U.S. Government Investigating Apple's Power Management Features That Slow Older iPhones

[Jesse Waugh]

Yeah it's a bit ridiculous. If you have any third party repair shops in your area, give them a try. Just make sure they have good reviews online and stand behind their work with a one year warranty.

I did - but they were out of stock. It’s a real problem.
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I actually consider admitting and apologizing for your mistakes is the most alpha move of all.

Not being afraid of vulnerability = alpha.

All this alpha / beta male stuff is pseudoscience based on an erroneous myth about wolves.

 

[WarHeadz]

I did - but they were out of stock. It’s a real problem.

Interesting. I have easy access to the batteries. Too bad you're not in California, I'd have you in and out in 20 minutes.

 

[ElRojito]

Please quote the section in which this claim is made.
A quick scan of the iOS TOS for iOS 10 makes no such claim regarding hardware performance.
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iOS10.pdf

Apple doesn’t post benchmarks. They promise a device can do a certain function, and they can alter iOS to make sure their hardware does said function.
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The government also need to investigate Apple abusing iCloud locking people out of their devices to force them to buy new devices even when it hasn't been reported lost.

But... this was started BECAUSE the government forced apples hand.

 

[Bawstun]

Really? Are you a lawyer? Perhaps you'd like to cite the specific law they broke and how they broke it?

Really? Are you a lawyer? Perhaps you'd like to cite the specific law they broke and how they broke it?

Count 1: Breach of Implied Contract

Count 2: Trespass to Chattel

Count 3: Breach of Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing

Count 4: Violation of California’s Unfair Competition Law

Count 5: Violation of California’s Consumers Legal Remedies Act
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Please cite exactly which law you claim has been "broken."

Count 1: Breach of Implied Contract

Count 2: Trespass to Chattel

Count 3: Breach of Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing

Count 4: Violation of California’s Unfair Competition Law

Count 5: Violation of California’s Consumers Legal Remedies Act
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Please cite exactly which law you claim has been "broken."

Please cite exactly which law you claim has been "broken."

The environmental group Halte à l’Obsolescence Programmée (HOP - Stop Planned Obsolescence) also said it had no plans to drop its lawsuit after the tech giant apologised for slowing down older iPhones.

“Apologising is good but nonetheless there were practices that penalised a great many consumers,” Laetitia Vasseur, the co-founder of HOP, told The Local.

She said her organisation would continue to pursue the lawsuit it filed on Wednesday against Apple over its policy of slowing down older iPhones allegedly to encourage people to upgrade to newer models.

A law introduced in 2015 in France makes it a crime to “deliberately reduce the lifespan of a product to increase the rate of replacement,” a practice which is also known as planned obsolescence.

A prison sentence of two years is one of the possibilities for those convicted, but Vasseur said her group was not particularly interested in seeing Tim Cook or any other top Apple executives end up behind bars.

“The important thing is the possible fine of five percent of the company’s annual turnover” which Apple could be hit with if HOP eventually wins its case, she said.

 

[makeintosh]

This has gotten beyond absurd.

Apple can do whatever they want with managing CPU and battery performance on any device at any time. It is beyond insane to suggest that anyone outside of Apple has any right to any particular level of CPU performance at any given time.

Tim Cook has embarrassed Apple by admitting wrong where none existed and has opened the company to undue scrutiny.

Are you on crack?

 

[AndyMed18]

So, here’s my issue with this. The article says “throttling at times of peak usage...”). My phone is nearly always throttled. I contacted Apple support. My battery health is 88%... yet I’m almost always throttled. It’s not a “peak usage” issue for me. It’s just straight up throttling for what seems like no real reason. It just seems like an attempt to skate by the issue that is most likely plain and simple throttling.

 

[Bawstun]

So, here’s my issue with this. The article says “throttling at times of peak usage...”). My phone is nearly always throttled. I contacted Apple support. My battery health is 88%... yet I’m almost always throttled. It’s not a “peak usage” issue for me. It’s just straight up throttling for what seems like no real reason. It just seems like an attempt to skate by the issue that is most likely plain and simple throttling.

