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That's certainly an easy position to take. Sounds woke. Requires no critical thought.

Much harder is to acknowledge that indeed powerful communication technology with total privacy and encryption is an extremely dangerous loophole that didn't exist before. We can't march blindly into this, distribute it everywhere, and pretend like there will be no consequences.

I don't quite know what the answer is. I do know government control is not the answer, so the private sector had better wake up and stop ignoring this problem.
The Supreme Court has considered items like this on a very regular basis. Justice Scalia wrote on behalf of the court in 1987 in Arizona v. Hicks:
Antonin Scalia said:
There is nothing new in the realization that the Constitution sometimes insulates the criminality of a few in order to protect the privacy of us all.
It would be like having a massive, unbreakable safe. The government could confiscate the safe via warrant, but if it's unbreakable, they can't compel the accused to provide the combination to open it.

The Supreme Court has a myriad of decisions affirming that liberty will necessarily result in some criminals going free.

This is why the 1st and 2nd Amendment is so important!
I think you meant the 4th not the 2nd.

Yup. Pretty much . The only way that I can see this make senators happy is that there could be a one time use bypass for devices but I'm 100% sure law enforcement agencies would try to find a way to make it unlimited
There is no way this doesn't become the case. They use the extreme circumstance to justify the creation of the tool, then continue to lower the bar until it's used for neighbourhood petty crime.

Dear Lawmakers,

You can’t be entrusted to keep the keys to my backdoor. The NSA lost a whole suite of their hacking tools to the bad guys a few years ago. Result: hundreds of thousands of computers became infected with nasties, and many systems were badly compromised – including government ones.
They will lose control of this too. It is also inevitable that if there is a way "around" the math, since going through the math is nearly impossible, that others will find the same way around.

Government agents are just too lazy to set up stings, do buy-busts, or investigate crimes after they've been committed. They want to eliminate 4th Amendment protections and simply create a police state. The answer is no.

Will bad things happen? Yes. That's how we know we're still living in a free society. Liberty is risky. It involves danger. It sure beats being a slave, though.
Exactly. Good old fashioned police work still works.
I'll take risky liberty over the alternate every day.

Yo' Senators. Law enforcement can gain access to encrypted data from Facebook and Apple. It's call getting a warrant. There's something called the 4th Amendment.
This isn't the issue. What they want is the ability to request unencrypted data.

RSA can be implemented in less than half a page of Python code.
A 2048 bit key would take approximately the energy to boil an ocean to break.

So here we are. We can implement unbreakable encryption in less than a page of Python.
I'd say the cat is out of the bag and we are done with the argument.

What is the senate screaming about?
Exactly. There is no way the government can prevent an individual from encrypting a string of text and then just plain old emailing, or hell, physically mailing, that encrypted document.

The Senate and Law Enforcement wants to ban effective encryption on a massive scale. They aren't concerned with the individual using RSA, but rather massive use of encryption. This, in my opinion, absolutely defeats the government's argument this is about individual heinous cases.
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Welcome to the United States of Amerika, created by the new Republikan party.
This is not a partisan issue. Both parties have large contingents that will support law enforcement's request for an encryption back door.
 
It was only a few years ago that nobody had the tech to easily send or receive encrypted messages. What we have today (encryption of messages) is clearly an experiment that won't stand the test of time.
The world ran just fine before the invention of the smartphone.

I remember a children’s plastic toy from circa a half a century ago or more (maybe it came in a cereal box?) that allowed kids to easily send and receive encrypted messages. A substitution cipher used with a one time pad is extremely strong.
 
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Provided that app writes data out to either a Lightning connector or USB port of a cellphone.
It's easier on an Android phone because with USB OTG it can treat an external device like local storage and can read the file system.

So to answer your question, yes.
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Would be nice if one could create such a device
 
The total ignorance of virtually all policy makers, globally, confounds me. The most secure encryption software available IS OPEN SOURCE. Anyone in the world can download it and use it without *any* contact with a major tech company. Tech companies do not control encryption software - nobody does! There are, literally, millions upon millions of complete copies of the latest open source encryption software scattered all over the world. The genie has been out of that bottle for 40 years! Any bad actor can put together a totally functional, custom, encrypted messaging app in a heartbeat, without ever using any software authored by the tech companies that these idiots are threatening. What really gets me, though, is that these conversations happen all the time, and yet no one mentions the fact I've just stated above. Why? If I were Apple or FB, the point I'm making would be the one and only rebuttal I'd offer these clowns.
 
They need to stop using the term "back door". Instead, a copy of the private key is stored on Apple servers along with the iCloud data. Back door would indicate there's a master password that anyone can use. There's a court order that's' provided to Apple (or other provider) for the private key, simple.

If anyone thinks the US gov't has time to look at the hentai on your phone or whatever ridiculous garbage you're protecting, you need to stop reading the radical media on whichever end and spend more time outdoors. For those that are harboring contraband on your phone, like child exploitation or materials used in the commission of fraud, I hope you go down in flames and enjoy prison. If you live in a country where your rights aren't respected, or you don't think they're respected, then stop complaining and leave.

Get a grip on reality. If you're not doing anything grossly illegal, no one cares.
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All of these Senators currently serving need to be thrown out and replaced in the upcoming 2020 Elections. Get rid of ALL of the stupid incumbents!

Because they don't align with your beliefs on encryption, they are stupid and need to be replaced? Good lord. Get triggered much?
 
