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It's not the same. People who were scared to jailbreak their phones because they will void their warranty or because they thought they were breaking the law now will know that jailbreaking isn't breaking the law or their warranty.

Um, it still voids the warranty, unfortunately this is just going to hurt consumers who think it's OK to do this now and then get an unpleasant surprise when they try to get their phone fixed under warranty.
 
So the next step would be for Apple to encrypt their iOS releases making it once again illegal to jailbreak your phone.
 
Where did you learn of this "being forced to honor the warranty" clause-- or anything remotely close to it? I'm interested to read more.

It's in the summary:

Under the new federal policies, it would appear that Apple is no longer permitted to deny service for such reasons.

To me, it makes sense to clarify that jailbreaking isn't illegal via the DMCA, but requiring a company to provide warranty to a hacked device? That seems a little absurd.
 
A VERY SMALL first step

All this does is prevent Apple from using the DMCA to stop people from jailbreaking. They still have all kinds of other tools at their disposal. The whole damn clause from the DMCA needs to be stricken to allow interoperability.
 
Everybody thinks jailbreaking means free apps. That is so last century. Please... stop... :mad:

It's people like you that keep me coming back to reply in this thread. All Jailbreakers DON'T.Do.It.For.Free.Apps. Please...stop... :mad:
 
Um, it still voids the warranty, unfortunately this is just going to hurt consumers who think it's OK to do this now and then get an unpleasant surprise when they try to get their phone fixed under warranty.

uhm. The scene has come a bit further than the backally abortion procedure it once was back in 2007.

Jailbreak your phone. if it breaks, restore it in iTunes.

If you are using it unlocked with a different carrier and can't officially unlock it, Apple wouldn't have serviced it anyway.
 
And the next step is that unlock codes should be required by law after the subsidy contract expires.

For many phones this is the case, but not the iPhone.

The lack of unlock codes after the end of contracts makes it very hard to easy that AT&T is acting as a Monopoly.

From the press release...
"More than a million iPhone owners are said to have "jailbroken" their handsets in order to change wireless providers or use applications obtained from sources ..."


Does the EFF not understand the difference between Unlocking and Jailbreaking? Or has this ruling legalized the unlocking of a phone as well?
 
Since to the best of my knowledge, apple has never prosecuted anyone for jailbreaking or enabling one to jailbreak, nothing really changes. It doesn't mean apple has to leave the door wide open for people to be able to install anything they want.

The cat and mouse game of exploit, jailbreak, patch will still persist, and I wholly expect apple to be as vigilant as they can in patching holes. I'd be nervous if they weren't always trying to patch holes.

The other important point is that if you do bork your system by installing some sort of bad firmware or baseband, it's still not apple's problem. This only applies if one comes in with a hardware problem or a failure of or caused by apple sanctioned software. Don't expect apple to just repair software / firmware issues without questioning he root cause.
 
uhm. The scene has come a bit further than the backally abortion procedure it once was back in 2007.

Jailbreak your phone. if it breaks, restore it in iTunes.

If you are using it unlocked with a different carrier and can't officially unlock it, Apple wouldn't have serviced it anyway.

Yeah I just don't see how this changes anything at all, with the exception of giving consumers the false impression that it's OK to do this.
 
Don't worry though - I won't return to this article anyway to read what you have to say. But knock yourselves out. The general public won't either care nor will they have a clue about what is of passionate interest to all 12 of you.

Good, you just told everyone why your point is worthless since you just walk away from it.

The only way it's more insecure is if you install SSH and don't change the root password. If you're too dumb to do that, you deserve any attacks on your phone you get.
 
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

No. No no no. This is not useful. This is the exact opposite. This is interference. This is the Gov. attempting to remdy something that NEEDS NO CHANGING. If people want to Jailbreak their devices, they assume 100% responsibility for what happens to it when they think they know what they're doing.

Has anyone really gotten to use a Jailbroken device? Those that answered yes, how many can say that the experience was optimal? Are we kidding ourselves here? Anyone can Jailbreak the iPhone if they want. Why should the Gov. come in and say that now Apple has to provide service to the suckers that do, when something gets screwed up, because THEY did it?

What is left to gain? Some really poor applications that didn't make the cut? Use of tethering when you didn't sign up for it with AT&T? Use of T-Mobile's network that explicitly breaks the AT&T exclusivity that's legally in place between them and Apple? What is there to gain from this?

