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The reviewer was stupid anyway, I can understand the whole mini thing but seriously complaining that the buy button on the site wasn't to his liking?.

All government workers are in CYA mode. We'll likey see a lot of stuff like this for quite some time.
 
I'd laugh if Apple were actually granted the trademark "Mini" to use on any upcoming device.
 
I'd laugh if Apple were actually granted the trademark "Mini" to use on any upcoming device.

Would've been nice way of getting your trademark disputed by Morris Mini or in current times by BMW Group.
 
The document also holds firm on the requirement that Apple add a disclaimer to its application noting that it only seeks to protect the term "mini" when used as part of the "iPad mini" name. The disclaimer would allow other companies to use the "mini" term in their own product names.
So basically, anyone including you, me and Apple can attach the word "mini" to their products. Other than keeping a few lawyers busy along with killing more trees to support the paperwork flow... WTF is the purpose of this trademark?
 
It would really be a facepalming moment if USPTO granted Apple an exclusive on "mini."
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So basically, anyone including you, me and Apple can attach the word "mini" to their products. Other than keeping a few lawyers busy along with killing more trees to support the paperwork flow... WTF is the purpose of this trademark?

Doesn't want to be confused with "Max iPad" :D.
 
The document also holds firm on the requirement that Apple add a disclaimer to its application noting that it only seeks to protect the term "mini" when used as part of the "iPad mini" name. The disclaimer would allow other companies to use the "mini" term in their own product names.

This was the most important element and it still stands.

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So when Samsung comes out with the Galaxy Tab mini.... (Smaller than the Tab but bigger than the Note) the PTO wants to lay down precedent they WEREN'T granting Apple exclusive use if "mini".

Yes. That is the heart of the matter. The other stuff was relatively unimportant.

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Apple didn't try to trademark the term "mini", did they?

Errrr........no. They did not try to not trademark "mini".

The effect of a grant of the original application would have been to give Apple a means to sue its competitors if the too used the descriptive term "mini" in their product names.
 
So basically, anyone including you, me and Apple can attach the word "mini" to their products. Other than keeping a few lawyers busy along with killing more trees to support the paperwork flow... WTF is the purpose of this trademark?

It prevents someone else from getting the trademark, for starters. You saw that the USPTO can make some rather stupid decisions. So if I applied for the "iPad Mini" trademark (I bought 100 Samsung tablets and intend to sell them with an "iPad Mini" sticker), do you think it is _impossible_ for me to get that trademark? Weirder things have happened. Now multiply by 160 countries. I might not get the trademark in the USA, but what are the bets you could get it _somewhere_?

Even if I didn't get the trademark, if Apple sued me for using the name "iPad Mini" I would say "well, your product is called iPad. But mine is called iPad Mini. Completely different, no confusion possible".
 
i dont get it either. did they trademark the "pro" of the macbook pro too? its not like someone could use the term macbook or iPad in that case in the first place so why bother with the mini combo.

Apple claims a trademark in "Macbook Pro" and other names that incorporate pro, like ProDOS and Final Cut Pro.

It is not clear that they claim rights in the "Pro" part alone. IMO, they might get rights in that if they tried, given that it is a somewhat evocative and fanciful name, and does not really mean "for professionals".

If Dell were to release a "Dellbook Pro" for example, Apple could rightly object on a number of grounds. But if Dell came out with a "Pro Line" of products, I'm not so sure that such useage would infringe.

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So maybe Apple should be playing loyalties to British Motor Corporation / British Leyland / Rover / BMW after all, they invented the word Mini with the Morris Mini-Minor back in 1959...

It is common for the same or similar names to be used in different industries. For example, "Outback" is used both as a restaurant name and as a name for Subaru's vehicle.

This is pretty basic stuff.

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Doesn't Apple hold the trademark on iPad?
So trying to trademake iPad Mini would be useless.
iPad being the trademark, mini being the model.

The model name is able to be patented as well. For example, the brand is Apple, the model is iPad.

The brand is Subaru, the model is Outback. Both are trademarks.

But if they tried to slap "car" or "4WD" on the end, it is unlikely that Subaru would get rights in the word "car" or the string "4WD".

Same with 'Mini". It is a generic and descriptive term used alone.

