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Well at least I can tether for free from my i4 without paying AT&T their tethering rates and without jailbreaking my phone. That's all I need.
 
If only this prevented Crapple from actually doing something about JB. It would be nice for this to prevent patching of firmware to stop the jailbreaks.
 
Fine but I don't believe that Apple should have to support jailbroken phones. Apple needs to clearly state that if you jailbreak then you are on your own. I am also curious as to why this would be limited to mobile devices.. why not all devices e.g. the Wii, all the resent Wii updates have been nothing more then ways to prevent homebrew setups which are similar to the idea behind jailbreaking.
 
Well, this is good (even if not a major change). And I hope it means Apple won't be able to deny hardware service for jailbroken devices. I have no problem with Apple saying 'no software support unless you reload the un-jailbroken iOS on your device", but they shouldn't be allowed to deny hardware warranty for software changes that hurt their feelings.

It'll be interesting how Apple reacts.
 
All right this all sounds awesome, but I think I am getting the wrong idea.

Does this mean I can jailbreak and unlock my phone and take it into Apple as-is and they can't refuse to help me with my problems?

Also, does this make jailbreaking officially legal even though in Apple's eyes they deem in illegal, therefore overriding what Apple says?

Apple can still do what they want due to their license agreement.
 
so this allows (makes it legal) u to download apps that are not approved by apple and it wont void your warrantee. so i could jailbreak and get mifi and not void my warrantee or contract.
 
The fact that you are associating Jailbreaking as piracy is even more baffling. Get your head out of the sand and realize that not everyone jailbreaks to pirate apps. As a developer, I want more control over settings on my phone. I know too well how much time it takes to develop anything decent to download paid apps for free.

I think a couple of you misread my point. I'm not comparing jailbreaking to piracy at all.

Jailbreaking is a form of circumvention of a system with protections in it designed to disallow you to modify the original in any material way.

The DMCA concerns not just piracy but makes illegal the mere circumvention of digital copyright protection schema, e.g. reverse engineering such software/hardware.

So what I'm comparing is one circumvention of a system to another circumvention of a system. In one case, it's legal. In the other, it's not.

That's an interesting statement on the power of certain lobbyists to convince the government that taxpayer resources should be spent enforcing what really ought to be a civil matter, if anything. (that being the circumvention of copy protection systems, not the actual act of piracy/distribution of protected works).
 
I guess it is ok for me to use a crack to install the newest version of Adobe Photoshop then?

After all, if I buy the disk off CraigsList and the ToS means nothing than it shouldn't be a problem.

Apple will sue and have this overturned. If it was legal (remember this is a regulatory body NOT a judge) than the PayStar case would have turned out differently.

You don't have to crack OS X or Windows to be able to run Photoshop. It's open to run anything that a dev writes.
 
In reality this in no way whatsoever forces Apple to provide service and support for jailbroken handsets.

What it does do is removes the vagueness of whether jailbreaking an iPhone is in violation of the DMCA.

Apple is still well within their rights to refuse service if you have made unauthorised modifications to your iPhone.
 
That's not fantastic - that's trivially stupid, memory hogging trash, that some dev did so poorly or against so many "random rules" that Apple won't allow it. If they don't allow it, there's a reason, and no matter what it is, there IS a reason. If you want to respond, there's an App for that. It's called Messages.

We have multitasking now. Why not just take 10 seconds to finish what you were doing in the App, and multitask-on-over to the messages app, and use that nifty built in keyboard?

I'm convinced jailbreaking caters to those with no patience to do what can already be done, albeit a little slower.

In your opinion. How about try it before you knock it so harshly. Wow, negative much?
 
All right this all sounds awesome, but I think I am getting the wrong idea.

Does this mean I can jailbreak and unlock my phone and take it into Apple as-is and they can't refuse to help me with my problems?

Also, does this make jailbreaking officially legal even though in Apple's eyes they deem in illegal, therefore overriding what Apple says?

No Apple can still say your modifications have voided the warranty. Realistically speaking, nothing has changed. Jailbreaking was implicitly allowed before.
 
I have no problem with Apple saying 'no software support unless you reload the un-jailbroken iOS on your device", but they shouldn't be allowed to deny hardware warranty for software changes that hurt their feelings.

