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Until Apple releases some precision tools for people like me, I will never get an iPad. It's powerful and convenient, yes, but for heavy workloads, the single con severely outweighs all the pros.

I have my Mac Pro, my MBP, my iPad and my iPhone. They are all great for different tasks. I use my Mac Pro for my work, my MBP whenever I need to work on the road or in a cafe, my iPad basically whenever I have to do things standing up, like teaching my courses (don't use books anymore), or reading when I'm in the subway or the bus. And I can't do that with a laptop or a desktop obviously so iPad is extremely useful for me.
 
If only Apple could find a way to increase their MBP sales by the 10% or so that the 17" MBP contributed...
 
While it's true that tablets are getting more powerful every year, that power is useless for people like me who require precision. All the stuff I normally do requires the utmost level of precision to execute, and I can't get that on a tablet. So for me, tablets are vastly inferior to a mouse and keyboard in that regard. I'm happy that technology is evolving, but I'm disappointed that so many vital sacrifices had to be made to achieve that kind of convenience.

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The iPad obviously wasn't made for someone like you in mind. I also use logic X and some other power programs, but on my iMac. For everything else the iPad gets the job done

Only a minority of laptop users couldn't switch to iPad only
 
ColdShadow, we may be soul mates. I love my Mac so much it's almost relationship status. Each Mac I've had is wonderful. There is actually joy in using a Mac. If necessary I can do Windows but it's not fun. It's a chore to be done and get out. I would prefer to vacuum or scrub the floors.

Glad you enjoy Macs. It's too bad that more people don't give them a try. We went with Mac for our first computer because we thought it was pretty. We were definitely not techies ;)

If I started on Windows I don't think I would have learned as much or enjoyed the experience.

I know some folks (seniors) who are frustrated by computers. If they tried a Mac it would be different. Their adults have them trying to use Win so they give up. Too bad.

I started with MS-DOS for years..then there was the awful Windows 95,98,Me..and it was the when I first saw an Apple Mac in a graphic design studio,I was mainly fascinated by it's looks and the neatness of the Mac O.S. compared to the always unreliable and unstable Windows..that was around 15 years ago.still I was a PC guy until few years ago.I have experienced almost all Windows versions (excluding 8)..I was also working as a PC tech for few years,but man,all I heard about Macs were true.I just cannot think about computing properly on any platform (including iOS) other than Mac.
 
It's only going to drop further every year, the average laptop user just browses the web and maybe uses a word document

All that and much more can be done on iPads and tablets are only getting more and more capable every year

True. The performance requirements for most users hasn't changed much for years, which is why we were able to have the 'race for the bottom' for most manufacturers, Apple been one of few exceptions. It's going to be difficult if near impossible to get the average person to spend around £1000 on a new laptop when the old one is good enough.

What is interesting though is if you are wanting a laptop or PC at the very high end your choices are very limited and the only brand available on the high street at this point is Apple. Lenovo W series or Dell Precision are online only as there just isn't the demand for them.
 
My point isn't that tablets are a complete replacement for a computer. But, there is no doubt that tablets have had an impact on peoples decisions about how and when they replace their computers.....which explains the general trend of lower computer sales, including Macs.

^^^This is agree with.^^^

Side note: I prefer to send a resume as PDF too, but, when your'e working with a recruiting agency, they 99% of the time want your resume in .docx so they can take your address/phone number out and put theirs in. They don't want the employer contacting you directly and cheating them out of their commissions since they found you in a search and presented you to their client.

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Looks you haven't done your research? The reason why Flash isn't available on apple's mobile devices is because Apple doesn't trust Flash. It's too buggy and flawed for them. I don't remember where I heard this from, but I remember reading about it. Why do you think the FULL experience only works on a laptop/desktop? Because Apple can't control what people choose to download on their personal computers. With the MAC, it isn't in a protected environment like Apple's mobile devices. You have the ability to install 3rd party applications on it without Apple disapproving. The degree to which tablets can supposedly replace a desktop/laptop is dependent upon what Apple allows on the hardware.

End of story. Don't like it? Convince Apple to integrate Flash into the iPhone and iPad. Good luck with that though.

