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U.S. Mac Sales Continue to Sag Ahead of October Updates

kds1 said:
If you want to pull your hair out and be frustrated by the tediousness of it, and how much longer it would take you, go for it.



Anybody who uses their work issued computer to do personal stuff on and stores personal stuff on it is naive and well, stupid. I used to work in corporate IT. Clueless employees would sync their phones to their work computers and then get pissed when we would tell them we were NOT responsible for their personal data (music, photos, whatever). Their machine crashes, "can you recover my personal stuff?" Ummmm...NO! Idiots!



You don't seem to have come across websites that *don't* work the same on a mobile device as they do on a desktop/laptop. Trust me, they exist. It's not just about rendering and how they "appear" it's about how they *don't work* properly.
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I was not referring to people using work computers for personal, although that does happen often, but that those who content create do so mostly for work. So if you work from home, you would have a desktop, if you work from the office, you would use the office computer. The point being, more and more content is being consumed by most users rather than created. In those instances they need to create a document, they either use their older desktop (as pointed out above) or make it work on their tablet.

No, I have not come across a website that does not work on a mobile platform, please provide URL.

Lastly, and my mistake for not pointing this out, computer sales are down; this by no means suggest people are tossing their old computers out. The tablet market is booming. This suggest people like the portable aspect of the iPad. They can sit and watch tv while posting on Facebook. So the trend is to not upgrade your desktop, but rather purchase a tablet.

Once your can dock your tablet to a larger monitor with ease, desktops for the home will all but die. As then you can purchase one larger, better monitor that many can dock into when needed for those occasional content creation needs.

Content creators, geeks, gamers, techies will all buy what they will buy, but the majority of the world does not need a desktop for 90% of what they use a computing device for.

Those that keep denying this are probably those who said tables were a fad and no one would buy an expensive iPhone (because it did not have a keyboard), and so many others blind to moving technology.

I would love to see Apple quickly release a way to dock your iPad to a 27" Apple display.
 
I guess Apple just does not care about Macs. They likely cost a lot in terms of engineering and don't sell as much as iPhones.

They need a more resonablely designed desktop the iMac's problem is that you have to trash a good 27" LCD monitor to upgrade a CPU. That is just wrong. They need something between a Mini and a Pro.
 
ChrisA said:
I guess Apple just does not care about Macs. They likely cost a lot in terms of engineering and don't sell as much as iPhones.

They need a more resonablely designed desktop the iMac's problem is that you have to trash a good 27" LCD monitor to upgrade a CPU. That is just wrong. They need something between a Mini and a Pro.
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Agreed. I think Apple is a victim of their own success. The recent run-up in revenues brought expanding margins and customers piling into the iOS AND OS X ecosystem. The product lines withered a bit, quality dropped and the company's focus shifted to the more profitable iOS ventures.

But the Mac is still the heart of Apple. A strong (and expandable) desktop in the ~$1,500 range with great specs would sell like gangbusters.
 
ChrisA said:
I guess Apple just does not care about Macs. They likely cost a lot in terms of engineering and don't sell as much as iPhones.

They need a more resonablely designed desktop the iMac's problem is that you have to trash a good 27" LCD monitor to upgrade a CPU. That is just wrong. They need something between a Mini and a Pro.
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Where do you get that idea? iMacs and notebooks are updated once a year(ish). The Mac Pro, I'll give you that it has been found wanting.

They have something between a Mini and a Pro, that is the iMac you mentioned. And yes, you have to upgrade an ALL IN ONE when you upgrade most components.

You must REALLY hate the notebook line which you can't upgrade at all.

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kds1 said:
That's not the point. The point is *it doesn't work*. Period.
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That is the point. Flash has NEVER been supported on iOS, and iOS has been out long enough for them to upgrade their software. They do have an app and a mobil version of their site so you are still covered. Also, this does not render the site useless. You simply have to search for flights the normal way, which is select departing city and destination city. Same as on the map, just not as pretty.
 
