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I've come to the conclusions that most Senators and Representatives are clueless! They just try to sound good good for the TV bites. They don't even know that most all check points have to be announce them in advance and most of them list them in the paper. Taspster just aggregates these announcements into one place.
 
I actually agree. Pull 'em. It may be censorship, but it's dangerous not to.

Oh please. What kind of clown voluntarily gives up freedom in the name of 'safety'? Didn't the Germans do that?

DUIs are not about safety they are cash cows. If it was about safety the kid driving 100mph weaving in and out of traffic would get just as many fines as the guy with the .11 going down an empty road @ 4am who got pulled over for not using his blinker.
 
Besides, how is this Orwellian at all? Apple isn't being asked to report users of the application or anything. Sorry man, but if it saves 1 life from drunk driving...it's the right thing to do.

That's like saying we should ban guns because of the out-of-control Black on Black crime rate. It may save one life but is it worth giving up your freedom? No.
 
People who speed and drive under the influence make me sick. Pull the apps. And when you catch the scum, throw them in jail and take away their licence. The don't deserve to walk among us.

You probably drive slow in the left lane, impeding traffic and causing people to weave in and out of lanes, because of some god-given moral crusade to stop speeders. Speeding doesn't kill, the Autobahn proves that.

You're just some wanna-be moral crusader.
 
I am going to say that I am in favor of not having Apps whose only purpose is to assist people in breaking laws and also increase the possibility that someone innocent will get injured or killed because of the use of such an Application.

WHy on earth to people keep cluelessly claiming that this app is designed to avoid 'breaking laws'?

What is wrong with you people? Are you so clueless and ignorant you are willing to give up all your freedoms over some nonsense?

I would use this app to avoid dui checkpoints when I'm sober. They are a stupid waste of time and just irritate people. They use those checkpoints as an excuse to check everything about you, look through your car, etc.

For those who are so eager to love censorship and jump into a police state, would you not mind some random police searching your home and personal belongings "just to make sure you aren't doing anything illegal"?
 
For example, it ought to be possible to come up with machine readable license plates (or transponders or something); fixed sites that track should be very rare and exceptional, but every police car ought to be able to be aware instantly of every vehicle nearby and the driving record of each driver associated with that vehicle, and able to pick out the ones that have problem histories, as well as any vehicles reported stolen. Vehicle location data should simply not be retained for more than a few days unless there's an arrest, and retrieval during that limited time should never be done with the data without a warrant. That's nothing that a lot more cops just using their eyes to see what anyone can see couldn't do.

That already exists - a camera reads tags and runs them through various databases. Hits results in in vehicle alerts. Not sure how the data is used (or kept) past the initial search; but building a database of vehicle travel history is not beyond the keen.
 
I like how this thread is still active. Like I said the Senators are the best PR this app could ever get. When the government tells us we can not or should not have something, thats usually when we want it more.
 
Wrong point being argued...

Steve's sense of morality is at odds with my love of his products.

It's not the apps that are the problem, it's that the law allows liquor to be sold/consumed anywhere other than a personal residence. You allow it to be sold/consumed at bars, restaurants, even sporting events (or where they are held)... and then complain when people drive while intoxicated.
Stop complaining about apps that are useful to those of us who prefer to avoid road hazards. Just stop encouraging people to drink away from home so they then have to choose... Leave their vehicle somewhere and figure out how to get back to it, or drive it home. Should never even be a choice. :mad:

Frankly, our US Senators and Representatives have acted like they have absolutely no brains at all... The apps are not the issue, it's the laws they have failed to change that promote the problem. Get out of the pockets of the big business (in this case, Alcoholic beverage companies), and start to make some sense. Let one of these idiots have a Town Hall near me... Please!? :confused:

As Bill would say, "...but, I'm not wrong."

Note: I don't drink, never have. The most I've ever had was a glass of wine as a toast at a wedding (I usually grab something non-alcholic if available). :D
 
Steve's sense of morality is at odds with my love of his products.

It's not the apps that are the problem, it's that the law allows liquor to be sold/consumed anywhere other than a personal residence. You allow it to be sold/consumed at bars, restaurants, even sporting events (or where they are held)... and then complain when people drive while intoxicated.

Wow. Really? You are suggesting a ban on all things that, when used/consumed in excess, cause a human to function differently? I'm aware you stated you've only ever had alcohol once, and that's great. But you are aware that it's possible to consume a delicious beverage, which contains alcohol, and not become impaired, right?

Also, I'm aware that many parts of the United States (and the world) do not have the selection of breweries that we here in the NW have. But there are plenty of good drink around here that are made on site and can not easily be taken home for consumption. But that's not really what bothers me, what bothers me is your suggested ban on things that could be abused.

