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As a long time Apple fan, I've never truly understood Jobs' and Apple's inherent desire to keep customers out of their devices. Apple has, at times, had brilliant design helping aid accessibility to repairs in many of their products. I think back to the 7x00 series, 8x00 series and 9x00 series desktops starting with the 7200, 8600, and 9600 towers. You push a button or two, slide the case off or flip the door down, flip a switch and the drive bays flip up and out of the way. The desktop even had a kickstand for accessibility. Compared to every other desktop or tower PC, it was sheer brilliance even as it was coated in generic beige like the rest.

A step further... the blue and white G3's which gave way to the varying designs of G4. Again, pull a little ring lever, the side door pops open and you have full accessibility. This is what is truly brilliant design. Not just cosmetic prettiness, but actual sexiness with ACTUAL usability. The functionality was genius.

Instead we've moved forward to a time when less and less is serviceable and upgradable by the end users. Jobs was a big fan of Bauhaus level designs like what you'd see with a company like Braun, or even many of Sony's own product designs. Yet... more and more Apple products are a function follows form vs. the ACTUAL philosophy of Bauhaus design which was that form should always follow function. Sure, maybe he more desired the cosmetic elements of their design... but in reality, the mission of what they had is the mission that ALL good product designers should have.

The M1 Macs with the memory inaccessible and non-upgradable is yet another fly in the proverbial ointment. Sure, it might help some with the efficiency of the whole package. That said, there has to be a better way that would be both more innovative in design and more flexible and upgradable. I can see iMac's with memory hatches designed on both the 24" and whatever the larger size ends up being. Better accessibility for RAM and SSD upgrades on laptops and desktops (including the Mac Mini which is beyond silly with how it's designed vs. the easy access of something of a NUC). An easier way to open the phones to get access to the batteries would be preferable as well. I think back to the Mac Pros with the slide in pseudo socketed SATA hard drives. I can see Apple providing a genius way to seat standard M.2 drives that are totally toolless and elegant in their function. This is the kinds of things that a post-Jobs era Apple can and should get right. I'd love to see Tim Cook take Apple forward in this direction. To truly take the best of Jobs' vision and push it forward with the level of accessibility that Woz (who always has embraced function to the utmost) and any excellent product designer would truly appreciate.

Lead the design world Apple, not be contrarian dictators to ACTUAL good design and what it means. A sexy coat of paint on a product that is inflexible and inaccessible and defeatist in its design motives is NOT good design no matter how much you talk Jony into waxing fantastically about it in a video. I love how Apple products look, I often find that they do not follow great design principles. Proof? The rechargeable Apple mouse that is unusable while it's charging. Every other mouse company on the market can get this right so that it basically becomes a wired mouse when plugged in. Apple? It is a turtle on it's back unable to be used while it sits there pawing at the sky hoping someone unplugs it and flips it over so it can be used again.

Apple is FAR better than an expensive set of wheels for the Mac Pro. It's time their design teams truly show their moxie and build the best damn designed products on the market and TRULY raise the bar. Make every PC gaming tower builder envious of what we have despite many scorning Apple while building in truly garbage cases with more corners cut than a paper snowflake makers convention. But hey... at least it lights up? *facepalm* Don't just set the bar, raise it through the freakin' roof.
 
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We only need small improvements to correct Apple's self centered, 1990's Microsoft emulating, condescending, nanny motivations; which are replaceable batteries; memory, and SSDs. These items wear out and need to be smart user replaceable.

Sure there are some users that should never even contemplate replacements, but it is not Apple's responsibility to protect them from themselves. At least not in a free and open society.
This is hardly a complete list. Or anything close to it.
Whatever is being done should absolutely not be limited to a few particular parts.
 
I think it has more to do with, if you don't use our parts we will make your device unusable. Replace a battery and they keep popping up garbage. Replace a screen and your phone won't work. etc.
This. Any Mac with a T2 security chip is effectively bricked if you replace hardware. Any time Apple replaces something, they have to run System Configuration which “optimizes” (lol) the hardware. Otherwise it will not power on at all. This includes displays and SSDs, and of course, logic boards. So no going on eBay after your Mac goes vintage. Sorry!

I doubt this will affect Apple’s trend of gluing and soldering stuff. As far as I know, there are no laws dictating how you can engineer a product.
 
I prefer the electronic devices I purchase to be reliable, efficiently designed, and reasonably priced. Redesigning to accommodate the ability to repair or upgrade a device yourself would raise the price, make the device larger, and probably reduce the reliability. I don’t think you can have it both ways.
 
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You are free to take your property anywhere you want for repair or service.
You don't understand "right to repair."

The whole point is that Apple forbids you to repair your device the way you want, because they will not sell you parts or give you schematics. You can't even self-repair if you want.
 
