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It has everything to do with the convenience of the app. A certain number of intoxicated people will likely decide to drive drunk based on the feeling that they will be able to avoid these checkpoints easily with this app. If they didn't know where, or just didn't check the paper that day (and you know they wouldn't), they might play it safe...saving..maybe the person YOU love their life.

Human life and commonsense > Constitution. After a nuclear holocaust, what will people hide behind - common sense or the constitution?
 
I live in Nevada and honestly the cops spend more time Giving tickets out then doing real police work. Since the state has been financial hardship, The cops are out drumming up business. Honestly, do you think someone who is Drunk is going to be checking the app for the checkpoints? Its just an excuse to get rid of these apps from the store and increase revenue. Apple dont bend to the pressure, These apps do not break any rules for the App store and if you start letting the Government decide what should and shouldnt be, is the day I finally Jailbreak my Iphone.

I actually agree with you. A government can't dictate what a company can do, especially if it is not government owned. Plus, the US is a capitalist economy, so the US can't control privately owned businesses.
 
Do a poll macrumors.... Us 6 want them pulled Now!!... the others not quoted want them to stay on the App Store for no real good or beneficial reason

Sure, my constitutional freedom is not good enough or beneficial for you of any reasons ...

How about you go live say in Libya, with Gaddafi then.
 
Genuine question: how do people against the police being allowed to randomly check people in dangerous vehicles on the road feel about airport security? Isn't going through 'nude' X-ray machines or having an intimate 'pat down' more invasive than being checked for alcohol consumption? If Apple were carrying an app that let you avoid airport security, would that be a good thing? In fact if it should be legal that checkpoints for cars be announced and alternative routes provided, why is this not the case for a trip by airplanes, just road vehicles? Where is the difference in principle? And remember, air passengers aren't even driving.

I should say I think the world is way over the top about security in lots of places and way too lax in others. But I'm still having trouble seeing DUI checkpoints as anything like as big an infringement on civil liberties/rights as plenty of other things that go by all the time without anything like the fuss in this thread. Maybe it's a cultural thing, I'm a brit and the police don't have to tell us if they are waiting to catch speeders, though there are signs up for cameras. We don't tend to have checkpoints though, I think random stops probably are more effective, and make apps like these redundant.


The "nude' x-rays and the pat-downs? They do very little if anything to make people safer, and trample people's rights in the name of security theater.. Just like DUI checkpoints. I'm against all three tyvm.
 
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

This is ********. As someone who never drives drunk and hopefully never will, if I had an iPhone or iPad with 3G, I'd find this app very useful! I hate DUI checkpoints, they're a pain in the ass when you hit one on the way home from running errands, and I'm afraid of cops, and always feel extremely nervous talking to them, even if they're nice. I'd love to know ahead of time to go around them instead of wasting a bunch of time and ending up strung out when I get home!
 
The "nude' x-rays and the pat-downs? They do very little if anything to make people safer, and trample people's rights in the name of security theater.. Just like DUI checkpoints. I'm against all three tyvm.

Not only that, but if you really want to know how at least "some" Americans feel about that, watch a documentary entitled 911: In plane sight (2007)
 
It has everything to do with the convenience of the app. A certain number of intoxicated people will likely decide to drive drunk based on the feeling that they will be able to avoid these checkpoints easily with this app. If they didn't know where, or just didn't check the paper that day (and you know they wouldn't), they might play it safe...saving..maybe the person YOU love their life.

Human life and commonsense > Constitution. After a nuclear holocaust, what will people hide behind - common sense or the constitution?

I don't know how many times this quote has been posted, but here it goes again:

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

If you really believe people are hiding behind the Constitution, then you must not understand what it is. The very things you give precedence to; human life and common sense, both of which are protected because of the constitution.

My ancestors fought and bled for our Civil Liberties, every first male born in my family has served in the military to defend the constitution "abroad and domestically", so it saddens me to see my fellow citizens defecate on our Civil Liberties, without so much as a courtesy flush.

I don't know about you, but I never want to know what it's like to live in a Police state, because so many are willing to pinch my freedoms off at a truck stop restroom.
 
Next on the crooked senators hit lists, apps to find cheap gasoline! We certainly can't have people finding cheaper gas on the go who try to circumvent the currently insanely ridiculous gas prices that are caused by unnecessarily insane high oil prices!

All of these crooked senators should be voted out of office! Of course, unfortunately if that were to occur they'd only be replaced by other crooked senators that fooled the people into voting for them and they'd be no better than the crooks that they've replaced.

You would think with all of the problems in the world today that senators would be too busy to pay attention to DUI checkpoint apps, which is likely only used by a small percentage of the population at best, but this is obviously not the case and so who knows what they'll target next.
 
