early years, and that's what I like. So although I have live accounts on Twitter, I'm not using Twitter at this point. Management at Twitter is a huge cluster… at this time.

I use the web Mastodon client for my Mac and Linux instances. For iOS and iPadOS I use Ivory. But then I was a Tweetbot user in a previous life.
 
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kastorff said:
What you think about Mastodon depends on how you use Twitter, whether you are comparing the services at similar times in their history, and your value system.

For me, Mastodon right now reminds me of Twitter in its early years, and that's what I like. So although I have live accounts on Twitter, I'm not using Twitter at this point. Management at Twitter is a huge cluster… at this time.

I use the web Mastodon client for my Mac and Linux instances. For iOS and iPadOS I use Ivory. But then I was a Tweetbot user in a previous life.
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Same here. I am also using Ivory and I enjoy using Mastodon this way. I'm occasionally using Twitter using Safari, but for me the experience isn't nearly as good as it was when using Tweetbot.
 
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I appreciate the speed at which Ivory is adding new features also. Like that they added the ability to filter "doots" (repeat Toots) so I don't keep seeing the same thing boosted.
 
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supremedesigner said:
Lesson number one is never to name your business after an extinct beast.

Source: Wired. And that's to be expected.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622957306962141190
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It's the same reason Apple was smart not to name the latest macOS "Mammoth".

Most people on this forum who claim they're no longer active on Twitter will be active again by this summer.

It's funny how people in and around tech have become so coddled and conformist when tech and San Francisco were the sanctuaries of the rebels and the round-pegs-in-a-square-hole not too long ago. So much so that they don't want to "suffer" through the transition period of a company that has just recently been taken over by a new owner and new management and will huff and puff if there is anything that's even slightly not to their liking. They will even go as far as publicly chastising anybody who doesn't hew to the mainstream doctrine.

They complain about changes made to Twitter but will gladly go through the trouble of setting up a new account in Mastodon and learning how to use the new platform. Go figure. Objectively speaking, Twitter really hasn't changed much for casual users, which most people here are. And just to make it clear, you're a casual user if you're only following a dozen tech writers who have migrated to Mastodon because they don't like Elon Musk. ;)

A decentralized social media platform run by volunteers and doesn't allow easy monetization will always be niche. This is not to mention that decentralization doesn't make the platform freer. It just delegates the power of censorship to the moderator of a server. The more people try Mastodon, the sooner they will realize the cons far outweigh the pros of decentralization. Champions of decentralization forget that it's a means to an end, which is freedom of speech, not an end to itself.
 
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Some valid points made. However, I honestly just want my feed to be in chronological order. Is that too much to ask?

After all, Twitter wants its users to be engaged and communicate. But, if I can’t ‘easily’ see tweets from the people I follow, well, point lost…
 
circatee said:
Some valid points made. However, I honestly just want my feed to be in chronological order. Is that too much to ask?

After all, Twitter wants its users to be engaged and communicate. But, if I can’t ‘easily’ see tweets from the people I follow, well, point lost…
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9to5mac.com

Twitter corrects course on chronological timeline mistake

Twitter earlier this year rolled out an update that forced the algorithm timeline onto the homepage of its mobile app....
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You always have the option but it's now the default.
 
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