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I believe any move risks jeopardizes the transition of print journalism to a digital medium. However, Apple may be trying early to halt a precedent from getting started: that publishers can use app stores (and not just the iTunes Store) to sell their magazines and papers with zero cut to the app store owner. Judging by some people's reaction in this thread, it looks like Apple should have done it sooner.

I do believe this will effectivly kill the very shy blossoms of digital publishing coming the iPad. Apple is making so much money of the hardware, I just don't get why they would want to risk one of the biggest sale arguments they have.
 
Exactly!

Anyone who wants a free-to-market solution can shove stuff onto the Web.
Hell, they can even get it onto the iPad! All they have to do is create a Web App. These are 100% free. Apple does not split revenues.

So why are all these companies whining?

C.

Ups, the only way audio and video can be streamed securely through the web is via Flash or Silverlight. Ups, I think Apple doesn't have support for any of those technologies.
 
well please point me to some evidence of apple not selling data to marketing companies like every other major company does as if this is the case they do deserve a massive pat on the back for been possible the only company in there position who dont do this

Apple takes your privacy very seriously. Be assured that Apple does not sell or rent your contact information to other marketers.

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20101203/apple-publishers-still-miles-apart-on-itunes-subscriptions/ <-----from December 3, 2010 regarding Apple wanting 30% from publishers and unwilling to give up data on its customers.

http://www.practical-privacy.com/2010/10/apple-moves-to-protect-privacy-of-iphone-users/

http://www.tosback.org/version.php?vid=352
 
I believe any move risks jeopardizes the transition of print journalism to a digital medium. However, Apple may be trying early to halt a precedent from getting started: that publishers can use app stores (and not just the iTunes Store) to sell their magazines and papers with zero cut to the app store owner. Judging by some people's reaction in this thread, it looks like Apple should have done it sooner.

Yes, Apple should have done it sooner.
They should have done it from the start.
iOS is a walled garden.
They have total control.
They can ban any app instantly.

Now, would you want to guess why they didn't?
It's rather obvious.
 
If you are reselling the content of others, then you probably need to rethink your business model.

C.

So you are saying, that every Record Label, Publisher, Distributor, etc, should pack in and close shop, because the only way to make profits in this future of yours, is for the content creator to sell directly to the consumer?

Have you any got any idea, of the investment necessary to produce content and market it? Specially during this transitional period where you have to continue producing both physical media as well as digital...

IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN in an instant just because Apple decided it was "The Time". At the moment, there are alternatives for this "Obsolete" businesses, and they will use them, at the detriment of Apple.

What can I say man? You live way further into the future than I do...
 
I do believe this will effectivly kill the very shy blossoms of digital publishing coming the iPad. Apple is making so much money of the hardware, I just don't get why they would want to risk one of the biggest sale arguments they have.

Again, I think precedent. They might be shooting themselves in the foot. Only time will tell.
 
Apple takes your privacy very seriously. Be assured that Apple does not sell or rent your contact information to other marketers.

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20101203/apple-publishers-still-miles-apart-on-itunes-subscriptions/ <-----from December 3, 2010 regarding Apple wanting 30% from publishers and unwilling to give up data on its customers.

http://www.practical-privacy.com/2010/10/apple-moves-to-protect-privacy-of-iphone-users/

http://www.tosback.org/version.php?vid=352

thanks for that had a flick through the first 2 seem to relate to stopping third parties collecting your info (a good thing) but nothing about apple not doing something with it , the third is nearly 4 years old so if they still adhere to this is another matter
 
Again, I think precedent. They might be shooting themselves in the foot. Only time will tell.

Yeah, I agree.

And I do understand it is an important subject for the appstore. I mean imagine selling a game subscription ..
I just don't agree with the way Apple went about it.
 
They should have done it from the start.

See my posts above that this has been no secret to the publishing world. Also, remember "the funny hat incident" when he met with publishers in New York a few years back before the iPad was revealed. I doubt he promised them a free marketplace then.

iOS is a walled garden.
They have total control.
They can ban any app instantly.

http://mobile-financial.com/node/3428

If it means I avoid the above, then all I have to say is Hallelujah!
 