If you want to get to the crux of the matter, it's not even alcohol. The actual problem is operating dangerous machinery while impaired, which is ALREADY illegal. To try and enact laws against perfectly okay things in the hope that it might preempt someones attempt to do something that is already illegal, is just asinine. Alcohol does not drive drunk. People do. This is why cell phones aren't band, the use of a cell phone in a car by the operator is. It's why guns are not illegal, the use of them against a human being is.

For the record, I consume multiple beverages per week, and have been drunk once in my life. A number of times I've felt okay to drive, but questioned whether I could pass a breathalyser, so I handed the keys to someone else. It's really quite simple to not do something illegal. Also for the record, I have no problem not shooting people and using a cell phone in the car :rolleyes:
 
A number of times I've felt okay to drive, but questioned whether I could pass a breathalyser, so I handed the keys to someone else. It's really quite simple to not do something illegal.

The problem is that so many people do it daily (driving while under the influence), not because they want to drive drunk, but because they think they're still OK to drive. Others do it because they want to avoid the hassles I described. I wish more people had sense enough to say they shouldn't drive or plan accordingly (designated drivers, I hate driving others around... but I'm always doing it). The reality is we have the laws to handle this stuff, but they're usually authored by people in the pockets of the industries the laws affect and are slanted in favor of business and money. I never said make it illegal, I just believe that the current laws (and licensing of liquor sales for a fee and higher taxes) places local governments in the money making business instead of the public safety business where they should be... To say you can't have apps because they allow you to pass information to other people about where things are going on is just stupid, like many other things that the sheltered lawmakers of our country do. Next it will be websites with active HTML5... then they'll put pressure on the hosting companies? DJ's can't let people call in and report where police are? Where does that stop? http://www.dumblaws.com
The point still stands; We as a society encourage people to consume things with deleterious effects away from home, and then get upset when they get on the road. Work special events for 10 years and then tell me after an event that had 30k on the grounds, that thousands of them didn't leave there above the legal limit and drive home. There's many fences, gates, light poles, and workers around the local venues to tell you other wise. It's about the money, not the art of making drinks. How many places in an event can you get a mixed drink, vs. beer? If mixed/specialty drinks were all that were allowed away from home, it still wouldn't be good enough. People would abuse that too... because they can. Again, people and their inability to control themselves and make good decisions while sober (like knowing how much of something they can consume and not go over the limit), just leads to them making even worse decisions when they're not sober (when they keep drinking and then drive). There's no need to enact additional laws, just stop issuing/renewing liquor licenses for places that breed the drink and drive behavior. There's a reason, most locales can't have drive through liquor stands.
Our government should be working on major issues instead of trying to make themselves look good by strong-arming distributers into not allowing legal things to be sold. Guns are not banned because they're attached to the constitution and they're are major lobbyists groups who'd like to keep it that way. They've made radar detectors illegal in some places, and even actions between consenting adults... Next it will be CB's which have been letting people communicate where speed and other traps are since they were first sold. I know a few people who use all of the above and any method they can to avoid check points and places where they're are lots of (or hidden) police to avoid being harassed just for being out. The services are either legal or they're not. These lawmakers are just going after (pun intended) low hanging fruit. It makes them look like they're doing something, when in reality it's pretty much useless. This isn't as bad as Congressional hearings on drug use in baseball, but it's in the same... ballpark.

Wow... ramble, butit'll have to do.
 
Theres more to what meets the eye

Apple made the proper judgement call IMHO. Schummer is a career politician and I guarantee that this letter increased his 20 million dollar campaign chest along with the others involved.

With that said I am not saying the app's should stay nor am I saying they should go.

The government is so overboard with control now that its going to turn on its own and then there's going to be hell to pay.
 
The seemingly only purpose of this app is to avoid the checkpoints could be dangerous to those of us who don't drink and drive. They should pull any app.

And who are you, you little Nazi, to determine which applicationi should stay up and which one should be taken down!
People like you just amaze me! You should become a congressman, you'll fit right in with the bunch of 500!

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The government tells Apple what they can and can't do all the time. That's why Jobs gets deposed, the FCC regulate their cell phones and Apple can't knock down your house to build an Apple Store on top of it or irradiate small Chinese kids to make the products for it.

If thousands can ask Apple to take down an anti-gay app then why not a few officials asking them to take down an app that gives drunken dicks an advantage?

If it was just 150,000 regular people asking Apple to take it down (MADD for example) would you have a problem with it?

Actually, you've got that upside-down, buddy! Apple CAN build an Apple Store in place of your house EXACTLY because of government. Have you heard of "imminent domain"? It's a creation of government, not the free market or Apple.
 
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