I prefer the electronic devices I purchase to be reliable, efficiently designed, and reasonably priced. Redesigning to accommodate the ability to repair or upgrade a device yourself would raise the price, make the device larger, and probably reduce the reliability. I don’t think you can have it both ways.
This is not asking for "ease of repair." This is asking for "right to repair," a different concept.

It's about the ability for third party repair shops to exists. For parts to be made available, etc.
 
I lost an iPhone 6 to an independent repair shop. New screen for not much money, new battery at the same time. Yeah, baby! Three months later after I moved to a new city the battery did that old expando thing, ruining the phone. Next time this happens? Apple Store for me.
 
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Talk about twisting my words. Apple can do whatever they want. I never even suggested otherwise. Apple clearly are stopping me from maintaining it myself. how can I or my local computer whiz kid repair it if Apple will not supply the parts? That sounds like a typically perverted American style of freedom to me.

Not to twist your words, but you seem to be saying Apple can do whatever they want as long as they do what you want.
 
We only need small improvements to correct Apple's self centered, 1990's Microsoft emulating, condescending, nanny motivations; which are replaceable batteries; memory, and SSDs. These items wear out and need to be smart user replaceable.

Sure there are some users that should never even contemplate replacements, but it is not Apple's responsibility to protect them from themselves. At least not in a free and open society.
Are you not paying attention to technology? Technology is becoming more integrated and less repairable, the M1 processor+integrated memory and GPU is a prime example. Besides changing out a screen, battery or connector there is nothing else to repair - the old days are gone. This is a stupid push by people that do not understand where technology is going.
 
Interesting, where are all the Pro Apple bunch that cries foul on forcing their company open to third party repair?
 
Good! Apple deserves a smack in the mouth
They ripped me off for a repair a few years ago, that repair failed in a little over a year and Apple wouldn't do a thing about it, not even a discount on a new computer.

I dont think Apple actually "repair" anything anymore. They just swap parts. And almost everything is swapping the logic board, or swapping a new speaker. Even changing the battery on Pre 2016 MacBook Pro they will swap in a whole new keyboard + Battery for you.

Which is why every "repair" is so expensive. And those parts are charged at the same margin as your computer.

On one hand I dont blame them. It is actually very hard to train a proper technician to handle these sort of job at scale. Swapping is easier. On the other hand charging them few hundred dollar for a cable fix or keyboard fix, blown capacitor is just rip off. There is a reason why repair shops are making most of their money from repairing Apple products.
 
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The M1 Macs with the memory inaccessible and non-upgradable is yet another fly in the proverbial ointment. Sure, it might help some with the efficiency of the whole package.

It doesn't really have to do with efficiency at all. The reason why they are embedded or soldered directly on the logic board is because it slim line the whole manufacturing process. Plugging in a SoDIMM LPDDR RAM is still a human job. The same goes to NAND / SSD.
 
I think it has more to do with, if you don't use our parts we will make your device unusable. Replace a battery and they keep popping up garbage. Replace a screen and your phone won't work. etc.
Not just the parts - they want the labour too.
 
It doesn't really have to do with efficiency at all. The reason why they are embedded or soldered directly on the logic board is because it slim line the whole manufacturing process. Plugging in a SoDIMM LPDDR RAM is still a human job. The same goes to NAND / SSD.
Incorrect. Every abstraction has a cost, at least on the M1 They decided not to pay that cost.
 
I understand why Apple doesn’t want “authorized” shops repairing their products. Someone at the mall misdiagnoses the problem, slaps in a cheap battery, and sends them on their way. Phone overheats, kiosk repair service is gone, and then they blame Apple for it. Of course this is a fringe case, but I have heard of people doing that down here in FL (a repair shop technician with his own business verified this).

On the other hand, there’s no reason someone in a humid, temperate climate should be accused of “water damage” and then being charged for a whole new computer. Or, hell, a faulty display cable warranting an entirely new screen.
what people want is for people to be able to buy a battery from apple so crap like that doesnt happen
 
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What about the small sweat shops for repair business in China and all across the world? Sounds like a controlled substance in the U.S.

Apple should just focus on making the devices more complicated to even repair them. Same concept can be applied to Apple products.

For example: You don’t see a Ferrari or Lamborghini at a small repair shop. They always end up in a certified dealership. Same goes with Tesla’s vehicle.
False. I've seen plenty of high-end sport cars at mom & pop shops; Tesla, Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche, etc.

If you're under warranty, then maybe they'd be required or choose to go to a dealer.
 
what people want is for people to be able to buy a battery from apple so crap like that doesnt happen

And then they see the price of an OEM Apple battery and opt for a Chinese knock-off. A repair shop trying to stay competitive with Apple is going to cut costs in either parts or labor. Since nobody is going to work for free, they are probably going to cut costs on parts. I think people need to dispense with the fantasy that they are going to get an Apple quality repair using OEM parts bought from Apple at a significant discount over going to Apple.
 