Probably have one of the defective devices that has to be constantly throttled or shuts itself down. There is so much more to this story than meets the eye. There’s no reason to throttle the devices especially at 88% overall health. They’re covering for something.

 

[Photogdave]

Apple been doing this for while now and they finally got caught. I've had 3 devices become unusable due to software updates. Not the minor update, but the major. They can say anything they want, but we all know its their machine to push us to new devices as quick as possible. Now they've been caught and they've admitted to it. Although a half ass'd admission. I hope the investigators realize they use Apple products too and don't allow Timmy to get in their pockets.

 

[Tech198]

U.S Government won't find anything i wound think.... As it's Apple phone. customers buy.. They have a right to protect the battery whatever the cost.

I dunno how else you can force users to replace older batteries when they need replacing.... Perhaps iOS should notify you "Battery needs replacing" message on screen

Lack of communication you could blame though, but that's already been sorted..

 

[Photogdave]

U.S Government won't find anything i wound think.... As it's Apple phone. customers buy.. They have a right to protect the battery whatever the cost.

I dunno how else you can force users to replace older batteries when they need replacing.... Perhaps iOS should notify you "Battery needs replacing" message on screen

Lack of communication you could blame though, but that's already been sorted..

Thats it. Just have phone give warning that battery health is degrading and phone performance will be poor. Battery should be replaced soon. My 6s Plus is 29months old now. Its been drained/charged at least 900x. Some days more than once. Batteries only have so many cycles in them before they get wore out. This is my first phone i decided this year Im not upgrading anymore until phone quits. I always upgraded and Im sick of paying for a phone. I payed all three off in Oct 17 and Im not getting a new one until it quits or I break it. I even stayed iOS10.3.3
I called Apple other day because I wanted to purchase a new battery. I knew mine was degraded and I want another year at least out of it. Hopefully 2. I was unaware of the battery deal Apple had going. I was put on hold and pushed to the dumbest twit ever. They pounded me to death about updating. To her to f' off I wasn't getting roped in to that **** again. My phone works fine, the new phones just dont offer enough for me to pay another $850 for a phone. And theres not enough features in 11 for me to bother. The only way I'll do 11.3.3 is if I see its rock solid and FAST now that you can turn off performance throttle .

 

[Naimfan]

Count 1: Breach of Implied Contract

Count 2: Trespass to Chattel

Count 3: Breach of Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing

Count 4: Violation of California’s Unfair Competition Law

Count 5: Violation of California’s Consumers Legal Remedies Act
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Count 1: Breach of Implied Contract

Count 2: Trespass to Chattel

Count 3: Breach of Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing

Count 4: Violation of California’s Unfair Competition Law

Count 5: Violation of California’s Consumers Legal Remedies Act
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The environmental group Halte à l’Obsolescence Programmée (HOP - Stop Planned Obsolescence) also said it had no plans to drop its lawsuit after the tech giant apologised for slowing down older iPhones.

“Apologising is good but nonetheless there were practices that penalised a great many consumers,” Laetitia Vasseur, the co-founder of HOP, told The Local.

She said her organisation would continue to pursue the lawsuit it filed on Wednesday against Apple over its policy of slowing down older iPhones allegedly to encourage people to upgrade to newer models.

A law introduced in 2015 in France makes it a crime to “deliberately reduce the lifespan of a product to increase the rate of replacement,” a practice which is also known as planned obsolescence.

A prison sentence of two years is one of the possibilities for those convicted, but Vasseur said her group was not particularly interested in seeing Tim Cook or any other top Apple executives end up behind bars.

“The important thing is the possible fine of five percent of the company’s annual turnover” which Apple could be hit with if HOP eventually wins its case, she said.

That certainly demonstrates your (nonexistent) legal background . . .

 

[puma1552]

Bunch of old white men with no technical background whatsoever "investigating" something which they know nothing about and of which absolutely nothing will come, except a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.

Checks out.

Who invented the language you’re using? The phone / computer you’re typing on? The electricity it’s using?

