The average user probably doesn’t care. He just wants things to work and he’s fine going to Apple’s App Store.
Right, and that is 98% of all users…
My general impression is that it’s devs who think they can make more money without having to go through Apple and that 1% of users — 1% of a sufficiently large number is still a lot of people. And, last but not least, government bureaucrats and lawyers.
So you believe. I can make the same statement about what you believe will happen. Looking at the companies most likely to exploit this I do not believe my concerns or statements are unfounded. Just look at how pervasive web sites are at getting around blocks to tracking you. You really don't believe these same entities would not find a way to track across connected and related devices?
This is an argument for allowing side loading. Why should developers pay Apple 15-30% if they aren’t going to get any help with app discovery? If it’s up to a developer then let that developer have complete control and not charge developers anything.
And while my question was somewhat rhetorical, that’s the way I see it too.
Yep that is what I least like about it all.
I think people over value the app discovery discussion points. How do we discover apps and programs on Windows or Mac? I pretty much just use google to find apps, not browse the App Store for 10+ minutes trying to find something.
No it isn't. Apple's fee is not an app discovery fee. It is not a credit card transaction fee. Having your app on the App Store enables it to be searched on the Store. That is one of several mechanism a developer has to bring his app to market. Anyone relying solely on the App Store will not be successful (as as successful as they could be).
I still remember the old bumper stickers that said, "US pull out of North America".
A computer is a tool and it’s either a benefit or a hazard. I take care of my tools but I expect them to do the job such that the maintenance time of the tool doesn’t outstrip the work I can do with the tool. If it does, it’s time to get a different tool. I left Windows and never even considered Android because I don’t have the time or the desire to tinker anymore and deal with the time wasted maintaining them. I also don’t have a degree in cybersecurity to be able to keep track of every threat there is out there. I stay in Apple’s walled garden because I trust them (mostly) to be the security experts and to keep customers and the App Store secure. They’re not perfect, but they’ll do. This has nothing to do with personal responsibility or freedom. This is a few squeaky wheels whining they can’t hack their iPhones and stick it to Apple because they feel personally slighted by Apple’s “obscene” profits and have designated themselves as the high and mighty righters of wrongs to force Apple to do what they want them to do. I have neither time nor patience for this crap. Apple isn’t perfect, not by a long shot, but I’ll trust them more than I trust any random internet commenter with a savior/god complex espousing how they want to stop evil Apple like they’re helping the average consumer, when this is all a self-serving ploy because Apple must be taken down a peg, Apple stuff costs too much, I can’t put an SD card in my iPhone, etc etc , the constant whining when no one is forcing anyone to buy an iPhone. The same stuff is said in the Mac forums with regards to DRAM and storage. It’s all about forcing Apple to do what they want them to do instead of just going away and using another computing device that does. This isn’t about device freedom and healthy competition, this is about money and sticking it to Apple.
I’m sorry but APIs can’t exist on other store. They are exclusively a local thing only. API stands for application programming interface, which is a set of definitions and protocols for building and integrating application software
Tell me you are not a developer without telling me you are not a developer. .NET are APIs. MonoGame is an API. Yet I can place .NET code on any store I want. SceneKit, ARKit, WhateverKit these are all APIs that can exist on other stores. Direct X is an API and that can even go on consoles!
This is why Android devices are crap, many large corporations don’t allow their employees to access the company VPN from Android devices, for a huge reason: They are not secure enough.
Source?
Then you would be in the majority of users who would choose to keep the optional side-loading setting disabled on their phones.
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Well I’m sorry. But this isn’t true when we talk about OS APIs. That is why apps running on older iOS versions don’t work because the APIs doesn’t exist. But an unreal game can mostly work independently on any platform because it comes with a copy of the assets the APIs call.
I think we are talking about different things here then. Apple App Store and Epic App Store on iOS can use the same APIs on the same iPhone. Same with how UE royalty works, I could definitely see if you post your iOS App on Epic App Store a percentage would need to be made by using the APIs provided. Where did cross iOS versions come in to the discussion here? You made a blanket statement that APIs won't work on other stores which is NOT true.
I’m sorry but you aren’t putting any APIs on these stores. You are just calling system calls. And when the client doesn’t have the software locally it will most of the time make you download a new directX update. Install .net is just a system framework.
Where did I say you are actually INJECTING APIs in the actual store? You said you can't use APIs on different stores which is COMPLETELY FALSE. I can place a Unity App on Stream or Epic, or GOG. I never once said I am injecting and giving Steam those APIs. I said USING THOSE APIS, I can place my game anywhere any store, even my own website.
No, I believe I said you can’t put APIs on other stores as it’s part of the client system. That is why apple can’t ask for a royalty for iOS APIs for iOS apps. There is no IP that to be infringed upon. It’s just system calls according to a standard procedure.
Yeah. The post said “using.” You are definitely “using” Apple’s iOS APIs regardless of where your app originates.
I am really confused here. I can put a Unity or Unreal Engine, or a MonoGame, or a .NET application on any number of stores including my own website. You are still talking about something entirely different I think. Because if not, how is it possible I "use APIs in other stores" when you say I can't?
