This company is so anti-consumer it's ridiculous.
How is this anti-consumers?
You have to remember that developers are usually the evil party here and Apple does a lot to protect us from ever having to deal with the developer.
This company is so anti-consumer it's ridiculous.
The issue with this is the app store is the ONLY way to get software on these devices. At that point it becomes extortion of sorts, because there's literally no other way to do business with a large percentage of the mobile device market.
Read the OP in this thread for more details. Basically, developers will supply Apple with a report on sales, and Apple will send them an invoice.Maybe I am missing something here but how are they going to collect that commission?
Especially if it is a sale that could have been performed from a browser from any OS.
Putting it to you as well:
Add Paddle, Fastspring, Stripe and co. - to stop the disingenuity.
(We're talking in-app purchasing here, from within a developer's app that the consumer already downloaded, installed and opened up. There's no "platform" hosting or outside marketing involved as run and done by Epic, Nintendo, Sony etc. - or a brick & mortar store).
Very trollish behavior. I have never felt more ashamed to be an Apple user than I do at this very moment.
Comparing physical stores to app stores is like saying that Walmart should get 30% of every software purchase made using an iPhone because the original owner purchased the iPhone at Walmart. If that’s not the argument you’re trying to make then the two aren’t comparable.
That is why I was wondering if it is related to the Entitlement Link guidelines. But, Apple is expecting the 3rd parties to open their accounting books up and allowing Apple to view them qtrly. These companies may give Apple an accounting report to look at, but I anticipate Apple is going to only see a middle finger in them.Maybe I am missing something here but how are they going to collect that commission?
Especially if it is a sale that could have been performed from a browser from any OS.
Ah, some vague, unspecified findings of fact. Please tell me what they are, exactly.Ahh. Some vague, unspecified argument going "back far enough". The findings of fact in this case directly refute your argument.
Secondly, the way I see it it should be the other way around. Why are devs paying Apple to use iOS APIs if their apps make the platform extremely attractive to end users. You know what would happen to the iPhone if it had no third party apps? Ask Microsoft what happened to windows phone. Nobody used it because it had no apps.
Why can Amazon, Booking.com or Expedia, UBER, my bank and investment broker, the train company etc. all use Apple’s APIs and developer tools for frees (besides the developer subscription) - while I‘m spending thousands of dollars through their apps every year?
I surveyed the users of one of my apps and found that 45% had bought a tablet specifically to run my app on. So by Apple's logic, I should get a 30% commission from every iPad those users buy.
I have two answers:can a platform charge a platform fee?
Yep, suing and winning are two different things.about to get sued by their own government. 2024 coming in hard
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I have two answers:
1) Yes, but it feels icky if there are no real market forces at work to moderate what that fee is. Given the nature of mobile platforms, where the interconnected functionality locks people into one for years at a time (unlike, say, being able to buy clothes at Target and groceries at Walmart) it seems that some regulatory intervention is appropriate.
2) On the other hand, given the mutual benefit between hardware makers and software makers, it feels fundamentally unfair when one side starts taxing the other side to participate in the relationship. Going from a beloved company to a resented company among the people who build software for it can't be good in the long run.
A developer boycott would be an interesting development ... remove all iOS apps as a way to negotiate better terms. Right now we're relying on a few big companies like Epic and Spotify to push for change.
Entitlement. How appropriately named. Apple thinks they're still entitled to a cut of sales even though purchases are made without use Apple's payment system.
Sorry, Apple, but you're not handling money processing so you should have no say (or collection from) what people charge.
And don't give me the "well, Apple makes the developer tools" crap. Apple has to make their own developer tools because if they didn't, no one would develop for them, because Apple has burned so many bridges.
Seriously, Apple needs third-party developers a lot more than third-party developers need them.
Sure. Nothing vague or unspecified. I'm referring to the case we are discussing in this thread. Here's a direct quote from the decision.Ah, some vague, unspecified findings of fact. Please tell me what they are, exactly.
Not for apps or services that are cross-platform and also available on the web. But if it’s about that then why does Apple allow some apps to bypass compensating them? Why doesn’t this compensation scheme apply to Uber or Lyft or food delivery services?
Why am I free to install whatever I want on my $1500 Macbook personal computer, yet I am forbidden from installing whatever I want on my $1500 iPhone which is also effectively a personal computer? I’m tired of doing the mental gymnastics to see Apple’s side of fhe argument - it’s my device, let me do what I want with it.
Apple has still found a way to get it's cake and eat it. If Apple tries this entitlement rubbish on it's app stores in the EU they will most probably find they will be back in EU court again.
Plus Epic reported themselves that the Epic Games Store fee is not enough.I said we don't know (read the rest of my comment) how much Apple makes from the App Store. The commenter I replied to said Apple should have 5% fee (or at least a 5% fee wouldn't be controversial). I countered saying we don't know how much Apple makes so we can't say what the fee "should" be.
Are you saying you would still buy an iPhone if no non Apple app could be installed.
Where is my former employers 30% from Apple for the 10 of thousands of iPads that bot only to run its app.
Do you think people would still buy iPhones if they couldn't run Instagram/Tik Tok etc on them? Some would but millions wouldn't. So does Apple owe Meta and Tik Tok a cut of the profits from iPhone sales, or does it only work one way?