U.S. International Trade Commission Opens Inquiry Into Apple, RIM After Kodak Complaint

[Stella]

1. Definition of patent troll - here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll

2. Symbian smartphones are sold worldwide, as are all Nokia phones.

Nokia are market leaders, like or not. They are one of the top sellers - therefore, market leaders, and also pioneers.

3. Marketshare is marketshare - the more products you sell - its all the same - marketshare. Nokia make large profits oselling phones - its in their interest in selling as many units as possible.

Nokia's strategy of selling to emerging markets is a good strategy - manufacturer phones cheap enough for the population to buy, builds brand recognition / loyalty and more income. Whats wrong with that - unless you an elitist who think only the rich should be able to afford cell phones.

Emerging markets offer a huge potential consumer base. And there you are belittling Nokia for going after a potential huge market!!!

Well I consider patent troll anyone like Nokia who is trying to ban a product they don't even compete against. Example, Mac and iPods. Nokia is celphone and should only seek to ban iPhone imports and not everything Apple.

Also selling small, gimped and voice only phones to third world countries does not make them a market leader in Apples playing area (smartphones). Increased smartphone marketshare? I'd like to see a reference to that because I can produce various references where Symbian (and nokia phones) are loosing market share. Just like IE bleeds it.

<Snip BS>

That is why Nokia is such a looser company and patent troll.

Apple should learn to pay royalties.

Where are those new Macbooks?

 

[jav6454]

1. Definition of patent troll - here -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll

Really? You post a wikipedia link for a definition that depends on the person?

2. Symbian smartphones are sold worldwide, as are all Nokia phones.

Nokia are market leaders, like or not. They are one of the top sellers - therefore, market leaders, and also pioneers.

Yes, they are top sellers, but not in smart phones, just check out the latest market share stats, and you will see they have a decline in market share thanks to RIM, Android and Apple.

Market leaders? No, that stopped long ago back in 2004/5. Pioneers? What new device that doesn't mimic one of the Android or iPhones has Nokia come up with? Nokia at this point is a me-too company.

3. Marketshare is marketshare - the more products you sell - its all the same - marketshare. Nokia make large profits oselling phones - its in their interest in selling as many units as possible.

Nokia's strategy of selling to emerging markets is a good strategy - manufacturer phones cheap enough for the population to buy, builds brand recognition / loyalty and more income. Whats wrong with that - unless you an elitist who think only the rich should be able to afford cell phones.

Emerging markets offer a huge potential consumer base. And there you are belittling Nokia for going after a potential huge market!!!

Not rich elitist, but using the market share of dumb phones to prove your argument is flawed.

Apple should learn to pay royalties.

Where are those new Macbooks?

Where in the world does Nokia make computers? I don't a see Nokia branded laptop anywhere. But they are seeking to stop MacBook shipments. You must be high on something if you think that's fair.

 

[Erwin-Br]

Anyone can flood the market with superfluity and then turn around and claim an increased share.

That's just your petty and subjective opinion. Millions of people who own a Nokia phone and made them the market leader they are disagree with you.

 

[Kevin Winsness]

Keep trying

Everyone wants to try and ride Apple's coattails.

 

[Denarius]

...how to lose friends and alienate people

I'm guessing you're referring to Apple rather than Kodak?

 

[Erwin-Br]

Market leaders? No, that stopped long ago back in 2004/5. Pioneers? What new device that doesn't mimic one of the Android or iPhones has Nokia come up with? Nokia at this point is a me-too company.

Nokia was the market leader in smartphone shipments, with an estimated 2009 market share of 36.4 percent, followed by Research in Motion (BlackBerry) at 19.4 percent, Apple at 14.9 percent and HTC at 6.3 percent. (Source: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222900036)

And look up in the dictionary what a pioneer is. Hint: Apple wasn't one of the companies that pioneered the phone market. Copying a concept (and improving on it) isn't considered pioneering.

 

[jav6454]

Nokia was the market leader in smartphone shipments, with an estimated 2009 market share of 36.4 percent, followed by Research in Motion (BlackBerry) at 19.4 percent, Apple at 14.9 percent and HTC at 6.3 percent. (Source: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222900036)

And look up in the dictionary what a pioneer is. Hint: Apple wasn't one of the companies that pioneered the phone market. Copying a concept (and improving on it) isn't considered pioneering.