This is bull. I'm sick of the Gov. sticking their noses and other appendages where they don't belong. It's about f'n time that SOMEONE with real power steps up in regards to this. What hand does the Gov. have in the consumer electronics market? NONE. 0. Bill Gates / Steve Jobs / Al Gore better do something, before the Gov. regulates what can and can't be on my iPod -- OH WAIT...

I'm sick of the Gov. having everyone by the cajones, while whatever they say goes, whether the vast majority of the American people agree or oppose. King Obama, ball's in your court, and naturally it's your best sport.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Carriers are still free to prevent unlocking in many circumstances and can pursue cases against individuals by citing breach of contract under the carriers' Terms of Service.

GOOD.
 
I know this is mostly an iphone site now, but more changed than just iphone related items today.

The FTC will also allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced. This is a common problem with Logic Pro and 'burned out' dongles. In some cases, professionals have to buy brand new (read:expensive) copies of the software again to get new dongles.


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: No. No no no. This is not useful. This is the exact opposite. This is interference. This is the Gov. attempting to remdy something that NEEDS NO CHANGING. If people want to Jailbreak their devices, they assume 100% responsibility for what happens to it when they think they know what they're doing. Has anyone really gotten to use a Jailbroken device? Those that answered yes, how many can say that the experience was optimal? Are we kidding ourselves here? Anyone can Jailbreak the iPhone if they want. Why should the Gov. come in and say that now Apple has to provide service to the morons that do? What is left to gain? Some really poor applications that didn't make the cut? Use of tethering when you didn't sign up for it with AT&T? Use of T-Mobile's network that explicitly breaks the AT&T exclusivity that's legally in place between them and Apple? What is there to gain from this? This is bull. I'm sick of the Gov. sticking their noses and other appendages where they don't belong. It's about f'n time that SOMEONE with real power steps up in regards to this. What hand does the Gov. have in the consumer electronics market? NONE. 0. Bill Gates / Steve Jobs / Al Gore better do something, before the Gov. regulates rights for what can and can't be on my iPod -- OH WAIT... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Actually, your diatribe makes no sense at all. This is actually reversing a provision of a 1998 federal law and, in effect, causing less government interference in your life. Be careful what you wish for.
 
Wait... this is the same government that doesn't allow you to circumvent digital copyright protection schema under 17 USC 12 (a.k.a. DMCA)?

So jailbreaking Apple's stuff is ok. Jailbreaking the recording and motion picture industry's stuff not ok.

Got it. Clear as mud.

P.S. I'm not endorsing piracy. I'm against piracy. I just find the contradiction a bit baffling.

Welcome to copyright law. It's nice to have you here.


"Only one thing is impossible for God: to find any sense in any copyright law on the planet . . . Whenever a copyright law is to be made or altered, then the idiots assemble."

-- Mark Twain, Mark Twain's Notebook, May 23, 1903
 
No, jailbreaking won’t ever be mainstream. It offers very little benefit and a lot of hassle. It’s a fringe option that 99% of the public (despite the impression you get on a techie niche like MR) will never have any interest in.

As for piracy, that’s the main benefit, and it’s a shame—but this clarification won’t foster piracy because pirates don’t care what’s legal anyway.

As for malware... sure, maybe—additional security flaws could potentially be introduced by jailbreaking. But that’s the least of the problems. People who embark on jailbreaking are prepared to research the issues, keep on top of them as they change, and solve them as they arise.

Apple’s “walled garden” is VERY beneficial to users. It makes their products far better and more functional (and is far less “walled” than people like to claim). However, if people want to strike out on their own and install some other software, I support that. (Just not piracy; not taking the creative work of developers without paying them.)

There's a reason you're a senior MR contributor/member for eons Nagromme and from your years of experience being so often a voice of intelligence and sense on these forums, especially in light of the recent deluge of whiny types (including in this thread) that made what was once one of the best Mac forums now seem more like surfing 4Chan.

I, for one, appreciate your spot-on post here, you nailed it in every way. Sadly I'm sure the tide of this thread will only go downhill from here, not that outside of yours and Avatar74 the comments there was a lot of decent thought or logic in other posts on the story anyways.
 
And the next step is that unlock codes should be required by law after the subsidy contract expires.

For many phones this is the case, but not the iPhone.

The lack of unlock codes after the end of contracts makes it very hard to easy that AT&T is acting as a Monopoly.

No they should give it to you UNLOCKED. If you sign a contract to use their service, the contract has a penalty for early cancelation that covers the cost of the iphone, there is NO reason for their not giving it to you unlocked other than ATT wants to gouge you for money while in different countries roaming.
 
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