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This is simply the government stating that they will play no part in making criminals out of people that use their hardware the way they want.

This is government DE-regulation.

Thank you, glad somebody gets it. By passing the DMCA, the government massively interfered in the free market by essentially allowing companies to declare that any unapproved use of products they sell is a federal crime. Today's statement is a small step toward undoing that. Of course the ideal solution would be to repeal the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA entirely, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
I wish the government would leave Apple alone. When it comes to government, less is more.

Holy frickin' Cthulhu, this is less government! This is de-regulation! This is government getting out of the business of saying what is legal to do with one's own phone!

Put simply, this is the government saying that the DMCA, one of the most intrusive pieces of government legislation of the past few decades, does not apply to jailbreaking. It doesn't say that Apple must allow jailbreaking, just that it is not illegal to do so. It leaves the matter to the contract between Apple and its customers, just as small government proponents should want.

Honestly, can't libertarians and anti-Obamaites actually read?
 
The problem with this is, Apple has set up a environment where they can control the quality of the product after it has left the hands of any Apple employee, and entered the hands of the user. If the user takes that product home, and jailbreaking - some third party's work - screws up that user's product, why should Apple help the user, when the third party is to blame, and neither Apple or the third party can affect one another?

They don't have to. If you install random third party software on your Mac and it causes problems, Apple won't support you either. I have no idea what your problem is, when users have been able to do whatever they want with Macs for decades without the sky falling.
 
Exactly...it is clarifying a gray area in the law...now it's pretty black and white when it comes to jailbreaking. To those complaining about government intrusion....shut up...I would love it if the DMCA didn't exist...but it does, and we have to live with it.

I would tell people that business (Studios, Music groups, et al) got exactly what they paid for (in lobbying) with the DCMA, and now the consumer is getting a bit of a roll back from the Federal Government. This is how the system works and is a counter example of corporatism in the first world.

This is a good thing, but I certainly won't be taking advantage of this and neither will most iPhone/smartphone owners either.

Unlocking, on the other hand, is the freedom to take your device and your business to the best provider.
 
My 0.02 cents. Why can't the government protect its citizens rights. America was built upon Freedom, and now we have this company creating an entire ecosystem of proprietary add ons? And if the Devteam decides to become an enterprise they can be sued under DMCA? Now the government just told everybody that if you want to create an enterprise that wants to develop, sell or give Iphone users the possibility of having their phones with another OS, applications, etc...you can. If there are customers that are willing to pay for it, use it, it is their choice. For the ones that wants to continue on the Apple ecosystem, they are also free to continue there as well.

The implications that I see, is that we will see more apps that although does not break the law, will impose a large toll on the Network side, like tethering and that probably is not being controlled by the DMCA.

Using an analogy, if you buy a Honda Civic, and decided to install a dual turbo on it, get new dials, and so on, you are entitled to. Honda will make its warranty to the parts of the car that you haven't touched right? That's what I think Apple should do, also, if you have installed a dual turbo on your car, it is understandable that you will be racing. Now if you race on the track is all good, if you race on the street, it has nothing to do with your relationship with Honda, you are breaking another contract, with the law that your government has stipulated.

It is all good, it will only allow other companies to tackle on the Iphone, it is up to you to buy from those companies or not.
 
I think that to the general consumer, this will have a negative effect. It opens the door to even more wide spread app stealing and piracy.

If you're a individual software developer that needs to put food on the table, or a big company deciding to make a big bet on iOS -- this just made the platform a whole lot riskier to build for.

If jail breakers become more brazen because of this ruling, and jail breaking becomes more wide spread, companies/developers will be forced to look elsewhere for revenue.

It doesn't make jailbreakers any more brazen at all. There is zero additional risks to developers and no consumer detriment. Jailbreaking had effectively zero legal risk before and it has a certain zero legal risk now.
 
Holy frickin' Cthulhu, this is less government! This is de-regulation! This is government getting out of the business of saying what is legal to do with one's own phone!

Put simply, this is the government saying that the DMCA, one of the most intrusive pieces of government legislation of the past few decades, does not apply to jailbreaking. It doesn't say that Apple must allow jailbreaking, just that it is not illegal to do so. It leaves the matter to the contract between Apple and its customers, just as small government proponents should want.

Honestly, can't libertarians and anti-Obamaites actually read?

Then in that case, I'm all for it.
 
Wait.. It is/was illegal to jailbreak your iPhone?

Yes. The DMCA outlaws circumvention of effective technical measures protecting copyrighted works, with some exceptions. Jailbreaking is now an exception.

Of course, the underlying work is still copyrighted, so you are still subject to copyright law and to any applicable license agreements.
 
If 99% of owners will never jailbreak and the other 1% are diligent in their research and upkeep, as Nagromme suggests, why are so many people here, on both sides, getting their panties in a wad over the gov'ts latest non-decision?
 
Holy frickin' Cthulhu, Honestly, can't libertarians and anti-Obamaites actually read?