What about the small sweat shops for repair business in China and all across the world? Sounds like a controlled substance in the U.S.

Apple should just focus on making the devices more complicated to even repair them. Same concept can be applied to Apple products.

For example: You don’t see a Ferrari or Lamborghini at a small repair shop. They always end up in a certified dealership. Same goes with Tesla’s vehicle.

Why are you comparing a Ferrari with a stupid phone? I mean it is obvious you want the best of the best when you repair a super car but not a dumb battery or screen replacement or when you want to replace these on a laptop, I also doubt Ferrari block or throttle the speed in their cars if someone replace the tires 🙄.

No sense.
 
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This is definitely great news, although they really need to make sure they don't fall short like they did in the UK, where pretty much anything of importance is exempt like computers and cell phones.

What they also need to do is put penalties or disincentives in place for making things non repairable like soldering everything in. If you have to keep buying new computers and cell phones because they can't be repaired, what part of that is eco-friendly? Unbelievable.
Their baseline model's RAM and storage is their bread and butter on their line of laptops. People use the 2012 MBP to this day, because they just expanded the RAM and replaced the HDD with a 1TB Sata SSD. To the non power user, it's as fast as a new laptop. Before the M1, there was absolutely no reason why users shouldn't have been able to upgrade the NVME or RAM. They only soldered it in to upsell RAM/SSD at a premium. And if you don't, the laptop will be obsolete in 3 years, due to OS updates requiring more RAM and/or storage.
 
Before you owned it, Apple owned it and they were free to build the device however they wanted. You had the freedom not to buy it if you didn't like how they made it. Nobody is stopping you from trying to repair or modify it on your own or take it to any shop or individual that claims they can repair it. But it sounds like you want Apple to be compelled to assist you or whomever in making those repairs. That doesn't sound too much like freedom to me. That sounds like the government forcing Apple to be in a business they don't want to be in.

No, it's a government making laws to improve society. Freedom isn't all there is. Honestly i find this argument painful. Do you believe there should be no laws against murder because it hurts your freedoms and forces you into a life you prefer not to have. Do you really believe in anarchy? You sacrificed many freedoms for the greater good. What's more the government already makes and enforces many laws that push apple into a business that apple would probably prefer not to abide by. Taxes, import laws, IP laws, Trademark laws, minimum wage.

The government needs to hold companies accountable for valueless decision and processes that pose no value apart from to preventing third party repair, which is against the spirit of capitalism. Not only do these decisions force you into using apple services, but also prevent you having devices repaired that are repairable, or recovering data from said unrepairable devices.

1) Require all replacement parts to be independently supplied. (No more "exclusive" deals between apple and chip/component manufactures, and if there is a exclusive deal force apple to supply those components to the market at cost)
2) Prevent the totally unnecessary locking of components/parts to each other. Or at a minimum provide tools that allow those components to be re-paired when replaced.
 
Good to know that the Federal government is getting involved. And it's not just electronics. It's also vehicles, farm equipment, appliances, etc. Lots of unnecessary restrictions on right-to-repair.
 
What about the small sweat shops for repair business in China and all across the world? Sounds like a controlled substance in the U.S.

Apple should just focus on making the devices more complicated to even repair them. Same concept can be applied to Apple products.

For example: You don’t see a Ferrari or Lamborghini at a small repair shop. They always end up in a certified dealership. Same goes with Tesla’s vehicle.
A lot of Ferrari owners take their vehicles to independent repair shops that specialize in those vehicles.
 
No, it's a government making laws to improve society. Freedom isn't all there is. Honestly i find this argument painful. Do you believe there should be no laws against murder because it hurts your freedoms and forces you into a life you prefer not to have. Do you really believe in anarchy? You sacrificed many freedoms for the greater good. What's more the government already makes and enforces many laws that push apple into a business that apple would probably prefer not to abide by. Taxes, import laws, IP laws, Trademark laws, minimum wage.

The government needs to hold companies accountable for valueless decision and processes that pose no value apart from to preventing third party repair, which is against the spirit of capitalism. Not only do these decisions force you into using apple services, but also prevent you having devices repaired that are repairable, or recovering data from said unrepairable devices.

1) Require all replacement parts to be independently supplied. (No more "exclusive" deals between apple and chip/component manufactures, and if there is a exclusive deal force apple to supply those components to the market at cost)
2) Prevent the totally unnecessary locking of components/parts to each other. Or at a minimum provide tools that allow those components to be re-paired when replaced.

Good luck with all that nonsense. I guess the closer the government gets to controlling the means of production the better off society is...
 
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