That's a great point. It would make sense if it were to work out that way.
 
So, all this does is not make it illegal right? You still violate the terms of Apple's EULA (which aren't enforceable), the majority of iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch users will go on as they are with their standard devices and those who previously jail-breaked will continue to do so, not updating to latest iOS releases until the jailbreaking community have managed to circumvent the protection. So, Status Quo?

On a side note, what does this mean to chipping/modding/installing ubuntu on XBOXes, PS3s, Wiis and the like? Surely these are in a similar-vein?

Btw, I've never jailbroken my iPod Touch or iPhone, but believe that a user has every right to do so should they wish, providing they acknowledge that they may lose some official support from Apple should they do so.
 
so this allows (makes it legal) u to download apps that are not approved by apple and it wont void your warrantee. so i could jailbreak and get mifi and not void my warrantee or contract.

Still voids the warranty nothing has changed.
 
wow, this is were my tax money is going? :mad: government meddling in the business affairs of one of the most innovative and successful brands of the last 30 years. last time i checked, apple/iphone didn't have a monopoly on the market. why is the government continuously attempting to penalize the success of a private business?

that's what happens when you think like a socialist/communist. you see who's on top, and you figure out ways to bring them right back down. whoever is on top MUST be doing something wrong. in our brave new world, everybody gets a trophy, but nobody actually wins. :rolleyes:

Actually, this is the government un-meddling. The government is providing an exception to a law that otherwise restricts your rights to do things. In other words, you have more rights and freedoms than you did yesterday. This is the opposite of government meddling, unless your belief is that only corporations should have freedom.

so this allows (makes it legal) u to download apps that are not approved by apple and it wont void your warrantee. so i could jailbreak and get mifi and not void my warrantee or contract.

No. This has nothing to do with warranty or contracts.
 
The real question though is whether or not this can in any way keep Apple from continuing to try and find ways to modify the hardware/firmware to keep people from Jailbreaking their devices. Unfortunately I'm betting it won't change that particular aspect of things too much...

Apple has no oblatgtion to support jailbreaking. These new rules just mean they can't do anything to you if you do like cancel your warranty.
 
My thoughts exactly. Since when did the government think they have the right to step into how a company handles these kind of procedures.

Does anyone bother to read the original post? :rolleyes:

Apple had claimed iPhone Jaibreaking was illegal under the DMCA. The Government has checked the law and said it isn't.

They are not telling Apple how to run their company, just clarifying a legal issue.
 
Apple has no oblatgtion to support jailbreaking. These new rules just mean they can't do anything to you if you do like cancel your warranty.

No, it doesn't mean that at all. They can still cancel your warranty. You just can't be fined or imprisoned under the DMCA.
 
No. First, this has nothing to do with fair use. Fair use is a copyright concept, not a DMCA concept.

Second, you can license around fair use.

Isn't DMCA digital copyright? How is that different from regular copyright? I am not a lawyer, and I am aware you know far more about this than I do,

I don't see how BUYING OSX breaks a DMCA. A hackintosh with a purchased version of OSX is in no way pirated at any point. So I don't see how that break's any copyright.

Anyway, my point was, this change seems to sound like the govt. saying "Hey, these people bought these things, they can do whatever the heck they want with it." That sounds awfully similar to the idea of "Hey, these people bought OSX, they can do whatever the heck they want with it." Without getting into the legal minutia that lay people like me have no idea whatsoever about, the actual concepts seem nearly identical in justification.
 
It's not the role of the government to tell you if you're breaking the law or not? Actually it is.

Congratulations for posting the most inane response on MacRumors. The person is stating it's not the role of the government to force Apple to potentially support jailbreaking. And he's right. Broad government intervention in consumer affairs is a slippery slope. I know a lot of people like their jailbroken iPhones (mine is jailbroken) but accepting this type of government mandate is dangerous. If you don't understand why it's dangerous, you're an uninformed drone. If you buy something and screw it up yourself, knowing beforehand you could screw it up, neither the company that made the product nor the company you bought it from should be forced to support it. What's next? The government forces hard drive manufacturers to support drives you dismantle, breaking their seals when it clearly says "breaking this seal voids your warranty"? Again, it's a slippery slope.
 
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