U.S. ITC Judge Says Apple Infringed on Qualcomm Patent, Import Ban Recommended [Updated]

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The patent is about power management. When Apple's logic board is designed to work in conjunction with an Intel modem, it violates the patent due to the implementation.

Contrary to what some may believe, Qualcomm holds patents in more than just cellular connectivity. They have a portfolio which includes power management, methods of manufacturing, and software.

The patent in question is not part of any standard.
It is a proprietary function of Qualcomm's power management tech.

Thanks. And we have been repeating the same thing again and again in every thread, and my conclusion comes to this, they want to believe what they want to believe, even though when facts and many other resources are provided.

Just want to say thank you for the few who tirelessly explaining the same thing over and over and over again. I think I am out.

 

[Carnegie]

Thanks. Though, I wouldn't take what the patent characterizes as prior art as gospel.

I haven't checked, but I have to assume that (a) Apple probably found the best prior art out there to invalidate this, and (b) there are pending IPRs at the PTAB that may yet invalidate this separately. If the patent is still valid after all that, one transistor and babysteps and all, it deserves all the protections it gets.

An IPR challenging claim 1 of the '674 patent (along with other claims) has indeed been instituted by the PTAB. The PTAB found that there's a reasonable likelihood that Apple will prevail with regard to claim 1 (and others).

 

[Baymowe335]

Apple doesn’t do better out of court either

Yeah, great analysis of the most profitable company in history.

 

[FightTheFuture]

You live by rounded-corners patents, you die by rounded-corner patents.

Not related at all.

 

[crescentmoon]

So Apple has to pay 31 million in damages... its the price of doing business. However, if this present case with Qualcomm prevents them from shipping new iPhones to the US, then there will be hell to pay...

 

[9081094]

Yeah, great analysis of the most profitable company in history.

Profitability at the expense of the customers. Just dust off the antiques and sell it like it’s new so they can make even more profits. Hallelujah

 

[bladerunner2000]

This will make a lot of people happy


Waiting for you to list the specific laws/regulations they broke with this case.

Did you read the headline? LOL Even if you didn't, the guy just wants Apple to get away with everything... that alone tells you all you need to know.

 

[IG88]

Qualcomm is only asking to go extinct.
Their aggressive actions awoke the beast. Innovation means Apple is now
Interested in making and designing their own modems. The result is not something Qualcomm wants. Especially as there is a transition to 5G in progress.

Modems are small potatoes. If Apple really wanted to hurt Qualcomm, all Apple has to do is start offering A-series chips to Android mfgs.

 

[realtuner]

Profitability at the expense of the customers. Just dust off the antiques and sell it like it’s new so they can make even more profits. Hallelujah

Lying doesn't make your argument any better.

 

[Baymowe335]

Profitability at the expense of the customers. Just dust off the antiques and sell it like it’s new so they can make even more profits. Hallelujah

You always have such hard hitting analysis, but zero facts to back it up.

 

[realtuner]

Did you read the headline? LOL Even if you didn't, the guy just wants Apple to get away with everything... that alone tells you all you need to know.

Still not seeing any broken laws/regulations. Do you have any to list?

 

[Plutonius]

How so? If they workl for Apple, they get paid a salary and likely work their butts off.
They don't get paid by the case or the billable hours.

With all the patent legal trouble Apple goes through I think that they only hire the best for lots of money (i.e. the lawyers probably make much more at Apple then in a private practice).

 

[BootsWalking]

Not related at all.

I agree, at least in that Apple's rounded-corner patent was absurd whereas Qualcomm claim is not. But I disagree they're not related in practice since both are being used as market weapons against a competitor/supplier to inflict damage and bend the will of an adversary. If Apple is going to use that strategy against others then they have to expect others to use it against them.

 

[richpjr]

Seems like the biggest losers in all of these cases is we, the consumers, as we are the ones paying for all of these stupid patent legal battles.

 

[justperry]

You always have such hard hitting analysis, but zero facts to back it up.

Include original post so readers know who you respond to.

 

[techwhiz]

I don't understand how you can patent a standard, hold a monopoly over it and then preemptively sue people before when they aren't using your product.

This has nothing to do with standards.
This is a low power patent.

 

[0924487]

here we go

 

[4jasontv]

Not related at all.

I suspect their point was that if you sue others with frivolous patents you will be sued with frivolous patents.
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This has nothing to do with standards.
This is a low power patent.

I don't understand how you can patent not using as much power.

 

[realtuner]

I agree, at least in that Apple's rounded-corner patent was absurd whereas Qualcomm claim is not. But I disagree they're not related in practice since both are being used as market weapons against a competitor/supplier to inflict damage and bend the will of an adversary. If Apple is going to use that strategy against others then they have to expect others to use it against them.

How can Apples patents be absurd when they won a significant chunk of money from Samsung? In two separate cases? Last year they both announced that they settled and ended all litigation. Terms are sealed, but at the time Samsung owes Apple over $600 million from the two previous cases. So Samsung obviously paid something - we just don’t know how much.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Why not just buy Qualcomm, take all their tech and patents, and drop the lifeless drained husk on the ground.

Why does this entitled mentality exist on this forum?

 

[Carnegie]

There were, of course, countless documents filed in this (i.e. the 1093) case. So I can't say I'm certain that Qualcomm never asserted that the '674 patent was infringed by later (than 7 and 7 Plus) iPhones. But having looked through some of the later documents in the case, I'm now pretty confident that it didn't argue that later iPhones infringe that patent. So this infringement determination, and any exclusion order which might eventually be issued, would only apply to iPhone 7s and 7 Pluses.

That being the case, I'd say Qualcomm had a pretty bad day when it comes to USITC cases. The 1065 case has now been terminated with no finding of infringement by Apple of any of the asserted patents. And with the 1093 case, the ALJ's final initial determination is that Apple didn't infringe the patents that might have mattered - i.e., those which could affect 2018 iPhone models.

 

[SSDGUY]

Qualcomm is just mad 'cause they got an exceedingly crappy logo.

 

[Williesleg]

Boy I guess Tim Apple wasn't kidding when he said he wants to turn Apple into a services company. Can't deal with hardware anymore.

 

[BootsWalking]

How can Apples patents be absurd when they won a significant chunk of money from Samsung? In two separate cases? Last year they both announced that they settled and ended all litigation. Terms are sealed, but at the time Samsung owes Apple over $600 million from the two previous cases. So Samsung obviously paid something - we just don’t know how much.

The Federal courts are littered with absurd patent litigation verdicts. That's like asking how OJ's innocent verdict could be absurd when it was adjudicated by a jury of his peers.

 

[macbeta]

Yawn. The US made this patent mess, they need to clean it up.
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Time for Apple to innovate...........then you won't have these issues.

Not really. The minefield of patents ensure you cant make a step in any direction without some troll crawling out to grab a slice. Patents in the US have gotten out of control. Patents should not be issued for things that are not actually made/ demonstrated or produced.