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WTF! Don't the DOJ and SEC have anything better to do with their resources?

Apple took a reasonable approach to the issue of inherent battery degradation, albeit shortsighted in not giving users a choice. They are committed to regaining trust with both an at-cost battery replacement program and controls to let users choose to allow their devices to crash vs slow down.

There is nothing DOJ or SEC can force Apple to do to fix the inherent physics challenges with current generation batteries. And, should new batteries become available without these inherent issues, you can bet Apple, and every other device manufacturer will jump all over it!

I chalk this up to shifty lawyers trying to make a name for themselves at the expense of those with deep pockets.
No one is disputing that battery degrade in time. The problem was that Apple was telling people that their battery’s were fine. When clearly they weren’t. My son 6s is throttled and has never had any battery issues. Now he has to wait 2 months for a battery replacement.
 
No one is disputing that battery degrade in time. The problem was that Apple was telling people that their battery’s were fine. When clearly they weren’t. My son 6s is throttled and has never had any battery issues. Now he has to wait 2 months for a battery replacement.
Wow. I called and the entire thing was completed in 1.5 hours.
 
Wow. I called and the entire thing was completed in 1.5 hours.
Arent you the guy with battery recalled a year ago? I wouldnt be surprised of the minimal wait time if it was done last year or so due to recall.
 
I think Apple could have been a little more transparent about why they were slowing down the phones. I would rather my phone run a little slower if it's older then just die after a few hours of usage. I sell cell phones for a living and I can't tell you how many Android phones I see that die after a few hours of usage (and we are talking about 2 to 3 year old phones). People then complain about being forced to upgrade by said Android manufacturer and how phones seem to last 2 years or less. Seems like a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for Apple or any phone manufacturer for that matter. People just need to understand that the batteries in our phones won't last forever and get over themselves.
 
.....You do realize those annoying upgrades come with a lot of very important security fixes. Apple just like every other software vendor are constantly trying to keep your data safe. But you know what...... ignore the alerts. If/ when you get your data stolen.... you have only yourself to blame.
I wasn't talking about security fixes. They are necessary, and much appreciated updates.

My concern was the annual onslaught of pestering to upgrade to the latest iOS version when it is released in the fall. Which was also the gist of the beef the poster I was replying to, had.
 
The only problem in all of this is Apple not notifying people.

But on one hand, I can almost see why they wouldn't. People have a tendency to exaggerate things. I know a handful of people who, as soon as the news broke about the slowdowns, were saying "You know, I kinda thought it seemed a little bit sluggish at times" but then a few days later were full-on "My phone was SO SLOW I couldn't even TEXT PEOPLE without waiting AN ETERNITY". I can see Apple's hesitation to say "Hey, by the way, we have to slow down your phone because your battery is getting degraded." Do you seriously think people wouldn't still have accused Apple of deliberate planned obsolescence?

To me, Apple has already done everything they can. They've offered to replace batteries basically at cost (and probably at a loss once you consider Genius Bar salaries, deliveries, etc.). They're giving people the option to view and change the power settings. What more do people want? Free iPhones for life because of a 5% CPU speed reduction? Can you honestly show even minimal consequential monetary damages that you experienced due to this tiny CPU slowdown? (At most, maybe you could argue that those who self-upgraded their batteries might have a gripe, but even that's nowhere near what people are suing for in aggregate.)

I'm not an Apple "fanboy", I don't buy every single Apple product that comes out simply because it has the Apple logo on it. I have plenty of things I disagree with Apple on. I'm against the trend they've led to remove user serviceability. I'm against things like removing 32-bit support (I have apps I paid for that never will be updated that I can only use on my older iPads now). And I'm not saying Apple is 100% innocent. But I do feel this is being taken way out of proportion and at this point it's all just a money grab and a "let's see how bad we can make Apple hurt" campaign.