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Senators need to grow a brain instead of kissing each others butts and saying to themselves how great a job they are doing. Not
 
Apple faced a major encryption battle with the United States government in 2016 when it refused to provide the government with the tools to unlock the iPhone owned by the San Bernadino shooter.

It was my understanding that the San Bernadino shooters' locked iPhone(s) belonged to their employer, i.e. the San Bernadino county government. It was a work phone.

So, because a government entity lost access by failing to control its iPhone passwords, a bigger and more powerful government wants us to trust it with backdoor access. Don't do it, Apple!
 
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That's certainly an easy position to take. Sounds woke. Requires no critical thought.

Much harder is to acknowledge that indeed powerful communication technology with total privacy and encryption is an extremely dangerous loophole that didn't exist before. We can't march blindly into this, distribute it everywhere, and pretend like there will be no consequences.

I don't quite know what the answer is. I do know government control is not the answer, so the private sector had better wake up and stop ignoring this problem.
Until the 1900’s every conversation was encrypted, if no one was around your conversation was kept completely private. Just because I have technology to facilitate my conversation doesn’t mean that the government should ever be able to access it.

What if I say something bad against the government(that’s not illegal) but in the future they decide it is illegal. They could go back to my private conversation and use that against me. I don’t think we would ever loose our right to free speech, but you never know.
 
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Or it's just a shakedown by some politicos who want their next campaign for re-election funded by corporate sponsorship. Or investment or buy out of some company their wife/son/daughter is a director/shareholder in.
 
Cars are often used by bank robbers as getaway vehicle... they should have a backdoor too.. but i guess most of it already has 2 backdoors and 1 trunk door.
At least we could require all cars to be manufactured and equipped with government trackers. ;-)
 
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Government is lazy because they want easy access to our personal lives. You put a back door in and they will start collecting data on every single citizen. They don't have a good track record.
 
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They need to stop using the term "back door". Instead, a copy of the private key is stored on Apple servers along with the iCloud data. Back door would indicate there's a master password that anyone can use. There's a court order that's' provided to Apple (or other provider) for the private key, simple.

Oh dear. That’s one more attack vector to make your data less secure.

See what happens when you try this kind of thing.
 
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"You're going to find a way to do this or we're going to go do it for you," said Senator Lindsey Graham. "We're not going to live in a world where a bunch of child abusers have a safe haven to practice their craft. Period. End of discussion."

In their public pitch senators are all about terrorists and child abusers when in reality they mean ordinary law respecting citizen. In all honesty the bad actors will always find a way to encrypt their data. Look at email for example. Senators don’t care about encrypted emails since only very few people do it and therefore mass surveillance can be carried out with eases. intelligence agencies hate services which encrypt the data for all the regular people since that puts a stopper on relative low cost mass surveillance.
 
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While it was more of a scare/political tactic, with messages being encrypted, I would assume people can discuss with other people you can go to XYZ at 8pm to facilitate in some sordid and illegal meetups and/or trading evidence of said abuse in a way where evidence can't be eavesdropped on. Normally a wiretap can be done and eavesdropping can be done. The police will just need to do proper investigating and perhaps somehow go undercover like they do in real life. Somehow join these groups to collect evidence.

While Graham just threw out the worst possible case and I am sure there are some that do in fact use encrypted services to hide from the law, and I get it, protecting children is paramount in society, but when it comes down to it, eroding everyone's freedoms, including criminals right to privacy, would lead to a society that is far worse.

Ensuring that our children get to grow up in a world where their privacy will be protected, and they'll still have liberties like freedom of expression without the chilling effects of government surveilance, is of paramount importance. In our increasingly networked world, encryption is the only thing that can provide them with that safety.

Think of the children! Defend encryption.
 
F**k these senators. They are using excuses to find a way to increase government surveillance on innocent Americans. It makes no sense to invade the privacy of hundreds of millions of Americans just to maybe catch a small percentage of Americans that are criminals. Ever since 9/11, the US government has been using safety as an excuse to invade the privacy of Americans.
They don't want to spy. They want to catch bad guys the same as anyone else. They're just ignorant and are only thinking short term. Anyone that understands encryption knows that any backdoor will open up everyone to problems much worse than child abusers.
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I find it very comforting that the physical and mathematical laws of the universe actually are capable of constraining government power. Governments everywhere now are running into math and physics and finding that their power is not unlimited.
It's no different than our own minds. As much as they might want to, government cannot read and control our thoughts and minds. That's why they are trying to take control of our cell phones. They're the closest things to our own minds testifying against us.
 
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I am one of those people who are of the opinion that due to the fact there are many people in this would who wish to do others serious harm, they should not be able to hide behind unbreakable encryption BUT i am also fully aware of the problem of providing back doors into devices for the sole purpose of law enforcement use because humans cannot be trusted.

Many of today's encryption and security systems are defeated because there is always one person directly involved in the creation of security who is willing to pass on security codes and backdoors to 3rd parties or criminals because that person is either a disgruntled employee, they have been bribed, blackmailed or threaten with harm.

If the US government was to bring in legislation/regulation which forced companies that included encryption in their devices to produce backdoors into the device for the purpose of access by law enforcement agencies, someone who works for the company either directly or indirectly will give criminals access to that information. It's human nature to behave in such a manor
 
F**k these senators. They are using excuses to find a way to increase government surveillance on innocent Americans. It makes no sense to invade the privacy of hundreds of millions of Americans just to maybe catch a small percentage of Americans that are criminals. Ever since 9/11, the US government has been using safety as an excuse to invade the privacy of Americans.

Not just in the US, but is has implications and flow on to the rest of the world.
 
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