What a bizarre response to my post. It certainly wasn't the American government I'm referencing in my post who invented English, the phone/computer, or electricity. And it most certainly wasn't the DOJ nor SEC, specifically. I hope you don't think otherwise.

Can't help but think you must have quoted the wrong post in your reply.

 

[mcnasti]

Only stupid people who don't read the terms and conditions BEFORE pressing agree are the ones that are mad. The terms and conditions strictly says " YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, USE OF THE iOS SOFTWARE AND ANY SERVICES PERFORMED BY OR ACCESSED THROUGH THE iOS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU". Honestly if you press agree without reading what you are "signing your life away to" you deserve everything that happens thereafter.

 

[ikramerica]

Probably have one of the defective devices that has to be constantly throttled or shuts itself down. There is so much more to this story than meets the eye. There’s no reason to throttle the devices especially at 88% overall health. They’re covering for something.

Yep. They are covering a defective design in the iPhone 6. Mine did the same thing. Randomly shut off at anywhere from 42% to 5%. Then plugging it in immediately woke it back up to the same percentage and then you could use it down to zero after you charged it 1-2% above where it shut off.

My 7+ hasn't done any such thing, nor my wife's 6+, nor my moms 6+, but every 6 in the extended family has this issue.
I upgraded mine before the iOS "fix" came out, so it cost me hundreds of bucks.

 

[Maxx Power]

Apple doesn’t post benchmarks. They promise a device can do a certain function, and they can alter iOS to make sure their hardware does said function.
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But... this was started BECAUSE the government forced apples hand.

What are you talking about ? Apple has ALWAYS touted benchmark performance to sell its devices, from the Macs to the iPhones. An excerpt from Apple's iPhone 8 page, right now:

"Introducing A11 Bionic. With four efficiency cores that are up to 70 percent faster than A10 Fusion. And two performance cores that are up to 25 percent faster."

and

"The new Apple‑designed three‑core GPU is up to 30 percent faster than A10 Fusion."

Those are benchmark performance averages. At the moment, Apple no longer explicitly states what benchmarks are used on its website, but they used to. At their launch events, they also mention (sometimes) what the benchmark program used to determine speed was (like GeekBench, for example).

This was a trend that as far as I can tell, started with Jobs. Those who followed Apple long enough should remember the whole PowerMac G5 benchmark controversy. Apple announced controversial to inflated performance numbers for the G5, which was then disputed and debated. See https://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/24/apple_accused_of_cheating_over/.

 

[Klyster]

Only stupid people who don't read the terms and conditions BEFORE pressing agree are the ones that are mad. The terms and conditions strictly says " YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, USE OF THE iOS SOFTWARE AND ANY SERVICES PERFORMED BY OR ACCESSED THROUGH THE iOS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU". Honestly if you press agree without reading what you are "signing your life away to" you deserve everything that happens thereafter.

I must be thick as a brick as I've never read the terms and agreements for a product..ever.

I might for a cranial implant or such.

Come to think of it, I can't think of anyone I know who has.....well not that they've to me anyway and I know some very intelligent people.

Then again, I've only owned used Apple products.

Yours stupidly,
Klyster

*Jethro Tull flute dance*

 

[2010mini]

Apple slowed down iPhones. As a customer, that’s not acceptable to me.

So they should’ve just let you experience shutdowns while using the phone? Let’s say it was during an emergency. Would that have been acceptable to you?

 

[Lilok]

Who invented the language you’re using? The phone / computer you’re typing on? The electricity it’s using?

Don't want to be a smart aleck, but language developed over time and electricity is a physical phenomenon

Only stupid people who don't read the terms and conditions BEFORE pressing agree are the ones that are mad. Honestly if you press agree without reading what you are "signing your life away to" you deserve everything that happens thereafter.

I see what you did there xD
That's EXACTLY the plot of the old south park episode HumanCentipad.

Im sure you read the terms and conditions every time since then , didn't you?

