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You know it's ridiculous when you can't even buy an OEM battery replacement.

Can you imagine if you had to replace tires with OEM only? And if you didn't a warning light would appear?
You forgot that these OEM tires are only available from the dealership, and can't be purchased separately, and only as part of a package where you pay for the installation too.
 
Why do we have to use OEM parts?

I've used non OEM parts to repair and upgrade multiple cars without a single issue.

Requiring OEM parts is just a cash grab.
yes, some OEM parts are fine...that don't effect safety of you the driver and the other cars on the road. Some parts are extremely safety related. So, you go and buy and aftermarket passenger airbag, it's not OEM and the standards are not quite right. You're driving and hit a bump in the road and the airbag goes off killing or crippling the passenger as it is powerful enough to do that.

I completely agree that some parts should not need to be OEM, but safety related ones should be, or OEM certified.
 
You know it's ridiculous when you can't even buy an OEM battery replacement.

Can you imagine if you had to replace tires with OEM only? And if you didn't a warning light would appear?
I agree...but, what if that aftermarket battery is not to correct spec and can't handle the OEM device the rate of recharge or discharge....Li-Ion batteries will over heat can potentially catch fire....ala Samsung. So, there should be a way of having aftermarket, but still certified good.....MFI?
 
What if their products are not able to be repaired though because everything is glued together? Would that mean Apple has to rethink how they are building things?

Apple shouldn’t Push being „green“ so much anyway. It’s ridiculous that you basically have to replace the whole bottom of a laptop, including the keyboard and housing, to replace a battery or that iPads are mostly just being replaced instead of repaired
 
Will you expect apple to fix your phone when the cart in the mall breaks it and when you go back it’s gone.
 
I agree...but, what if that aftermarket battery is not to correct spec and can't handle the OEM device the rate of recharge or discharge....Li-Ion batteries will over heat can potentially catch fire....ala Samsung.

Don’t worry. I’m sure the same federal government that can’t even manage to enforce the Do Not Call list will make sure cheap, dangerous replacement products don’t flood the market.
 
Disagree 100%. You should be able to start your small repair shop today. The government should be focused on making it as easy as possible to start up a new business.

You want deregulation? The government is making it happen, removing all of Apple's regulations.

Really, this is simple monopoly busting. Apple is free to compete with their repair shops. If you think Apple's repairs are worth the higher price, by all means go with them. If you think Apple's certifications mean something, go ahead and use an Apple certified independent repair shop. But personally, I like the 16 year old in high school who will fix my phone for $30. Kid is learning how to operate a business and gaining skills for a trade - it's far more valuable than anything else they'll get in high school, and I applaud efforts to make it easier.
Your statement makes no demand is not based on any facts.
 
This is just silly. If you can’t bother to get certified in the repair you‘re doing, you don’t have the right to be in business.

I’d like the government to stay out of this, personally. If it’s just a question of who has access to parts, I’m less bothered, but if it forces design changes on Apple the we all suffer.

One of the problems with Apples official program is many parts like logic boards can't be back ordered. The repair shop cannot order 8 x MacBook Pro logic boards and keep them in stock for when they need them.

Apple requires them to request the item only when a customer wants that repair performed and Apple then requires them to send the defective part to Apple in order to receive the new part.

So if you walk into an independent repair store and need a repair that needs a replacement part beyond just a screw or a cable. Something like a display, logic board etc you have a 7+ day wait, maybe even half a month. This makes these stores less competitive compared to official Apple stores.

In addition if you decide to acquire these parts yourself as an independent purchaser outside of Apple you lose your certification. Apple is allowed as part of the certification program to spot check your repair operation at any time they please and look through your inventory.

This is Apple providing a service with extremely onerous terms to almost guarantee no independent repair shops will adhere to the terms.

Contrast this with Samsung who just has an online store listing all the parts for all their devices and you can just order any of the parts you want and they come in the mail.
 
What if their products are not able to be repaired though because everything is glued together? Would that mean Apple has to rethink how they are building things?

at least make Apple lose their „green“ label. It’s ridiculous that you basically have to replace the whole bottom of a laptop, including the keyboard and housing, to replace a battery or that iPads are basically just being replaced instead of repaired
One can only hope. Old IMacs had a magnetic attachment of the screen for easy access. It is possible
 
Most of my concern are with Battery replacement, but some day we will have Phone Battery that last 1000 cycles. Which would be enough for even 4 years of usage.
 
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Forgot to mention something important, I believe Apple is against it simply because one of their recent iPhone Unit Sales turnarounds occurred when they made Trade Ins a primary focus, back in Jan of 2019.

This is something that NONE of the "AAPL Cheerleader" stock analysts ever mention.

You know them by their last names, Munster, Ives, Huberty, & yes, even Cramer (although he is coming around, I think).
 
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Contrast this with Samsung who just has an online store listing all the parts for all their devices and you can just order any of the parts you want and they come in the mail.

If Samsung already offers consumers a superior alternative, what’s the problem here?
 
Hopefully this extends to all products. I shouldn’t have to worry that me fixing my software will get my Apple or Steam account deleted.
 
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I agree...but, what if that aftermarket battery is not to correct spec and can't handle the OEM device the rate of recharge or discharge....Li-Ion batteries will over heat can potentially catch fire....ala Samsung. So, there should be a way of having aftermarket, but still certified good.....MFI?

Why make rules for 10% of the population when 90% of batteries don't have problems?

  • What if the charger overheats and causes a fire?
  • What if the USB cable shorts and destroys the device?
  • What if someone opens up the phone and chews on the battery?
  • What if...
We don't need rules to protect against every possible outcome.
 
This is a mess in the making. Some things, some items, they are not going to be consumer friendly to fix. What makes them works is the ministration and compact nature of the device. A tractor is one thing. An AirPods something else. The dems are killing me pursuing this kind of crap...ugh.
 
Disagree 100%. You should be able to start your small repair shop today. The government should be focused on making it as easy as possible to start up a new business.

You want deregulation? The government is making it happen, removing all of Apple's regulations.

Really, this is simple monopoly busting. Apple is free to compete with their repair shops. If you think Apple's repairs are worth the higher price, by all means go with them. If you think Apple's certifications mean something, go ahead and use an Apple certified independent repair shop. But personally, I like the 16 year old in high school who will fix my phone for $30. Kid is learning how to operate a business and gaining skills for a trade - it's far more valuable than anything else they'll get in high school, and I applaud efforts to make it easier.
A market only exists because of regulations and rules. Think about it. There is no monopoly. You don't seem to have any grasp on the issues. Taking a POV simply 'because' doesn't fix anything.
 
yes, some OEM parts are fine...that don't effect safety of you the driver and the other cars on the road. Some parts are extremely safety related. So, you go and buy and aftermarket passenger airbag, it's not OEM and the standards are not quite right. You're driving and hit a bump in the road and the airbag goes off killing or crippling the passenger as it is powerful enough to do that.
Aftermarket airbag makers don't have to worry about any of that.

OEM airbag makers are perfectly capable of making dangerous airbags themselves.

 
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Don’t worry. I’m sure the same federal government that can’t even manage to enforce the Do Not Call list will make sure cheap, dangerous replacement products don’t flood the market.
Hey, I'm into fixing when I can and being a "car guy" have always modded my cars. But I am practical on anything safety related. I think that getting out of the phone/computer world, that will open a whole can of worms with liability, bad PR, etc.
 
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