I know all about Apple vs. Flash. I wasn't born yesterday. Yes, remember Steve Jobs open letter about Flash? Yes, I know about that. I know Apple doesn't allow it. And I don't like Flash either. My point still stands, however: A tablet is not a viable replacement for a full fledged computer. That is my point.
 
Seems like all summer long the Buyer's guide has been a sea of red lights as virtually every product line aged out. Is it a surprise that sales slumped?

A few months ago I decided I wanted to move from a dual-core to quad-core Mac Mini. But wait! There's an update coming! So, hold off. Wait. And wait and wait.

I'll buy the refreshed Mac Mini pretty much as soon as it's available. But you guys in Cupertino have to make one first.

Of course, a Retina iPad Mini might make a nice consolation prize. If I talk myself into it, that would be pretty much the first time ever I'd replaced an Apple product in just a year.
 
Most Macs are technically 'outdated' and the MBP/MBPr price-points are very steep at the moment.

Update the hardware. And turn the Pro prices down a notch. Or two.

Off-topic: The day Apple discontinues the hires MacBook Pro (15" 1680x1050 - not retina) will be a very sad day for me — I'm totally addicted to the hires resolution and would prefer it any day over retina.

I can understand wanting to be able to have two 2.5" drive bays, but how is the 15" hi-res better than the 15" Retina display? Do you use apps that don't have Retina display support yet?

Arguably, the 15" Retina renders 1680x1050 better than the hi-res does. It does this by initially rendering at a higher resolution (IIRC double, so 3360x2100) and then downscaling it to the display's native 2880x1800. With this technique, fonts and retina-ready widgets look better than they would on a native 1680x1050 display.

I use 1920x1200 mode most of the time on my 15" Retina, and it renders better than my 17" MBP w/ native 1920x1200. I love that I can choose arbitrary resolutions on the Retina and not have a noticeable difference in quality (this is an advantage CRTs had). For example, if the screen is far from my face, like when I am laying in bed, I would put it in 1440x900 mode.

That said, non-Retina apps (e.g. Ableton Live) look pretty bad unless you set it to 1920x1200 mode, or you use a 3rd party app to use the native 2880x1800 mode (that works ok for Ableton Live, because it's GUI is vector based, and there is a zoom setting that scales the GUI without pixelation, but then 3rd party plugins will be unusable at 2880x1800).
 
For starters get the price down overall. Introduce a lower priced base model either note book or imac. Get the minis displayed more prominently at resellers. Put the OD back into the imac. Keep pushing to get into education and business. However I don't think it will make much difference as people are more interested in tablets and phones these days and as more than a few people have pointed out, computers are useful for much longer these days. And anyways in a few years I imagine most computing will be done via online access even when using major pieces of software. Which could well make standalone computers, Mac or otherwise redundant.
 
It DOESN'T MATTER. Don't have this problem on a laptop/desktop. There is no excuse. The point is, not all content works on an iPad. You make the excuse that it never has, but it's still something that doesn't work. Their mobile app doesn't have a route map, and it's an iPhone app, not an iPad app. The mobile version of the website doesn't have the route map. The point is, the FULL experience works on a desktop/laptop, not on a tablet. On a desktop/laptop, I can use *any* website. I can just do without certain things and do them differently? Why should I have to? Why should I sacrifice? I thought tablets were replacements for desktops/laptops?

Flash never was supported, never will be supported, and needs NOT to be supported. Flash is quickly vanishing into obsolescence. Flash is a battery killer and frankly, is not needed now with HTML5 CSS3 Javascript. If you are in need of Flash, CD ROMs, and other ancient technology, then yes, a well equipped desktop is what you need.

So what if the mobile app does not have the route map, its a gimmick anyway. Or are you telling me you can't book a trip without clicking on one city and then the next on a map? Somehow the form fields elude you? Furthermore, the full experience of Flash works on a desktop OR any tablet not iOS. So if you need Flash (and who doesn't /s) then you can get any non-Apple tablet.