So a website that is specifically designed to be accessed from an iPad, possibly only accessible from an iPad at all. How would that be any different from an iPad app? Why wouldn't Apple try to charge you for that as well?

Because there are two models for getting content onto the iPad.
One free, unregulated and based on open web standards.
The other curated.

It's not hard to understand.

C.
 
thanks for that had a flick through the first 2 seem to relate to stopping third parties collecting your info (a good thing) but nothing about apple not doing something with it , the third is nearly 4 years old so if they still adhere to this is another matter

No worries.

Here is their privacy policy currently posted on their site. It looks pretty good from the customer point of view, at least to me. It's also one of the reasons I buy their products.

http://www.apple.com/privacy/
 
See my posts above that this has been no secret to the publishing world. Also, remember "the funny hat incident" when he met with publishers in New York a few years back before the iPad was revealed. I doubt he promised them a free marketplace then.



http://mobile-financial.com/node/3428

If it means I avoid the above, then all I have to say is Hallelujah!

So, any guesses about WHY they didn't do it from the START?
Why would Apple say no to their 30%?
Why would Apple allow these companies to "CIRCUMVENT" and be "FREELOADERS"?

But then the answer is obvious, isn't it?
 
It sounded like it.

Any company that owns the rights to the content it is selling can make a ton of money by publishing on the app store. The 70% return is very generous compared to other distribution models. So if you are a publisher, a developer, a creator - this is a great model for you - and your clients.

The problem happens if you are a re-publisher. If you buy a bit of content for $1 and want to sell it on the app store for $1.05 - your model, which was predicated on free access to market, is unworkable.

Your solution is:
1) go back to your content source and re-negotiate your terms
2) publish to the web instead.
3) try to prevent your content source from publishing directly and cutting you out of the loop.

C.
 
Problem: Apple are being too stubborn with the 30% demand.

Solution: Sell your publications for a higher price through iOS than you do on competing systems.

Console games, for instance, are priced higher than their PC equivalents because of the license fee required by the platform holder from the publisher. In spite of this, the console market is a far greater sales success than its PC equivalent.
 
No worries.

Here is their privacy policy currently posted on their site. It looks pretty good from the customer point of view, at least to me. It's also one of the reasons I buy their products.

http://www.apple.com/privacy/


once again thanks for that as well,
there have certainly re worded it since 2007 and its a lot more ambiguous now. might just be me but i dont trust any large company with my data be they apple google or whoever. its a necessary evil that we share the info so i do when i have to
 
No worries.

Here is their privacy policy currently posted on their site. It looks pretty good from the customer point of view, at least to me. It's also one of the reasons I buy their products.

http://www.apple.com/privacy/

Apple may update its Privacy Policy from time to time. When we change the policy in a material way, a notice will be posted on our website along with the updated Privacy Policy.

So, at least Apple promises to post a notice first.

And

Apple facing class action suit over iOS data collection.
 
I think it is a good idea to have the agencies look into this now. It needs to be cleared up one way or the other. It is a new market and it doesn't do any good to have this issue linger.

To say there is nothing to look into is absurd. It matters not, what side of the issue you are on, it should be obvious this needs to be considered by regulatory agencies.
 
My God, the price of Xbox gold was exactly the same before offering Netflix, MS doesn't takes a cut from Netflix.

If one wants to understand it's not difficult.

That makes no sense. I wouldn't buy xbox gold for anything but streaming netflix from it. Why is it so difficult for you to understand?
 
I think it is a good idea to have the agencies look into this now. It needs to be cleared up one way or the other. It is a new market and it doesn't do any good to have this issue linger.

To say there is nothing to look into is absurd. It matters not, what side of the issue you are on, it should be obvious this needs to be considered by regulatory agencies.

agreed get some official lines drawn in the sand so everyone knows were they stand. lets hope any investigation is done fairly and no envelopes of cash are put into hotel rooms late at night Ala the Olympics
 
agreed get some official lines drawn in the sand so everyone knows were they stand. lets hope any investigation is done fairly and no envelopes of cash are put into hotel rooms late at night Ala the Olympics

And no bunga bunga parties...
 
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