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So basically, anyone including you, me and Apple can attach the word "mini" to their products. Other than keeping a few lawyers busy along with killing more trees to support the paperwork flow... WTF is the purpose of this trademark?

Apple's purpose may be to gain a statutory monopoly on the word "mini". Then again, maybe they screwed up and "forgot" to disclaim that.

Nobody really knows the answer, but I would lean towards the former and not the latter.
 
Apple claims a trademark in "Macbook Pro" and other names that incorporate pro, like ProDOS and Final Cut Pro.

It is not clear that they claim rights in the "Pro" part alone. IMO, they might get rights in that if they tried, given that it is a somewhat evocative and fanciful name, and does not really mean "for professionals".

If Dell were to release a "Dellbook Pro" for example, Apple could rightly object on a number of grounds. But if Dell came out with a "Pro Line" of products, I'm not so sure that such useage would infringe.



Please explain? There is a ton of hardware (computer and otherwise) and software out there with the suffix "Pro" (not 'Professional,' just 'Pro'). And I'm sure there were just as many before Apple's MBPs.
 
Please explain? There is a ton of hardware (computer and otherwise) and software out there with the suffix "Pro" (not 'Professional,' just 'Pro'). And I'm sure there were just as many before Apple's MBPs.

The explanation is likely that Apple claims no trademark in the "Pro" suffix used alone.

In the current situation, the USPTO requires that Apple similarly disclaim any rights in the "mini" suffix used alone.
 
A Fandroid's day at the Patent Office: Apple wants to apply for what?! Apple didn't invent the alphabet!... Denied!!
 
So if I applied for the "iPad Mini" trademark (I bought 100 Samsung tablets and intend to sell them with an "iPad Mini" sticker), do you think it is _impossible_ for me to get that trademark?

Well, no you couldn't trademark that because the word "iPad" is already Apple's. Now... "gnasher's mini" would be completely acceptable. (Not intended to be a reflection of your manhood BTW :D)

That's what I don't understand. Apple didn't need to register anything and it just sounds like it's a cover-your-ass thing.
 
Well, no you couldn't trademark that because the word "iPad" is already Apple's. Now... "gnasher's mini" would be completely acceptable. (Not intended to be a reflection of your manhood BTW :D)

That's what I don't understand. Apple didn't need to register anything and it just sounds like it's a cover-your-ass thing.

Well with all the patent/trademark trolls and samesungs out there Apple needs to make sure it's collective ass is very well covered.
 
Read the article guys. Apple wants to trademark "mini" and not just "iPad mini". They already own "iPad", so they already own anything with "iPad" in it including "iPad mini". But like a kid, they just want everything, even if it isn't reasonable. They want to own a descriptive term like "mini" because it's so innovative. Get out of here.

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Caught? Doing what?
Trying to trademark a descriptive term like "mini".
 
Read the article guys. Apple wants to trademark "mini" and not just "iPad mini". They already own "iPad", so they already own anything with "iPad" in it including "iPad mini". But like a kid, they just want everything, even if it isn't reasonable. They want to own a descriptive term like "mini" because it's so innovative. Get out of here.

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Trying to trademark a descriptive term like "mini".

They didn't actually try to do that. You can quote Judas and I will just look at what they actually did try to trademark. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4003:id7n7k.2.1
 
Errrr........no. They did not try to not trademark "mini".

The effect of a grant of the original application would have been to give Apple a means to sue its competitors if the too used the descriptive term "mini" in their product names.

Then what's the point of trademarking "iPad Mini", shouldn't that already be protected under their trademark for "iPad"?

It prevents someone else from getting the trademark, for starters. You saw that the USPTO can make some rather stupid decisions. So if I applied for the "iPad Mini" trademark (I bought 100 Samsung tablets and intend to sell them with an "iPad Mini" sticker), do you think it is _impossible_ for me to get that trademark? Weirder things have happened. Now multiply by 160 countries. I might not get the trademark in the USA, but what are the bets you could get it _somewhere_?

Even if I didn't get the trademark, if Apple sued me for using the name "iPad Mini" I would say "well, your product is called iPad. But mine is called iPad Mini. Completely different, no confusion possible".

It should be since it consists of a pre-existing trademark, but I get your point. If Apple applies for it and it gets denied they have at least safe-guarded against anyone else getting it.
 
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