PS: To those saying "my phone shouldn't be slowed down until the battery is actually low", you need to understand how battery chemistry works. In a perfect ideal battery, the battery would be able to deliver its listed capacity regardless of the amp draw. An ideal battery of 1000 mAh (1 amp-hour) would be able to deliver 10,000 amps for 0.36 seconds. In reality batteries have internal resistance that limits the maximum amperage they can output. As a battery degrades, it's not just its capacity that decreases - its internal resistance also increases and thus its ability to provide high current degrades. Your phone will draw a high amount of current - even if for just a moment - when the CPU is stressed, and if your battery has degraded, the battery won't be able to supply that much current instantaneously. At that point, the voltage drops and the phone shuts down. This is what Apple is/was trying to prevent with the CPU slowdowns - it was all about limiting maximum current draw from the battery.
 
The only problem in all of this is Apple not notifying people.

But on one hand, I can almost see why they wouldn't. People have a tendency to exaggerate things. I know a handful of people who, as soon as the news broke about the slowdowns, were saying "You know, I kinda thought it seemed a little bit sluggish at times" but then a few days later were full-on "My phone was SO SLOW I couldn't even TEXT PEOPLE without waiting AN ETERNITY". I can see Apple's hesitation to say "Hey, by the way, we have to slow down your phone because your battery is getting degraded." Do you seriously think people wouldn't still have accused Apple of deliberate planned obsolescence?

To me, Apple has already done everything they can. They've offered to replace batteries basically at cost (and probably at a loss once you consider Genius Bar salaries, deliveries, etc.). They're giving people the option to view and change the power settings. What more do people want? Free iPhones for life because of a 5% CPU speed reduction? Can you honestly show even minimal consequential monetary damages that you experienced due to this tiny CPU slowdown? (At most, maybe you could argue that those who self-upgraded their batteries might have a gripe, but even that's nowhere near what people are suing for in aggregate.)

I'm not an Apple "fanboy", I don't buy every single Apple product that comes out simply because it has the Apple logo on it. I have plenty of things I disagree with Apple on. I'm against the trend they've led to remove user serviceability. I'm against things like removing 32-bit support (I have apps I paid for that never will be updated that I can only use on my older iPads now). And I'm not saying Apple is 100% innocent. But I do feel this is being taken way out of proportion and at this point it's all just a money grab and a "let's see how bad we can make Apple hurt" campaign.

PS: To those saying "my phone shouldn't be slowed down until the battery is actually low", you need to understand how battery chemistry works. In a perfect ideal battery, the battery would be able to deliver its listed capacity regardless of the amp draw. An ideal battery of 1000 mAh (1 amp-hour) would be able to deliver 10,000 amps for 0.36 seconds. In reality batteries have internal resistance that limits the maximum amperage they can output. As a battery degrades, it's not just its capacity that decreases - its internal resistance also increases and thus its ability to provide high current degrades. Your phone will draw a high amount of current - even if for just a moment - when the CPU is stressed, and if your battery has degraded, the battery won't be able to supply that much current instantaneously. At that point, the voltage drops and the phone shuts down. This is what Apple is/was trying to prevent with the CPU slowdowns - it was all about limiting maximum current draw from the battery.
Again we understand how battery’s work. That’s not the problem. Problem is Apple told people their battery’s were fine when they brought them to Apple for being slow. Reset your phone. Battery’s weren’t fine. Many new phones were sold because of this. Apples wrong
 
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Here it is, Thursday. Completely new model and sold 1 million less phones than previous year Q1.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/01/apple-sold-77-point-3-million-iphones-in-december-quarter.html
ASP was almost $800, so it appears the iPhone X actually saved them. The X must have been a huge part of the mix and the iPhone 8 disappointed.

iPhone revenue was a record at $61.5B versus $54.3B last year.

iPhone X was DEFINITELY a savior here. iPhone 8 is truly the disappointment. I am actually not happy with the 77.3M iPhones and I blame it almost entirely on the too boring iPhone 8.
 
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ASP was almost $800, so it appears the iPhone X actually saved them. The X must have been a huge part of the mix and the iPhone 8 disappointed.

iPhone revenue was a record at $61.5B versus $54.3B last year.

iPhone X was DEFINITELY a savior here. iPhone 8 is truly the disappointment. I am actually not happy with the 77.3M iPhones and I blame it almost entirely on the too boring iPhone 8.

The reason for lower number sold than last years Q1 was this year had one less week in the quarter. Sales per week this year Q1 is higher.
 
