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If the point wasn’t to kill 3rd party clients, they would have developed new APIs that were based on “newer” technologies Twitter “supports” to replicate the functionality of the APIs being retired. Removing functionality critical to 3rd party clients and offering no replacement can only be seen as an effort to cripple those clients. Twitter can protest all they want but that’s the reality.

But they have replaced them their usage is just very expensive as the apis are not designed to support client emulators and replacements.
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If you look at every single individual Twitter integration there is (sign in with Twitter, analytics, customer service, blocking services, etc) then this number makes sense. Tapbots is a single developer out of thousands that make tiny little integrations but still technically count as developers.

Not saying it’s right in justifying the impact, but that’s almost certainly how they’re calculating 1%.

And twitter has made clear for apparently 7 years now those developers were not welcome.

Arguing the merits of twitter native implementations is slightly off point here. I don’t know anyone who likes them. However other social media platforms never faced the same fragmentation of applications as twitter.

I don’t agree with how twitter is handling all this but they are a social media platform struggling to create revenue. Third party clients are not a reasonable route to that in the short term. As noted, again, developers have known about this for seven years so they were not blindsided by twitter. They have chosen to gamble on their business and making money knowing things might change at any time. Maybe if they took a stand at any point over the last seven years there might have been time for real solutions but they just kept enjoying extensions that they knew would not last forever.

These third party app developers absolutely share blame in this.
 
WHY aren't these 3rd party Twitter client developers banding together to create a new Open Source Twitter backend. They've already got the front end, the user experience, knowledge of the APIs... all they need is a backend.
 
Give me a timeline that hasn’t been touched and I have no reason to use a third party app.

This will not drive me to the official twitter app, this will drive me off twitter.
 
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This should get interesting.
I've worked on a social media engagement/publishing/ads/analytics platform before, with some well-known brands using our software. From an ad and engagement standpoint, no larger or international company in their right mind is 'Twitter only' or for that matter even Facebook only, and a lot goes into ad campaign planning, execution and analysis, as well as social media support and engagement. This is one reason companies use this party software, free effectively aggregate across social media platforms, as well as other media.

I've been out of that domain for a little while now, but we had several direct lines into Twitter, with rarely much hope of improvement. API limits would be hit for a single large customer while there wasn't a clean way to effectively handle limits per customer. Discussions on raising those limits seemed to lead to crazy costs that would have caused problems with our small and large customers alike.

I don't follow social API changes like I used to (have to), but for companies bringing higher engagement, more company posts and ads to social media platforms, this could well cause a lot of issues and ultimately, lower engagement on Twitter from businesses...businesses which ultimately are how Twitter makes a good chunk of any $$ they have coming in.

Make it too difficult on both individuals and businesses, and inevitably the platform dies.
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Costs a lot of money to keep an API going. Seems most here don't understand this. Lots of crying going on. Twitter won't miss those that stop using it because of this move. You were just a leech on their system anyways with your 3rd party app and lack of ads.
That depends on which APIs are impacted. For companies using ad or engagement software to work across multiple social media and other platforms, including comparisons across each platform, eventually they may well decide to de-prioritize Twitter activity (read this as reduced ad and other revenue to Twitter).

This isn't solely a Twitter issue in trying to force people to go native, but it's also painfully unrealistic for global companies using third party software for ads, engagement, brand monitoring, sopport, research etc. It will be interesting to see the net effect, as this third party software in itself drives higher business engagement and $ to Twitter than if Twitter or others made it increasingly painful to need to go native client or web onlyl
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It must not be the case at Twitter, as they're killing the real-time streaming API for 3rd party apps but it'll continue to work within their own app.

The pricing they're charging for the new API isn't insane. It's just not meant for your app developers charing $2 for a phone app. It's mean for companies like HootSuite, Buffer, Sprout Social, Sprinklr, and others who make millions each year from access to those APIs. They charge their customers big money (for instance, it's a minimum of about $60k a month for a single company just to get in the door with Sprinklr) and to this point Twitter has made little from that.

Bear in mind, no large company sees Twitter as their top target platform, let alone the only one. That's where some of the value of those apps come in, as well as managing cross-platform ad campaigns, brand awareness, engagement and analytics. Datasift and Gnip were thirdparty companies Twitter forced on other third party companies, as Twitter didn't provide the capabilities needed...and Datasift was certainly not cheap by a long shot for firehose data, most of which funneled back to Twitter. Meanwhile, Twitter API limits caused real problems for bigger single customers, let alone companies like mentioned above who are servicing hundreds of companies.

And yeah, Sprinklr definitely isn't cheap, but those types of software are servicing companies giving $$ to Twitter that might be otherwise reduced if forced to use only native Twitter tools vs a more centralized cross-platform third party tool.
 
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Bear in mind, no large company sees Twitter as their top target platform, let alone the only one. That's where some of the value of those apps come in, as well as managing cross-platform ad campaigns, brand awareness, engagement and analytics. Datasift and Gnip were thirdparty companies Twitter forced on other third party companies, as Twitter didn't provide the capabilities needed...and Datasift was certainly not cheap by a long shot for firehose data, most of which funneled back to Twitter. Meanwhile, Twitter API limits caused real problems for bigger single customers, let alone companies like mentioned above who are servicing hundreds of companies.