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Sure, my constitutional freedom is not good enough or beneficial for you of any reasons ...

How about you go live say in Libya, with Gaddafi then.

Gotta love the hypocrisy of a nation of people who put GWB in the White House even though he gained less votes than his opponent (even after he gerrymandered Florida). Democracy? Freedom? You're right though, being Libyan wouldn't be much fun. Especially now as America keeps bombing my oil-rich little ass every night. Wonder why America's not interested in the other oil-poor countries like Yemen whose leaders are using violence to repress its people. Wonder why America doesn't stop its oil-rich buddies like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain from brutalising its people. What is the connection?
 
Gotta love the hypocrisy of a nation of people who put GWB in the White House even though he gained less votes than his opponent (even after he gerrymandered Florida). Democracy? Freedom? You're right though, being Libyan wouldn't be much fun. Especially now as America keeps bombing my oil-rich little ass every night. Wonder why America's not interested in the other oil-poor countries like Yemen whose leaders are using violence to repress its people. Wonder why America doesn't stop its oil-rich buddies like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain from brutalising its people. What is the connection?

Really confused by multiple parts of this statement; (1) George Bush won because of the Electoral College (US Presidents are not elected out of popular vote... very surprised you don't know this) and (2) you do realize that the US is not dependent on Middle Eastern oil, right?
 
I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that there are so many complete morons arguing that these kinds of apps are good, or "their right".

Drink driving is one of the most reckless, ignorant crimes out there short of actually going out and attacking someone.

As for laws that say they have to announce checkpoints to the public, these just reveal the low mental quality of the people who lobby for that kind of legislation.

Nasty, ugly, selfish people.

You should take a look in the mirror more often.
 
Next on the crooked senators hit lists, apps to find cheap gasoline! We certainly can't have people finding cheaper gas on the go who try to circumvent the currently insanely ridiculous gas prices that are caused by unnecessarily insane high oil prices!

All of these crooked senators should be voted out of office! Of course, unfortunately if that were to occur they'd only be replaced by other crooked senators that fooled the people into voting for them and they'd be no better than the crooks that they've replaced.

You would think with all of the problems in the world today that senators would be too busy to pay attention to DUI checkpoint apps, which is likely only used by a small percentage of the population at best, but this is obviously not the case and so who knows what they'll target next.

haha gassbuddy :D best thing ever.. well website haha..

i can see the senators being like oh yes and we made Mr. Ninja (jobs) take a app out of the app store. all flexing there flabby arms saying how strong they are. Why don't they go fight obesity and start by going to the gym themselves. I think as our leaders they should have a weight limit and fit test. and make then all be in shape... :D little of topic haha
 
Yep In CA they have to post the time and locations in the newspaper or on the Police Dept website so pulling the App is a waste of time here.

That just goes to show you on how stupid that law really is. it needs to be changed, ANYONE driving over the legal limit should be delt with. there should be NO law that says that they have to announce where a DUI checkpoint is at.

This App should have never been allowed on the store in the first place. anyone driving over the legal limit should not get a heads up on DUI check points. i have had so many friends and family members die due to a drunk driver. i stand with the government, pull these Apps.

a DUI check point is there for a reason, announcing it only goes against why its done in the first place. People can say its censorship, i call bull crap on them this is not censorship. its called defeating the whole purpose of a DUI checkpoint.

Personally I find it hard to believe that so drunk as to warrant avoiding a checkpoint will be collected enough to use the app effectively in the first place.

Just because you are drunk does not mean that you are not capable of using a phone or collecting data on where a checkpoint is. using a phone is not like driving a car. you do know that when you are over the legal limit you are considered drunk even if you are 100% functional.
 
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That just goes to show you on how stupid that law really is. it needs to be changed, ANYONE driving over the legal limit should be delt with. there should be NO law that says that they have to announce where a DUI checkpoint is at.

This App should have never been allowed on the store in the first place. anyone driving over the legal limit should not get a heads up on DUI check points. i have had so many friends and family members die due to a drunk driver. i stand with the government, pull these Apps.

a DUI check point is there for a reason, announcing it only goes against why its done in the first place. People can say its censorship, i call bull crap on them this is not censorship. its called defeating the whole purpose of a DUI checkpoint.

Yet another that doesn't get it about the Constitution.

A checkpoint comes real close to being search without a warrant, to the point that it can come down to the details of how it's implemented.

Freedom is more important than the lives of everyone who has ever died for it, whether by chosen service or merely as a consequence of the irresponsible or criminal acts of others. It's more important than you, me, and the lives of everyone that both of us care about. _All_ death is senseless to the survivors, even death of natural causes. So don't give me tragedy stories, because loss is part of living, and attempts to reduce loss by taking away freedom just reduce the value of living instead.