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The reason for lower number sold than last years Q1 was this year had one less week in the quarter. Sales per week this year Q1 is higher.
Yeah, but last year was the outlier as there are normally 13 weeks in a quarter. I know what you're saying though. Probably worse was that iPhone X was only for sale since Nov 4 and a lot of waiting was done on that.
 
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Yeah, but last year was the outlier as there are normally 13 weeks in a quarter. I know what you're saying though. Probably worse was that iPhone X was only for sale since Nov 4 and a lot of waiting was done on that.

the headlines first made it look like the sales slumped because of the million less number, when in reality it didn't once Cook mentioned the quarter had one less week.
 
ASP was almost $800, so it appears the iPhone X actually saved them. The X must have been a huge part of the mix and the iPhone 8 disappointed.

iPhone revenue was a record at $61.5B versus $54.3B last year.

iPhone X was DEFINITELY a savior here. iPhone 8 is truly the disappointment. I am actually not happy with the 77.3M iPhones and I blame it almost entirely on the too boring iPhone 8.

That's too funny, I love my iPhone 8.
 
That's too funny, I love my iPhone 8.
It’s a great phone, but they definitely saw much higher iPhone X demand than even a bullish investor like me expected.

Tim said on the call X was the best selling phone since launch and continues to be through January. He let that slip bc he’s not supposed to talk about this quarter.

It really speaks to the power of the iPhone X.

They also sold more iPhones on a per week basis than last year, because its 13 weeks this year versus 14 last.
 
You're one of the lucky ones.

26 days is how long between when I called Apple support and when I got a call back from the apple store letting me know my batteries for my 2 remaining 6s phones (that need a battery replacements) have arrived.
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It’s a great phone, but they definitely saw much higher iPhone X demand than even a bullish investor like me expected.

Tim said on the call X was the best selling phone since launch and continues to be through January. He let that slip bc he’s not supposed to talk about this quarter.

It really speaks to the power of the iPhone X.

They also sold more iPhones on a per week basis than last year, because its 13 weeks this year versus 14 last.

that doesn't really say much when they are currently selling 8 different iPhones. It probably should be the best selling one, since it is the newest. In a worst case scenario the iPhone X sales only need to be 12.6% to have that honor.

Since they don't put out actual numbers, we will never know.
 
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26 days is how long between when I called Apple support and when I got a call back from the apple store letting me know my batteries for my 2 remaining 6s phones (that need a battery replacements) have arrived.
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that doesn't really say much when they are currently selling 8 different iPhones. It probably should be the best selling one, since it is the newest. In a worst case scenario the iPhone X sales only need to be 12.6% to have that honor.

Since they don't put out actual numbers, we will never know.
You’re math doesn’t quite work when you consider ASP. iPhone X has to be more than 12.6% to get to an ASP of $800 and it logically would be as well since the mix is almost assuredly not flat across models that are up to 2 years old.

Do some weighted average test scenarios in Excel and you’ll see what I mean.
 
You’re math doesn’t quite work when you consider ASP. iPhone X has to be more than 12.6% to get to an ASP of $800 and it logically would be as well since the mix is almost assuredly not flat across models that are up to 2 years old.

Do some weighted average test scenarios in Excel and you’ll see what I mean.


Not everyone buys the lowest priced models on the 2 yr old devices. Besides that, how much are the 8/8+ models? $799 for the bottom storage on the 8+?
 
Haha and watch that share value drop even further, serves them right!

I cannot wait for the EU to start their investigation.. their fine will sting Apple!

The EU is irrelevant for Apple, for most part and they really don't need to care. So your "threats" (lol) of the EU being this behemoth in a fight against them are kind of... dead.
 
The EU is irrelevant for Apple, for most part and they really don't need to care. So your "threats" (lol) of the EU being this behemoth in a fight against them are kind of... dead.

So a few billion if fines is irrelevant, you DO actually realise some of these European organisations investigating them have the power to fine Apple 5% or some 10% of its global operating profits? Is that still irrelevant?

Stop being so blinkered and closed minded and elitist thinking no one outside the US matters! You would be useless running a global corporation if you go around believing the legal entities and consumer laws around the globe are ‘irellevent’.
 
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