 

[Jesse Waugh]

What a bizarre response to my post. It certainly wasn't the American government I'm referencing in my post who invented English, the phone/computer, or electricity. And it most certainly wasn't the DOJ nor SEC, specifically. I hope you don't think otherwise.

Can't help but think you must have quoted the wrong post in your reply.

No, but it was “old White men”.
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Don't want to be a smart aleck, but language developed over time and electricity is a physical phenomenon



I see what you did there xD
That's EXACTLY the plot of the old south park episode HumanCentipad.

Im sure you read the terms and conditions every time since then , didn't you?

The English language was artificialized during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, and Western men did invent ways to harness and utilize electricity.

 

[Deetlebug89]

This has gotten beyond absurd.n


Apple can do whatever they want with managing CPU and battery performance on any device at any time. It is beyond insane to suggest that anyone outside of Apple has any right to any particular level of CPU performance at any given time.

Tim Cook has embarrassed Apple by admitting wrong where none existed and has opened the company to undue scrutiny.

I have to disagree, BUT ONLY! With parts of your post. FCC has consumers protected against things like this. And then Net neutrality (falls on carriers not Apple) and at the time of iOS 10.2.1 the laws were still in effect for net neutrality. So Apple slowing cpu in turn slowed websites. Sort of causing a catch22. I know. For 6s and under devices iOS 10.2.1 caused this so basically for a9 processors and under.
(Planned obsolescence)
Seems more fitting for this

Responsible disclosure, during the download/updating process should have told consumers. This was going to take effect. Then some would have upgraded anyways not caring and others would have deleted the update and installed a tvOS beta profile to stop all future iOS updates. On older hardware this would effect.

That is where I see Tim / Apple messed up.
11.2.0 does the same thing with Iphone 7 devices. Once again was we told by Apple? NO!

Personally I don’t care I have many iPhones... original iPhone, 3g, 3GS, 4, 4s, 5, 5s, 6,6+ 6s,6s+ 7,7+ and IPhone X ( no interest in the 8 series) all my iPhones are on original firmwares designed and released with the device (ex. Iphone 4 is ios 4.2) and a few are one update above the original iOS released with them. (ex. 7+ 11.1.2)
Purchased it with a broken screen and I repair iPhones / electronics so I told them let me install a screen make sure no passcode lock and iCloud is enabled and boom 80$ a1661(unlocked model) 7+ 128gb. Yes it did have passcode but no ICloud asked them to type it in. And logged into my iTunes handed them, $80 and away I went. Best deal I’ve ever got tbh and not sure I’ll ever beat that one.

But we as consumers, have the power to use our devices as desired... Apple has loosened its restrictions a bit. Look at Xcode and cydia impactor allowing apps to be signed outside App Store policy for 1 week of testing... (major consumer win) Apple knows jailbreaking happens and can do nothing about it. Why, courts decided your device can run anything you wish to install ( legally ) so don’t pirate apps and your 100% legal to use your phone as you desire...

Apple loves security so of corse they will patch any glitches and exploits used to create a jailbreak.

But, if not for the laws above to protect us users ios would update itself. No warning no asking just simply would do it... but they can’t and they know this.


“Your statement”

It is beyond insane to suggest that anyone outside of Apple has any right to any particular level of CPU performance at any given time.

Web based exploits do still exist and not all are released to the public... so (I’m a jailbreaker) “maybe you have figured this out” or maybe not. But from os2-ios 11 every device I have is jailbroken

You connect your iPhone to WiFi. Go to sleep as always feeling your iOS device is invincible... let’s say I or another person already have your I.P.

I open my computer, send your IP address mostly the WiFi router a code, ( a special message that only iOS devices will recognize and install),airplane mode turned off whatever it doesn’t matter. It will turn it on and allow my exploit to work. Then bam remotely jailbroken...

Original iPhone default password is alpine. And guess what all other iPhone root passwords are (correct alpine)

ALL IPHONES FROM ORGINAL - iPhonex

So I
Open terminal on my computer (Mac) or if I want use winspc (windows)

Simply type a port number to link into your device. A bash command to link
And finally a username of root with password of alpine.

in 10-15 min as you sleep I install open ssh and Mterminal hide some apps on springboard and in settings so you never even know it happened...