You can use *any* site on a tablet. You will not be able to use any FLASH feature of that site, but Flash is going by way of animated gifs. Again, if Flash is important to you, then by and Android tablet or a Microsoft tablet, or any notebook or desktop. I never suggested for you to do without anything. I never suggested for YOU to do anything at all. I did point out that MOST people don't need a desktop class computer and the buying trend supports that.

Tablets will replace desktops and notebooks for those who mostly CONSUME content. To fully realize this, there will have to be a dock into a larger monitor. So that is not today, but a day that is coming soon.

I bet you were among those saying CD drives need to stay in computers because everyone still uses them. Technology always changes and people either adapt to that change or not.

So let's end on a good note. I'm not even close to saying 'everyone, please stop making desktops and notebook computers', as there are many of those content creators, geeks, techies, gamers and others that will always want the most horsepower. The clear trend is people not buying new desktops and even less notebooks, but by far they are buying tablets. This is not me wishing it, wanting it, or simply being an Apple Fanboy. It is looking at technology and how people are using it and how they are supporting it with their dollars.

Thanks for the conversation, have a blessed week.
 
Flash never was supported, never will be supported, and needs NOT to be supported. Flash is quickly vanishing into obsolescence. Flash is a battery killer and frankly, is not needed now with HTML5 CSS3 Javascript. If you are in need of Flash, CD ROMs, and other ancient technology, then yes, a well equipped desktop is what you need.

I don't need CD-ROMS, I supported Apple getting rid of CD-ROMS. I never use them anymore, and haven't in years.

So what if the mobile app does not have the route map, its a gimmick anyway. Or are you telling me you can't book a trip without clicking on one city and then the next on a map? Somehow the form fields elude you? Furthermore, the full experience of Flash works on a desktop OR any tablet not iOS. So if you need Flash (and who doesn't /s) then you can get any non-Apple tablet.

You continue to miss the point, and you'll never get it. It's not about needing Flash, I dislike Flash, and I supported Apple not supporting it. My point, as I've said before, is that a tablet, ANY tablet, is not a substitute for a desktop /laptop. There are still sites out there that are using Flash, even if it's for a "Gimmick" as you say. I don't give two rips if it's a "gimmick". That's your way of brushing it off to justify your view. Gimmick or not, it's not the full experience but you dismiss it as "Well no one needs that anyway" Bull$#!# reasoning. Even if every site in the world stopped using Flash (which will happen eventually), it still wouldn't make a tablet a replacement. There are also lots of things as I mentioned before that are impractical on a tablet.

You can use *any* site on a tablet. You will not be able to use any FLASH feature of that site, but Flash is going by way of animated gifs. Again, if Flash is important to you, then by and Android tablet or a Microsoft tablet, or any notebook or desktop. I never suggested for you to do without anything. I never suggested for YOU to do anything at all. I did point out that MOST people don't need a desktop class computer and the buying trend supports that.

Tablets will replace desktops and notebooks for those who mostly CONSUME content. To fully realize this, there will have to be a dock into a larger monitor. So that is not today, but a day that is coming soon.

What the buying trend supports is that people enjoy using tablets for convenience and as a supplement to a desktop/laptop they already have, not as a replacement. That's the fantasy of tech bloggers.

I bet you were among those saying CD drives need to stay in computers because everyone still uses them.

NOPE. Just the opposite, actually.

Mainsail's reasoning is on target, your reasoning isn't.



My point isn't that tablets are a complete replacement for a computer. But, there is no doubt that tablets have had an impact on peoples decisions about how and when they replace their computers.....which explains the general trend of lower computer sales, including Macs.
 
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Im going for a 13incher...size doesnt matter to me :)

Lol, I don't use desktops anymore so this will be my only computer. Plus the dedicated GPU is good for gaming. Though I will say with the price drop the 13 inch is a much better value.
 
The fact that Apple dropped the prices on the rMBPs and priced the new Mac Pro lower than most people thought they would is a good indication that Apple believes that computer sales are declining in general, not just because people were holding off on the new updated Macs. People on this forum complain that the iPad and iPhone are too expensive (especially the additional-storage options), but when these products sell like crazy, what incentive does Apple have to drop prices? With their computers, though, apparently they had an incentive.
 
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