And yeah, Sprinklr definitely isn't cheap, but those types of software are servicing companies giving $$ to Twitter that might be otherwise reduced if forced to use only native Twitter tools vs a more centralized cross-platform third party tool.

Hahahaha, you have to be kidding yourself. As someone who has directed social media programs for numerous Fortune 500 companies (including the company who made the computer you're likely using right now and the one who made the worlds most popular operating system) can tell you that you're not only completely wrong, but that Twitter is the top platform in many cases (dependent on the campaign).

They're not going to simply give up on them due to this change and it's unlikely to have any impact on spend for most.
 
Hahahaha, you have to be kidding yourself. As someone who has directed social media programs for numerous Fortune 500 companies (including the company who made the computer you're likely using right now and the one who made the worlds most popular operating system) can tell you that you're not only completely wrong, but that Twitter is the top platform in many cases (dependent on the campaign).

They're not going to simply give up on them due to this change and it's unlikely to have any impact on spend for most.
Yay for you.
Twitter spend by more than a few companies has been declining for many for years. Not zero but not their top target and it's been dropping year to year. There are lots of different verticals out there and for some Damn big spending companies, that's how it is. I've worked with multiple people making the same claim as you (directing big spend campaigns or initiatives), using our software, and beyond the endless 'fun' we'd all have when Twitter (or worse, FB..) APIs would go entirely down, or customers wanting to do things just not available with Twitter, whether by non-existent APIs (for that purpose) or rate limits, we'd often enough be well aware of their spending by channel..

Believe it or not, kid yourself or not, no skin off my back. I can also guarantee you've purchased numerous of these company's products, but *shrug*. I'm sure you've also owned another prior employer's hardware at some time, who heavily used social mgmt software for brand awareness and support, and absolutely wouldn't go native for engagement. They had integrations into other systems of theirs and the cost of trying to integrate vs dozens of individual sources was pretty much a non-starter, as was the time wasted in using only native tools.

Had enough in the sovpcial mgmt company wondering if we 'should' drop Twitter support altoghter, which I always thought pre-emptive as there was still spending happening, jusr decreasing. Meanwhile, trying to get traction on API enhancements on behalf of millions of quarterly spending pretty much got nowhere.

Twitter has been trying to sort itself financially for years now. Time will tell if the latest changes are positive or not, but in this thread alone you have many end users ready to bail, and if the latest API changes also negatively impact software (some pretty big) businesses depend on, it'll turn into a double whammy. Reduced user count will lower spend. Make engagement and analytics harder and it will go down further, at least for some companies that do indeed 'matter' to Twitter.
 
I am honestly surprised no one has developed a platform to replace Twitter. As a platform it does everything to punish those who seem to help it grow, treating them as a nuisance. The second a viable alternate arrives I am hitting the delete button on this mob, as should all developers.
 
Yay for you.
Twitter spend by more than a few companies has been declining for many for years. Not zero but not their top target and it's been dropping year to year. There are lots of different verticals out there and for some Damn big spending companies, that's how it is. I've worked with multiple people making the same claim as you (directing big spend campaigns or initiatives), using our software, and beyond the endless 'fun' we'd all have when Twitter (or worse, FB..) APIs would go entirely down, or customers wanting to do things just not available with Twitter, whether by non-existent APIs (for that purpose) or rate limits, we'd often enough be well aware of their spending by channel..

Believe it or not, kid yourself or not, no skin off my back. I can also guarantee you've purchased numerous of these company's products, but *shrug*. I'm sure you've also owned another prior employer's hardware at some time, who heavily used social mgmt software for brand awareness and support, and absolutely wouldn't go native for engagement. They had integrations into other systems of theirs and the cost of trying to integrate vs dozens of individual sources was pretty much a non-starter, as was the time wasted in using only native tools.

Had enough in the sovpcial mgmt company wondering if we 'should' drop Twitter support altoghter, which I always thought pre-emptive as there was still spending happening, jusr decreasing. Meanwhile, trying to get traction on API enhancements on behalf of millions of quarterly spending pretty much got nowhere.

Twitter has been trying to sort itself financially for years now. Time will tell if the latest changes are positive or not, but in this thread alone you have many end users ready to bail, and if the latest API changes also negatively impact software (some pretty big) businesses depend on, it'll turn into a double whammy. Reduced user count will lower spend. Make engagement and analytics harder and it will go down further, at least for some companies that do indeed 'matter' to Twitter.

Just reached out to a friend at MediaCom, the largest player in the paid social game (if you're a Fortune 500, chances are you use them for paid placement). She confirmed that paid spend has continued to rise year over year. Additionally, Twitter's own revenue disclosures show that's true.

So while you claim that paid spend with Twitter has decreased for some, the reality is that it has increased. Sure, some may have decreased but for most it has increased. The same is true for every other social network.
 
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