I never said Apple is in the phone region. However, like I said, that 36.4 market share is slowly decreasing and going into the likes of RIM, Apple and Google.

Regarding Nokia, I never said they were not pioneers in their past time. Right now, they are not and are merely doing a me-too to something they should have dominated.

 

[macshill2]

You know who you hypocrites are.

 

[macshill2]

Anyone can flood the market with superfluity and then turn around and claim an increased share.

Cuts both ways, fanboy. Same can be said about the iPod.

I guess you'll scramble to come up w/ some feeble excuse to explain away the absence of a global market share when it comes to the iPhone.

Hmm, the iPhone is the #1 smart phone in America, it's because it's worthy -- the best tech. and in demand.

Nokia is the #1 phone carrier globally, it's because they flood the market.

How you can even stand to look at yourself in the mirror is beyond me.

 

[Erwin-Br]

I never said Apple is in the phone region. However, like I said, that 36.4 market share is slowly decreasing and going into the likes of RIM, Apple and Google.

Nokia's marketshare went up with 10 percent in Q1 of 2010. Doesn't say anything, except that you can't predict the future. I'm sure Apple will eat a bit more of the pie, but I think Nokia can survive on their strong position in the business phone market alone. Their biggest competitor there is RIM.

Regarding Nokia, I never said they were not pioneers in their past time. Right now, they are not and are merely doing a me-too to something they should have dominated.

Nokia is still dominating the market. It's not the most innovative company anymore, but that's a different issue. Of course they follow Apple on certain features. Which company doesn't? That's the way things work. Maybe in the future Nokia (or another company) will invent the next big thing, and Apple will implement it in their designs as well. It has happened before.

 

[fabulicious]

It seems the ITC thinks it's worthy enough to not say "get out of here!" (you have no case).

Interesting if it were the other way around. Always the case with certain notrious fanboys here.

 

[fabulicious]

Nokia was the market leader in smartphone shipments, with an estimated 2009 market share of 36.4 percent, followed by Research in Motion (BlackBerry) at 19.4 percent, Apple at 14.9 percent and HTC at 6.3 percent. (Source: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222900036)

And look up in the dictionary what a pioneer is. Hint: Apple wasn't one of the companies that pioneered the phone market. Copying a concept (and improving on it) isn't considered pioneering.

Apple's the #1 smartphone in America, oh it must be superior design and inevitable demand.

Nokia's the #1 smart phone globally, oh it must be them flooding the market.

They'll come up with any manipulation they can to boast their strengths and feeble excuses to excuse away their obvious weaknesses.

 

[eastcoastsurfer]

Where in the world does Nokia make computers? I don't a see Nokia branded laptop anywhere. But they are seeking to stop MacBook shipments. You must be high on something if you think that's fair.

It's called being ruthless in your response when other companies try to screw you. Apple does this ALL THE TIME. In fact they are known for being ruthless when it comes to IP, secrets, lawsuits, etc... Don't call foul when someone does it back to them.

 

[cmaier]

Patent attorney here. Kodak is not a troll, so let's stop that, eh?

The claims of the patent are very broad, covering pretty much any device that shows a preview image on its own screen while also capturing an image. Given the fairly late priority date of the patent application, it may not be valid, but that remains to be seen (and I certainly am unaware of any invalidating prior art.)

Should be fun - the FTC moves very quickly - faster even than the Rocket Docket in Delaware.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Anyone can flood the market with superfluity and then turn around and claim an increased share.

Ok then do it. Probably beats your day job.

 

[ShiftyPig]

Everyone wants to try and ride Apple's coattails.

Someone didn't read the article.

 

[fabulicious]

You might want to check your facts.

Apple iPhone was number 2 in the US. Not number 1.
Number 1 spot goes to Blackberry curve.

http://www.pocketberry.com/2010/02/08/blackberry-curve-remains-top-selling-smartphone-in-q4-2009/

Rim also holds 40% of the US smart phone market to the iPhone 25%.

Well, that's true. Mac Rumors like to fudge the numbers by breaking up various models of BlackBerrys. Put them together, RIM leads. This is the type of blinding antics that go on in this den of deceit and smug elitism.

