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I can't emphasize this enough, don't bother with Twitter's web page or their own apps - use third-party apps like Tweetbot or Twitterific. I haven't been on Twitter in a few months, but when I use it via Tweetbot, there's no "news close to you" and no "people you might want to follow", and no sponsored tweets, there's just your timeline with tweets from the people you follow. If you're annoyed by the people you follow, you, of course, can change who you follow. So, nothing gets shoved in your face.

It's absolutely worth paying up-front for a good third-party Twitter client, for the savings in time and aggravation (unless your time is worth nothing and you like being aggravated). My policy with Twitter has always been, don't follow a ton of accounts of people simply because you like them or feel you should read them, follow accounts you actively will read (e.g. I have a bunch of friends who are on Twitter - there's only a couple that I follow, either because I really do want to know everything they say, or because they post rarely), and follow few enough that the total per-day volume is something you can easily manage. If it gets to where you're following a whole bunch of awesome/important accounts, but they're collectively posting many hundreds of tweets a day, you can't keep up unless you devote a noticeable part of your day to Twitter. And for $DEITY's sake, get a decent client, so you're not reading anything on Twitter that isn't tweets by the people you've chosen to follow.
Oh good too know, didn’t know that third party Twitter clients were less “twittery”, thanks for the suggestion.

Agreed with the time assessment, my only minutes thrown to the “social media bin” are only devoted to the couple of daily visits to here, MR.

So, been years without launching Twitter and will probably keep it like that but if I ever take it back I’ll try one of those two.
 
so they are publishers? that would mean their governmental protections from being sued would be null and void! great news for a certain someone who just announced a lawsuit against them!
Who said anything about publishers? They're a private forum where people are allowed to post comments after agreeing to their terms of service. That certain someone violated those terms of service and thus quite reasonably got kicked off.

If Twitter decided that henceforth no one would be allowed to use the word "Tuesday", and anyone who did would get ejected from the forum... that's entirely within their rights. It might not be a popular decision, but they're not legally obligated to be popular.

This is, as always, quite relevant.
 
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Who said anything about publishers? They're a private forum where people are allowed to post comments after agreeing to their terms of service. That certain someone violated those terms of service and thus quite reasonably got kicked off.

If Twitter decided that henceforth no one would be allowed to use the word "Tuesday", and anyone who did would get ejected from the forum... that's entirely within their rights. It might not be a popular decision, but they're not legally obligated to be popular.

This is, as always, quite relevant.
It’s basically a discussion of safe harbor provisions. The interpretation is that the safe harbor provisions of US telecommunication law shouldn’t apply to firms that are directly exercising editorial control over content. That can be shaping trends, the blocking of certain news stories, algorithmic narrowing of your audience (not all your followers can see your posts) as punishment for the type of content, to outright banning. Theoretically (but IANAL, so I can’t say how strong the argument is), the reason for safe harbor provisions is that providers like ISPs can’t effectively control everything that happens on their network, so they’re shielded from liability for users’ posts and activities. But, if the firm makes moves to exercising strong editorial control over content (through directly removing or algorithmic punishment of content), the argument goes that the safe harbor provisions should no longer apply to them, and they would thus have the same liability as, say, newspapers. This would open Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube to stronger copyright violation punishments, stronger punishments for allowing extreme left wing speech while silencing right wing speech, etc. People who promote the argument feel that social media firms are exercising political and editorial control over the content on the platforms and that conservative/right wing users are held to different speech standards than liberal/left wing users (which probably is true, if you look at how often, say, left wing users tried to engage in internet vigilantism against people they believed, without evidence, to be involved in the capitol riots, while similar behavior from right wing users would probably lead to account bans). Part of the argument, though, is caught up in what the people who promote it view as unfair treatment of former President Trump, but also with fear of corporate power over speech. It’s a little funny to see right wing anti-corporatism on the rise as left wing anti-corporatism hits a nadir, though I agree with them that I have concerns over social media acting as soft enforcers of speech restrictions for the current political regime, in ways that it would be illegal for the regime to act directly. If there is direct collusion or anything that can be perceived as covert collusion between the federal government and social media firms vis-a-vis permitted speech, that probably would run afoul of the 1st Amendment.
 
It’s basically a discussion of safe harbor provisions. The interpretation is that the safe harbor provisions of US telecommunication law shouldn’t apply to firms that are directly exercising editorial control over content. That can be shaping trends, the blocking of certain news stories, algorithmic narrowing of your audience (not all your followers can see your posts) as punishment for the type of content, to outright banning. Theoretically (but IANAL, so I can’t say how strong the argument is), the reason for safe harbor provisions is that providers like ISPs can’t effectively control everything that happens on their network, so they’re shielded from liability for users’ posts and activities. But, if the firm makes moves to exercising strong editorial control over content (through directly removing or algorithmic punishment of content), the argument goes that the safe harbor provisions should no longer apply to them, and they would thus have the same liability as, say, newspapers. This would open Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube to stronger copyright violation punishments, stronger punishments for allowing extreme left wing speech while silencing right wing speech, etc. People who promote the argument feel that social media firms are exercising political and editorial control over the content on the platforms and that conservative/right wing users are held to different speech standards than liberal/left wing users (which probably is true, if you look at how often, say, left wing users tried to engage in internet vigilantism against people they believed, without evidence, to be involved in the capitol riots, while similar behavior from right wing users would probably lead to account bans). Part of the argument, though, is caught up in what the people who promote it view as unfair treatment of former President Trump, but also with fear of corporate power over speech. It’s a little funny to see right wing anti-corporatism on the rise as left wing anti-corporatism hits a nadir, though I agree with them that I have concerns over social media acting as soft enforcers of speech restrictions for the current political regime, in ways that it would be illegal for the regime to act directly. If there is direct collusion or anything that can be perceived as covert collusion between the federal government and social media firms vis-a-vis permitted speech, that probably would run afoul of the 1st Amendment.
I can’t say I agree with all of this (parts, yes), but very well stated.
 
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I always thought it was funny when someone shouts "They're censoring us!" while standing in front of a dozen TV cameras... and that video clip will be later shared on social media thousands of times...

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I can’t say I agree with all of this (parts, yes), but very well stated.
I can’t say I necessarily agree with all of it either, I was just laying out my understanding of the logic behind it. I definitely think that concern over social media control of speech is a valid concern, though I’m not sure what the best way to solve that issue is. Even typing out the comment, I was thinking “you know, this whole publisher vs safe harbor business doesn’t really sound like a silver bullet, even if I understand why people make it”. I could probably defend it better if it were a belief I actually held and understood better, but I don’t.

We should as a society probably discuss media concentration, including the ways the government enables it (relative to a free or mostly free market), and what can be done to prevent, reduce, or minimize the damage from it. (FWIW, in my opinion, state monopoly on media is just as dangerous, the fundamental issue is a surplus of control and a lack of voices, not really the governance structure or profit motives of the firm controlling media.) Usually the idea mostly applies to broadcast media, but it seems relevant in the social media space, as well.
 
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