We can read very well, thank you. We can also count: 909 more days.

I wonder if Apple will respond publicly about this or if it is even an issue. I feel like this ruling still gives big companies a lot of wiggle room, which is fine with me.
 
The Malware and Virus argument I don't buy. Just like on a PC if a company gives you the ability to make decisions on what to download, make sure you are making an informed decisions. Windows 75% of the time isn't the issue... its the person using it.

I agree with you and having the walled garden doesn't protect against malware to begin with. Just last week someone managed to sneak a tethering app under the guise of a flashlight app. So much for 'reviewing' the apps prior to allowing them in app store.
 
Holy frickin' Cthulhu, this is less government! This is de-regulation! This is government getting out of the business of saying what is legal to do with one's own phone!

Put simply, this is the government saying that the DMCA, one of the most intrusive pieces of government legislation of the past few decades, does not apply to jailbreaking. It doesn't say that Apple must allow jailbreaking, just that it is not illegal to do so. It leaves the matter to the contract between Apple and its customers, just as small government proponents should want.

Honestly, can't libertarians and anti-Obamaites actually read?

Can't you PrObomites NOT use ROllERcoASter fonts?!!1!?

Your otherwise intelligent argument is hereby null and void.

They don't have to. If you install random third party software on your Mac and it causes problems, Apple won't support you either. I have no idea what your problem is, when users have been able to do whatever they want with Macs for decades without the sky falling.

Right and wrong. Apple Store employees have always helped work out kinks regarding third party software, but if it royally bonks the system to death, THEN it's my fault, which I can accept, because I did it.

I can also accept responsibility for my iPhone. You know the difference though? The computer market it not controlled the same as the cellular market. While Smartphones may be like little computers, multiple companies work together to make these things what they are, both put them under longstanding contract (which your standard computer is not), and you are set to agree by terms of acceptable and unacceptable use.

Sure this is nothing new, but my problem isn't in regard to anything you said. In fact, I moreso agree with you.

In the words of Cal Naughton Jr., "I'm confused by your tactics."

We can read very well, thank you. We can also count: 909 more days.

I just mentally noted to make a countdown clock in the near future.
 
Actually, the DMCA has long made it illegal to circumvent the kind of controls removed by jailbreaks. There has been an exception for jailbreaking only to effect a carrier unlock. Jailbreaking to allow the installation of unapproved third-party apps remained illegal. Basically, this decision makes it legal under the DMCA to circumvent encryption to jailbreak phones for reasons other than effecting a carrier unlock. It's great news, even if it doesn't change anything practically.

Agreed. We had a thread here awhile back talking about the legality of jailbreak to install apps not authorized by Apple. Prior to today, there was nothing in the books that made it legal to jailbreak for this purpose. Now there is, which is actually great news for the jailbreak community as well as many developers. In fact, it may entice even more developers to develop apps for the iPhone outside of the developers agreement constraints, which can only mean even more reason to jailbreak the iPhone. :D
 
If 99% of owners will never jailbreak and the other 1% are diligent in their research and upkeep, as Nagromme suggests, why are so many people here, on both sides, getting their panties in a wad over the gov'ts latest non-decision?

it is all about UNLOCKing not so much about jailbreaking itself
 
If 99% of owners will never jailbreak and the other 1% are diligent in their research and upkeep, as Nagromme suggests, why are so many people here, on both sides, getting their panties in a wad over the gov'ts latest non-decision?

The big deal here is that this decision takes something that was in a grey area (jailbreaking/unlocking) and makes it completely legal. This means that companies can now offer up a jailbreak solution. For example, Google could offer up a combo jailbreak/GV installer and Apple would have no recourse except to tell users that they may not service the iPhone if they use the Google app.
 
So when do we get need I say it, should I say it, Flash there I said it Flash, Flash, Flash to the iPhone 4. :D

Not that I care that much, but still with the power of an iphone 4, flash should run fine on it.
 
Actually, the DMCA has long made it illegal to circumvent the kind of controls removed by jailbreaks. There has been an exception for jailbreaking only to effect a carrier unlock. Jailbreaking to allow the installation of unapproved third-party apps remained illegal. Basically, this decision makes it legal under the DMCA to circumvent encryption to jailbreak phones for reasons other than effecting a carrier unlock. It's great news, even if it doesn't change anything practically.

Thanks for clearing that up. I knew that circumventing the protection for the aim of a carrier unlock was legal but I was always under the impression that jailbreaks were fine because they were a necessary step, if you claimed you needed it for an unlock.
 
my thoughts are that apple should embrace the community. There are a lot of smart folks out there for both android and apple and they should be trying to get the best ones to program for their platform not keep them in the dark and not support. The big issue will be the handset manufactures and service providers, since they have the potential to lose revenue. The US cell phone industry really is the one that needs a kick in the pants when you have to some times pay 3 times for the same data (voice, "data", "data tethering") Besides, apple is the only one that really makes a big deal about this in my eyes.
 
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