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This I think is very weird. There are lots of good reasons to spend $8 a month, but paying it to the richest person in the world to support them is strange.
I feel it's less about supporting rich people, and more about making a statement - that you agree and stand by the beliefs / values that they espouse, or the particular message they are trying to send.

That's the delicious irony when people say "vote with your wallet", and then act all shocked and surprised when people do precisely that, just not with the outcome they had in mind.
 
Dear me, long tedious posts about the obvious differences between the platforms does change the fact that Twitter is enormously overstaffed, i'm not sure why you need to keep having that explained to you? The company is a complete mess.

They currently have more employees than Instagram, Whatsapp and Snapchat combined. All three have far more active users than Twitter.

500 people running Instagram but you can't run Twitter on 3000!?
You're the one who started the comparison, and clearly needed it explaining to you how the comparison was cr*p.
 
I see two issues:
1) those who can afford a monthly bill will get more visibility than those who can't; this is not fair, and will also cause polarization;
2) companies with a lot of cash will still pay 8$ and have bots managing the accounts.
 
The old way isn’t exactly perfect to be fair. Example:
There are certain public figures and companies that would want to be verified, but never had the option to or old Twitter rejects them.

Now they can get verified. Every human or an operating business/organisation should be allowed to be verified. And someone pretending to be someone else will probably break Twitter TOS and get their account banned.
 
People pay like $20(?)/month for extra features on dating apps..
If that money results in sex you would not have either, it is worth every cents.

I make another comparison though: I have a web host where I can host as many websites as I like with a maximum total number of 2^18 files. It includes unlimited email addresses and one free domain. It costs 9 Euros per month. So I can host several websites for 9 Euros per month. Compare that to $7.99 just for service that someone else runs.

I never pay for content. I do not even pay the German TV tax, which about 220 Euros per year.
 
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I feel it's less about supporting rich people, and more about making a statement - that you agree and stand by the beliefs / values that they espouse, or the particular message they are trying to send.

That's the delicious irony when people say "vote with your wallet", and then act all shocked and surprised when people do precisely that, just not with the outcome they had in mind.
The statement is not that nobody wants to pay Elon to run Twitter just because of his image as this reckless tycoon.

The statement is that you can’t gate-keep public discourse or account(identity) verification by putting a price tag on it:

The sales pitch states that your posts get more engagement if you subscribe.

This means that regardless of how important your tweets are to the public discourse your posts are less likely to be seen and shared if you don’t pay $8/month based off the (false) notion that only a real person would pay for verification and thus must be legit.

Furthermore, any politician or corporations can simply use their huge capital to buy thousands or millions of accounts and employ people or bots to post corporate or political propaganda in their favor. And simply because they are paid accounts they’ll automatically see more engagement by comparison to some single, independent individual who actually has something to say but won’t or can’t pay $8 per month.

With Elon’s $8 Twitter anyone who pays can get verification and thus verification doesn’t mean anything anymore besides “I paid”. But anyone who can’t or won’t pay cannot get verification regardless of whether they actually are a public individual that is essential to the public discourse or any other part of media or culture.
 
People really act like $8/month for a digital service is a ton of money.

People pay like $20(?)/month for extra features on dating apps..

People spend $100’s on virtual outfits and avatars in video games..

Some people even pay for Apple TV..
Dating apps and skins for virtual avatars in video games are not equivalent to the public discourse.

Twitter, on the other hand, is a part of the public discourse on politics, media and culture. Putting an admission fee on identity verification and post engagement means that those who can’t pay can’t participate on the same level as those who can.

You could easily argue that by not paying $8/month your free speech on Twitter is less free because then your identity will not be able to verified by those reading your tweets and Twitter’s algorithms won’t proliferate your posts as much as if you were paying.

When everyone with $8 for a subscription gets to be verified, you’re not paying to be as legit and verified as Obama, Cristiano Ronaldo, or your favorite Twitch streamer. You’re now paying to have a voice at all, to avoid being a complete nobody that nobody sees with no weight in the algorithm.
 
The statement is not that nobody wants to pay Elon to run Twitter just because of his image as this reckless tycoon.

The statement is that you can’t gate-keep public discourse or account(identity) verification by putting a price tag on it:

The sales pitch states that your posts get more engagement if you subscribe.

This means that regardless of how important your tweets are to the public discourse your posts are less likely to be seen and shared if you don’t pay $8/month based off the (false) notion that only a real person would pay for verification and thus must be legit.

Furthermore, any politician or corporations can simply use their huge capital to buy thousands or millions of accounts and employ people or bots to post corporate or political propaganda in their favor. And simply because they are paid accounts they’ll automatically see more engagement by comparison to some single, independent individual who actually has something to say but won’t or can’t pay $8 per month.

With Elon’s $8 Twitter anyone who pays can get verification and thus verification doesn’t mean anything anymore besides “I paid”. But anyone who can’t or won’t pay cannot get verification regardless of whether they actually are a public individual that is essential to the public discourse or any other part of media or culture.
The reality is that as a private company, Twitter still needs to make a profit and be financially viable at the end of the day. Up till now, that has been accomplished via ads, which IMO is a poor fit. Twitter, by its very nature, has never really been suitable for direct-response ads. It's intense and combative, and often tied to something that is happening in the real world, and these people are far less likely to click on an ad, much less interact with it, because that would only yank them out of engagement with their tweets.

This is the reason why its cultural impact vastly outstrips its financial results. Not to mention that people like myself who use Tweetbot have never seen a single twitter ad in my entire lifetime.