Moreover, denying any information that might impact sober people's legitimate activities comes real close to a presumption of guilt.

Pre-emptive measures of any sort completely ignore the requirement to establish probable cause first. They're cheapskate alternatives to a proper solution, like more highway cops actually driving and looking for erratic drivers. They're like the foolishness of groping or scanning little kids and grandmothers in the airport to avoid being perceived as profiling young middle eastern men. Profile the heck out of any group that's got a big enough statistic; but more than that, teach these idiots at TSA (and the highway patrol, if the shoe fits) to profile _behavior_.

For example, it ought to be possible to come up with machine readable license plates (or transponders or something); fixed sites that track should be very rare and exceptional, but every police car ought to be able to be aware instantly of every vehicle nearby and the driving record of each driver associated with that vehicle, and able to pick out the ones that have problem histories, as well as any vehicles reported stolen. Vehicle location data should simply not be retained for more than a few days unless there's an arrest, and retrieval during that limited time should never be done with the data without a warrant. That's nothing that a lot more cops just using their eyes to see what anyone can see couldn't do.

Yes, it's possible for someone unable to drive safely to still be able to use an app. So what? I'm quite satisfied that on average, those that choose to be informed are likelier to be sane and sober than those that don't; and those that would be an exception to that would be an active danger to others whether or not a checkpoint tracking app existed.

May all the gremlins of the universe haunt anyone so obsessed with safety and security that they're willing to give up freedom for it.

Also, please note that these traffic apps aren't necessarily primarily about evading DUI checkpoints! With trapster for instance, people can report all sorts of road hazards, not just legitimate law enforcement activities. Something like that is really no different than a CB radio (because the reports come from other drivers or information that's publically available anyway) except that it's got a database behind it, a map in front of it, and no particular range limit.

What we have here is simply pompous ass senators acting like they were privileged Roman senators rather than public servants under a Constitution, and posturing for the masses; it's all posturing and power to them, usually at taxpayer expense.

I think a better case might be made that traffic apps of any sort, or even GPS units for cars, will undoubtedly get a few innocent people killed in accidents caused by _distracted_ drivers. But like all such claims, that neglects to consider time and possibly lives that might be saved by such tools, and probably neglects that most of those that use them will be using them safely and responsibly.
 
That just goes to show you on how stupid that law really is. it needs to be changed, ANYONE driving over the legal limit should be delt with. there should be NO law that says that they have to announce where a DUI checkpoint is at.

A DUI checkpoint allows the police to stop and check every single car driving past them. It also allows them to stop and check every single car driven by a driver who hasn't done anything wrong, and who didn't give the police any reason whatsoever to believe that he or she did anything wrong. That's what makes it non-constitutional: The police shouldn't be allowed to stop and check anyone unless there is a suspicion of some wrongdoing. This is not about the rights of drunk drivers, it is about the rights of the huge majority who doesn't drink and drive.
 
come on...

I'm not saying drunk driving is good. It also sounds like a pretty bad idea having drunk drivers checking their iPhones. REGARDLESS. It's not apple's job to censor this. It's freedom of information. The information is available online somewhere and so the people have the right to it. All the application does is provide it in a convenient location. just like every other "avoid the cops" app.
 
Pre-emptive measures of any sort completely ignore the requirement to establish probable cause first. They're cheapskate alternatives to a proper solution, like more highway cops actually driving and looking for erratic drivers. They're like the foolishness of groping or scanning little kids and grandmothers in the airport to avoid being perceived as profiling young middle eastern men. Profile the heck out of any group that's got a big enough statistic

This goes against your whole rant of you should not restrict freedom for safety. Those groups you are profiling have just as much right not be hassled as those grandmothers and kids and should also enjoy the right of not being presumed guilty before proof.

; but more than that, teach these idiots at TSA (and the highway patrol, if the shoe fits) to profile _behavior_.

This, I will agree with though. This I think is where Israel has it right (and honestly, profiling by race is really a way of giving terrorists an easy way around you, find some one of a different race that sympathizes. So not only is profiling by ethnicity not constitutional, it's also a "feel good" (if you're lucky enough not to be of that race cause I assure you it doesn't make those who are innocent but happen to be of the race you are profiling feel safe) measure.
 
. If they didn't know where, or just didn't check the paper that day (and you know they wouldn't), they might play it safe...saving..maybe the person YOU love their life.

Human life and commonsense > Constitution. After a nuclear holocaust, what will people hide behind - common sense or the constitution?