 

[jav6454]

Patent attorney here. Kodak is not a troll, so let's stop that, eh?

The claims of the patent are very broad, covering pretty much any device that shows a preview image on its own screen while also capturing an image. Given the fairly late priority date of the patent application, it may not be valid, but that remains to be seen (and I certainly am unaware of any invalidating prior art.)

Should be fun - the FTC moves very quickly - faster even than the Rocket Docket in Delaware.

No one has said Kodak is a patent troll. I think so far everyone agrees Kodak has done the professional and corporate thing to do, except Nokia, who wants to ride on anything Apple made from iPhone to Macs.

 

[cmaier]

No one has said Kodak is a patent troll. I think so far everyone agrees Kodak has done the professional and corporate thing to do, except Nokia, who wants to ride on anything Apple made from iPhone to Macs.

Nokia isn't a troll either. They may want a free ride, but that doesn't make them a troll.

 

[satcomer]

To me these software patents are getting broader and broader. Since when did Kodak have a computer software preview on a computer program? These patents on ideas are getting ludicrous. Plus why isn't HTC involved in the suit also?

 

[cmaier]

To me these software patents are getting broader and broader. Since when did Kodak have a computer software preview on a computer program? These patents on ideas are getting ludicrous. Plus why isn't HTC involved in the suit also?

Sigh. It's not a software patent. It's a hardware patent. There is nothing ludicrous about it.

 

[kernkraft]

I know, it's not about styling, but...

No one has said Kodak is a patent troll. I think so far everyone agrees Kodak has done the professional and corporate thing to do, except Nokia, who wants to ride on anything Apple made from iPhone to Macs.

'Troll' is one of those overused and pointless words that Macrumors should get rid of. It's so easy to label companies and people that even people, who are unable to construct a decent argument started using them. Actually, is there anybody, who can and still uses this pointless labeling?


By the way, Nokia is a very respectable company and you don't hear their names in connection with lawsuits as often as Apple's.



I bought my first Nokia phone over a decade ago and I still remember their styling in the nineties, along with their publishing materials. They were already more stylish then. They still use this sleek appearance that Apple has been using for a while but Nokia also uses colours - something that Apple has to remind itself from time to time. Just a picture of my second Nokia from the second half of the nineties, several years before the iPod Nanos got colour. Of course, Apple has also had a period in the last few years of the nineties, where they had some very stylish and sleek machines. But I think it was probably Nokia that inspired Apple that simple mobile devices with sleek styling sell better than Apple will ever manage with its computers.

 

[satcomer]

Sigh. It's not a software patent. It's a hardware patent. There is nothing ludicrous about it.

Sigh. Did you read the article at all?

The civil suit, only against Apple, concerns that patent and additional ones for digital cameras and computer processes.

Looks like Kodak is going after the iSight Camera and Image Capture.

 

[cmaier]

Sigh. Did you read the article at all?



Looks like Kodak is going after the iSight Camera and Image Capture.

I read the friggin patent, and I'm a patent attorney, so I know how to read a patent.\

How about you explain to me where the following claim has anything to do with software:

1. An electronic still camera for initiating capture of a still image while previewing motion images on a display, comprising:
(a) an image sensor having a two-dimensional array of photosites covered by a mosaic pattern of color filters including at least three different colors for capturing images of a scene, each captured image having a first number of color pixel values provided in a first color pattern;

(b) motion processing means for generating from the captured images, a second number of color pixel values provided in a second color pattern having at least three different colors and representative of a series of motion images to be previewed, the second number of color pixel values being less than the first number of color pixel values, and the second color pattern being different from the first color pattern;

(c) a color display for presenting at least some of the motion images of the series of motion images corresponding to the captured images of the scene, the color display having an arrangement of color display pixels including at least three different colors in a pattern different from the first color pattern;

(d) a capture button for initiating capture of a still image while previewing the motion images presented on the color display;

(e) still processing means for generating a third number of color pixel values including at least three different colors representative of a processed captured still image; and

(f) a digital memory for storing the processed captured still image.

After you do that, how about you show me where, in the Bloomberg article OR in macrumors' summary, it says anything about software?

 

[AnalyzeThis]

Everyone wants to try and ride Apple's coattails.

far from it... they are getting it on as we yapp