As such, I am more convinced than ever that the best alternative for Twitter is to simply charge for access. Whether Elon Musk is doing this because he too believes it's the best step forward, or because he is desperate for a secondary source of revenue because he just alienated all his advertisers, is immaterial. Sometimes, one ends up doing the right thing for the wrong reason and as long as the outcome is the same, that's all that matters.

I feel it can work because there really is no other service like Twitter, so I believe its most fervent and ardent users will stay, and retain its followers in the process. What Musk needs to figure out next is how to convert more users to subscribe. Perhaps some soft of tiered system?

For myself, I likely won't pay because I use twitter primarily as a news feed, and rarely ever comment, and I don't really care that nobody reads them (I have basically no social media accounts, and I am admittedly a cheapskate in such areas). But if you really use Twitter enough, and have such a huge online social media presence that your tweets do move the needle, then $8 is probably fair value for the benefits you would get.
 
People really act like $8/month for a digital service is a ton of money.

People pay like $20(?)/month for extra features on dating apps..

People spend $100’s on virtual outfits and avatars in video games..

Some people even pay for Apple TV..

The issue is that you don't get more of paying $8. You actually get a worse service if people start paying. The blue tick now means nothing in terms of legit content.
 
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The issue is that you don't get more of paying $8. You actually get a worse service if people start paying. The blue tick now means nothing in terms of legit content.
It means nothing already. You could get one previously just by knowing the right people. That's why some nobodies have it.
 
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”reward you with half the ads..”

LOL

Elon, even if you wanted to, you can’t serve us the regular amount of ads when a handful of the biggest advertiser have pulled out of Twitter.

And since none of us have a reference for what exactly constitutes half as many ads, the $8 fee should get me ad-free Twitter.
Be prepared for an influx of "raid shadow legends" and "Nord VPN" ads? :eek:
 
The reality is that as a private company, Twitter still needs to make a profit and be financially viable at the end of the day. Up till now, that has been accomplished via ads, which IMO is a poor fit. Twitter, by its very nature, has never really been suitable for direct-response ads. It's intense and combative, and often tied to something that is happening in the real world, and these people are far less likely to click on an ad, much less interact with it, because that would only yank them out of engagement with their tweets.

This is the reason why its cultural impact vastly outstrips its financial results. Not to mention that people like myself who use Tweetbot have never seen a single twitter ad in my entire lifetime.

As such, I am more convinced than ever that the best alternative for Twitter is to simply charge for access. Whether Elon Musk is doing this because he too believes it's the best step forward, or because he is desperate for a secondary source of revenue because he just alienated all his advertisers, is immaterial. Sometimes, one ends up doing the right thing for the wrong reason and as long as the outcome is the same, that's all that matters.

I feel it can work because there really is no other service like Twitter, so I believe its most fervent and ardent users will stay, and retain its followers in the process. What Musk needs to figure out next is how to convert more users to subscribe. Perhaps some soft of tiered system?

For myself, I likely won't pay because I use twitter primarily as a news feed, and rarely ever comment, and I don't really care that nobody reads them (I have basically no social media accounts, and I am admittedly a cheapskate in such areas). But if you really use Twitter enough, and have such a huge online social media presence that your tweets do move the needle, then $8 is probably fair value for the benefits you would get.
You are right on a lot of your points. And there’s no way around the fact that Twitter needs to generate more income to keep going.

Having every single user pay a few dollars for access while keeping Twitter mostly unchanged in terms of verification would be far better than what Elon is proposing now.

Maybe those who can’t pay for access (yes, there are people online who have less than $10 in disposable income per month) could have paying users donate access through direct payments through Twitter or through a sort of voting system where you are granted free access if enough users vote in your favor.

My suggestion would be to have all regular users pay some $1-$3/month for access. Verification only happens through a rigorous verification process but then you get free access as long as they meet certain criteria in terms of engagement on and outside Twitter, or through a voting system where users vote who’s important on Twitter.
 
I really like the new things on Twitter. Mr. Musk really seems to have his mind set on something and wants to make the world a better place. I think Twitter is going to change the world for the better and we should all get involved and subscribe and tweet there diligently. I feel happy.
 
The issue is that you don't get more of paying $8. You actually get a worse service if people start paying. The blue tick now means nothing in terms of legit content.
This is very much true for buying upgrades in games.

You buy a better weapon and so does the other guy and now you’re back at square one.

Just with less money in your pockets..

By funding Twitter you’re at least giving humanity the option to have public discussions even when the topic isn’t appreciated by advertisers.
 
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Dating apps and skins for virtual avatars in video games are not equivalent to the public discourse.

Twitter, on the other hand, is a part of the public discourse on politics, media and culture. Putting an admission fee on identity verification and post engagement means that those who can’t pay can’t participate on the same level as those who can.

You could easily argue that by not paying $8/month your free speech on Twitter is less free because then your identity will not be able to verified by those reading your tweets and Twitter’s algorithms won’t proliferate your posts as much as if you were paying.

When everyone with $8 for a subscription gets to be verified, you’re not paying to be as legit and verified as Obama, Cristiano Ronaldo, or your favorite Twitch streamer. You’re now paying to have a voice at all, to avoid being a complete nobody that nobody sees with no weight in the algorithm.

Having the algorithm funded by the users is still a lot better than having it funded by advertisers.

Having slightly less reach is still better than possibly being silenced completely based your topic not being in line with the agenda of the platforms advertisers.
 
Nice to see all the positive changes at twitter! I think most people are thrilled with the Elon Musk purchase and to finally see free speech on a social media platform...and if you disagree I would encourage you to reassess your own priorities.
 
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