M!M!C said:
That is the point. Flash has NEVER been supported on iOS, and iOS has been out long enough for them to upgrade their software. They do have an app and a mobil version of their site so you are still covered. Also, this does not render the site useless. You simply have to search for flights the normal way, which is select departing city and destination city. Same as on the map, just not as pretty.
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It DOESN'T MATTER. Don't have this problem on a laptop/desktop. There is no excuse. The point is, not all content works on an iPad. You make the excuse that it never has, but it's still something that doesn't work. Their mobile app doesn't have a route map, and it's an iPhone app, not an iPad app. The mobile version of the website doesn't have the route map. The point is, the FULL experience works on a desktop/laptop, not on a tablet. On a desktop/laptop, I can use *any* website. I can just do without certain things and do them differently? Why should I have to? Why should I sacrifice? I thought tablets were replacements for desktops/laptops?
 
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Feel like tomorrow if the retina 13" is updated to have a base of 8GB RAM configurable to 16 GB and SSD starts at 256 GB (instead of 128 GB), priced at $1399, the little machine would sell like hotcakes. Parents would be buying them left and right for their college kids as Christmas presents. But as I said, Apple seems determined to lowball every single "base" computer model in order to charge "Apple tax" on upgrades so it probably won't happen.
 
Although iMacs won't be updated tomorrow, I wish they were. The Mac Pro will proably be too expensive, seeing as ill need to buy a screen too. A man can dream.....
 
I have a 2012 MacBook Pro, and if I didn't need it to manage my photo, music and video collection on my iPad and iPhones, I'd sell it. If only the iPad had a mini USB port to which I could connect a backup drive, I wouldn't need a computer at all. I wouldn't miss it at all. And I'm a writer. I do almost all my writing on my iPad.
 
Bingo

Ubele said:
I love my iPad and my iPhone, but, as many others have said, there are still some things for which a Mac is better suited. One point I haven't seen anyone else make: now that Apple gets my money every two years for a high-end iPad and iPhone for myself and my wife, I have less discretionary income to spend on a new Mac, which I update every four or five years. If I hadn't spent money on new iPads and iPhones last year, I would have purchased a 27" iMac or a rMBP. Instead, I bought a refurbished Mac mini for a third of the price, and I use it with a 12-year-old monitor. It does what I need to do.
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One only has so much money.

Beside the fact that updates in hardware are only minor, and getting more focused on things like longer battery life.

A sports car
A 4 door Sedan
A truck

If the truck can handle the load does it matter if its a 2014 or 2010, why update.
 
djtech42 said:
Apple hasn't been updating the Mac line enough. It's as simple as that. If they want more sales, they need to do something.
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I seriously doubt that is the reason! I know people who love mac don't want to believe what appears to be the truth: Tablets are eating PC sales! Apple won't be doing frequent updates to something that is not going to sale to good.

Why would people (majority) need a PC to send/receive emails and browse the net?
 
Damn it, Apple! Go back to the basic foundation.........COMPUTERS.
Update new lines of mac every year or 2.
Quit with games....and let us know you're serious about making Apple the company that specialize in computers...
 
kds1 said:
P.P.S. And let's face it, Pages and Numbers don't hold a candle to Word and Excel. Who is going to create their resume on Pages? Who prints and sends resume's through the mail anymore? You email them. Ever worked with a recruiting agency? They want your resume in Word format 99% of the time (sometimes they will accept a PDF) but they sure as hell will not take your resume in pages format.
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While I agree that Pages and Numbers are not nearly as fully featured as Word and Excel, they are more than sufficient for many common everyday tasks. Recently, I wrote a professional profile (like a resume) on my iPad using one of the resume templates provided with the app. It was stupidly easy. I sent it in PDF format, which was easy to convert in the Pages app. Frankly, I prefer to send stuff like resumes to end users as PDF so they can not be accidentally modified.

There is a budget template in Numbers as well for folks that might want to set up a simple cost tracking system other than Mint.

My point isn't that tablets are a complete replacement for a computer. But, there is no doubt that tablets have had an impact on peoples decisions about how and when they replace their computers.....which explains the general trend of lower computer sales, including Macs.
 