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Road blocks are an invasion of privacy and a corruption of civil rights (shades of the Nazi Gestapo). There is no cause to suspect every driver may be intoxicated; no reasonable suspicion. Are there any statistics that show that such road blocks actually decrease the incidence of drunk driving in a given area? (aka before and after in same areas or it is not a valid comparision)

The underlying message here from Senator Buttinski is that apps like Trapster and others may impact state revenue . They tell the potential offenders where a hazard might be. This in itself is a deterrent and serves the public interest. Most of the time the tips in Trapster are old , even if they were reported within 10 minutes. Police move around. Ultimately the trapster user becomes paranoid and conforms to the law thus serving the public interest. Trapster never says "oh, nobody is there, hit the hammer" because it is only a "better watch out" app, not a "go for it" app.

Eliminating this sort of app on the basis of people communicating with eachother regardless of the topic is government sensorship and in violation of my first amendment rights. :mad:Senator Nazi Buttinski needs to back off.:mad:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
 
No, no, and oh h*ll no!

The comment below is a crock of B.S. I'm sorry, but that's all it amounts to!

Most of the chronic alcoholics who get caught drinking and driving are SO caught up in their addiction, it's not even a matter of planning and plotting a way to escape detection. They're simply not going to be firing up their smartphone and checking Trapster, and adjusting their route based on the warnings it issues. That's laughable... Usually, they're more like the guy they caught recently who opened another can of beer and started drinking it while they were writing him up for a DWI, or like the woman where I live, who couldn't help but be drawn in by a bar a few doors down from the court building where she was due to show up for her DWI case. She wound up coming in late and drunk.

The other people you refer to? They're the ones who aren't alcoholics, but rather, maybe had "one too many" while out celebrating, and they're pretty confident they can safely drive back home by the time the place closes - yet they know full well it's a calculated risk. Unlike some people out there, I really don't condemn these folks. It doesn't take much alcohol at all to trigger a DUI if you're pulled over and they make you take a breathalyzer test. If we're going to scream about the guy who had 1 beer and decides to drive home, we better scream MORE loudly about all the people who drive while tired. They're probably a far bigger risk, yet a more socially acceptable one.

I'm SURE not going to start shredding up our Constitution and giving up rights and freedoms over the situation above!


It has everything to do with the convenience of the app. A certain number of intoxicated people will likely decide to drive drunk based on the feeling that they will be able to avoid these checkpoints easily with this app. If they didn't know where, or just didn't check the paper that day (and you know they wouldn't), they might play it safe...saving..maybe the person YOU love their life.

Human life and commonsense > Constitution. After a nuclear holocaust, what will people hide behind - common sense or the constitution?
 
It has everything to do with the convenience of the app. A certain number of intoxicated people will likely decide to drive drunk based on the feeling that they will be able to avoid these checkpoints easily with this app. If they didn't know where, or just didn't check the paper that day (and you know they wouldn't), they might play it safe...saving..maybe the person YOU love their life.

Human life and commonsense > Constitution. After a nuclear holocaust, what will people hide behind - common sense or the constitution?

Sorry, but you're wrong. Laws that protect everyone's rights are more important than individual lives. How? Simple. The excuse "if it saves even one life, it's worth it" is routinely abused to justify anything. It can even be abused to cover actions that end up costing lives. Limited government should not be able to pursue the sort of power games that such excuses allow.

Trapster has eleven categories of hazards or delays people can report. Only three of those represent any kind of law enforcement activity, and far more of that is old speed traps than DUI stops. Speed trap locations may be reused, so even old reports might cause someone to slow down or stay alert.

AFAIK, neither you nor the meddling senators have any clue whether such apps will lead to more dangerous behavior or _safer_ behavior (by people trying to avoid tickets or delays). Nor would a statistical model of what some percentage of a group of people might be doing be probable cause for stopping them anyway.
 
If you're ok to use this app and comprehend it, you're probably ok to drive. I see these apps as more of a way to avoid an inconvenience then a way to avoid getting caught breaking the law. If you are stupid enough to drink and drive then not having this app isn't going to stop you.
 
Seems silly to attempt to remove an app like trapster (which was named).

This app has nothing to do with DUI checkpoints, but more to do with Live police enforcement, and road hazards.

I use this app everytime I drive. It is coupled with a Valentine V1 radar.laser detector, Blinder Laser jammer, Uniden CB, Uniden Scanner, multiple Garmin GPS units with extension antenna and the audio interface which allows alerts to go through my car speakers muting the music.

It is not about avoidance of the law, or a tool to do as you freely want to. It is about being caught off guard, pulled over and ticketed for minor offenses, or dangerous road hazards.

Phantom Alert is hilarious, as I don't use it, but I have it. It does not work that well, and is dependent on user input.

I think Congress should worry more about the state of the country, then the app store. Until there is a direct comparison to DUI accidents going up along with app usage, this is a non point. Move on Congress, maybe work out that budget thing you have such a problem with.
 
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