Then.
Using Mterminal and some bash commands

I type su (super user) if you didn’t know
It’s asks for password: alpine and hit return.

Then I’m at your iPhones/ root#
type passwd I hit return after everything
“Changing root password appears”
Type new password *** or any I want
Confirm new password *** done
I see iPhone /bar/mobile root#
Type: mobile passwd
Changing mobile password
Enter new password *****
Renter new password *****

And I’m done

Killall SpringBoard restart device and I can access anything I want at any time.

Var/mobile/Media/DCIM

Apple 100 folder inside will have all your pics,
Another folder with downloads
Another with documents
And all other files held inside your iOS device.

SO NEVER! Say Apple only has control like that...

I will disclose some sequences were shortened and made simpler to read... without going into major details

But I also promise I will never do this to you or anyone’s device without written or text message consent...

So sleep safe... I only want you to know I could slow your cpu to where you would want to throw it against a wall. And I’m 220% not Apple but do love IOS and Apple products.

I HAAATE STOCK IOS THO! But I’m never on it... been playing this game with Apple too long, even have a number of my own. Exploits up my sleeves... but they need to up the ios bounty program $$$$$ if they want my 0 days

 

[Hieveryone]

So they should’ve just let you experience shutdowns while using the phone? Let’s say it was during an emergency. Would that have been acceptable to you?

I mean there’s a lot of things that aren’t acceptable and slowing down old iPhones is one of them.

Would Steve wanted us to settle?

 

[macs4nw]

There should be an investigation regarding manipulation to the public for unnecessary upgrades. For example, I want to make a back up of my iPhone X, but my mac is asking me to upgrade the entire OS just to do that, why? I have Sierra and works great, I do not need to upgrade my system for something as trivial as a back up. It will affect the performance of my computer to worst installing crap I do not need and affecting other softwares.

The same with my iPhone 5. Yahoo needed for me to install new OS and other applications too, why? what processing I need to read a text message?

So all that is pushing you to upgrade to things you do not need. Then Apple comes and tell their share holders "everybody is running the new OS", but is not because people need it or loves it, is because Apple is making me, almost like black mailing me.

This. My pet peeve as well. And please stop the incessant and annoying upgrade reminders.

 

[ColdShadow]

This has gotten beyond absurd.

Apple can do whatever they want with managing CPU and battery performance on any device at any time. It is beyond insane to suggest that anyone outside of Apple has any right to any particular level of CPU performance at any given time.

Tim Cook has embarrassed Apple by admitting wrong where none existed and has opened the company to undue scrutiny.

No they can't.
once they sell a product with certain advertised features (ex battery life, speed and performance) and someone buys that product, it becomes buyers property not Apple's,and owner has every right to be annoyed and to took action if Apple removes or reduces advertised features -specially secretly- without explaining the reasons to them before.
it's submissive and naive mentality of likes of you that lets these companies to misuse consumers and suck them dry.

 

[Phonephreak]

U.S Government won't find anything i wound think.... As it's Apple phone. customers buy.. They have a right to protect the battery whatever the cost.

I dunno how else you can force users to replace older batteries when they need replacing.... Perhaps iOS should notify you "Battery needs replacing" message on screen

Lack of communication you could blame though, but that's already been sorted..

Sorted out yes to a degree
Penalty phase next

 

[MrBat]

NOBODY would accuse Musk of having FOCUS. That's not the way he runs. And if you're bitching about an insignificant slowdown in phone operation, I'd like to see how you take the miserable quality of one of his cars, for instance.

I like the guy, but no, he's not the one.

Where I'm "bitching" about phone slowdowns? Can't recall complaining about this anytime soon. Sure I can complain about it, if that makes you happy.

Musk has displayed over and over again being more than capable to focus on many things at the same time. What's he's achieved very few have or will. About his cars, sure, like with every new product there's issues. Will you also complain about Volkswagen, Tata and Intel, for example? on very lousy issues on their product line?