Maybe their sales have declined because they haven't updated their hardware in a very long time and people have been expecting new updates since they announced them as early as june! Nobody is going to buy a current mac right now when Apple has basically said everything is getting updated. It'd just be a waste of money. So no shock there.

But I'm sure they'll start going up tomorrow. I've been waiting for that new Mac Pro, and I'll be purchasing as soon as possible, hopefully tomorrow.

This will be my first mac desktop and I'll be getting a highly specc'd one, probably spending 4k or more on this, so hopefully it doesn't disappoint! Got tired of my PC anyway. Hurry up and release the new Mac Pro apple! Take my money!
 
Aluminum213 said:
It's only going to drop further every year, the average laptop user just browses the web and maybe uses a word document

All that and much more can be done on iPads and tablets are only getting more and more capable every year
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While it's true that tablets are getting more powerful every year, that power is useless for people like me who require precision. All the stuff I normally do requires the utmost level of precision to execute, and I can't get that on a tablet. So for me, tablets are vastly inferior to a mouse and keyboard in that regard. I'm happy that technology is evolving, but I'm disappointed that so many vital sacrifices had to be made to achieve that kind of convenience.

kds1 said:
It DOESN'T MATTER. Don't have this problem on a laptop/desktop. There is no excuse. The point is, not all content works on an iPad. You make the excuse that it never has, but it's still something that doesn't work. Their mobile app doesn't have a route map, and it's an iPhone app, not an iPad app. The mobile version of the website doesn't have the route map. The point is, the FULL experience works on a desktop/laptop, not on a tablet. On a desktop/laptop, I can use *any* website. I can just do without certain things and do them differently? Why should I have to? Why should I sacrifice? I thought tablets were replacements for desktops/laptops?
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Looks you haven't done your research? The reason why Flash isn't available on apple's mobile devices is because Apple doesn't trust Flash. It's too buggy and flawed for them. I don't remember where I heard this from, but I remember reading about it. Why do you think the FULL experience only works on a laptop/desktop? Because Apple can't control what people choose to download on their personal computers. With the MAC, it isn't in a protected environment like Apple's mobile devices. You have the ability to install 3rd party applications on it without Apple disapproving. The degree to which tablets can supposedly replace a desktop/laptop is dependent upon what Apple allows on the hardware.

End of story. Don't like it? Convince Apple to integrate Flash into the iPhone and iPad. Good luck with that though.

@Mainsail

Until Apple releases some precision tools for people like me, I will never get an iPad. It's powerful and convenient, yes, but for heavy workloads, the single con severely outweighs all the pros.
 
No one wanting old stock just before a new release, shocker. On a more serious note its been a long time between updates so hopefully there will be more than just spec bumps.
 
MacRumors said:
Despite the fact that Apple is expected to debut Mavericks, updated Retina MacBook Pros, and the Mac Pro in October, Munster believes that Mac sales will continue to decline as Apple customers shift to iPads, with Macs representing a smaller part of Apple's overall business. Currently, Macs represent less than 15 percent of Apple's total revenue.
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Not surprising when they churn out the same basic design year after year.

MacRumors said:
iPod sales continue to decline too, with NPD data suggesting that domestic units are down 36 percent year over year (up slightly from 41% in the August data) in the full third quarter, with a 20 percent year over year drop in September. Because iPods now represent just 2% of all Apple's revenue, the overall impact of this sales decline is minor.
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Not surprising given that the current iPods still max out at 64GB and didn't receive any upgrades whatsoever this year. Very disappointing.


Apple would be in deep s*** if iPhone sales ever stopped growing.
 
kds1 said:
A tablet and a phone is NOT a replacement for a desktop or laptop computer. I don't get these statements. They're absurd!
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A television is not a replacement for a cinema, still there is no more newsreel.
Things are changing. It's absurd!
 
Apple looks for every cent out there, finds more income on iToys, no surprise.
P.S. I'm really scared to see new iMac updates. Last year's was enough
 
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