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U.S. Senators Threaten Apple and Facebook With Encryption Regulation

mrxak said:
No backdoors in encryption. Period. End of discussion.
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When push comes to shove. laws win...as well..

Apple didn't corporate with giving access to San Bernardino's phone either:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/21/fbi-apple-iphone-hack-san-bernardino-price-paid

If it was still 'on the cards' why has it gone silent ? If there is on thing the FBI like doing, is "re-visiting s stuff" ..

If you want stuff bad enough, you never just "give up"

This will be no different with Apple and Facebook.
 
mrxak said:
What a pathetically naive response. You think this is about "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." Wrong. This is about free citizens choosing not to share things they don't wish to share with the government, because they're none of the government's business, and the government does not have a right to know everything about you. Feel free to send all your private conversations to the FBI or NSA or DHS if you want to, but don't make the rest of us do so just because you're such an exhibitionist.

I would think that the Snowden leaks would have settled the issue once and for all that government employees (or government contractors) are often corrupt and have plenty of free time to look into everyone's dirty secrets that are outside the scope of their jobs. They violated, and no doubt continue to violate, the privacy of regular individuals just for the voyeuristic pleasure in it, even against government controls or policies. The fact that Snowden himself was able to steal so many top secret government files he wasn't supposed to have access to demonstrates just how poor the government's internal security is.

But if that's not concerning enough to you, I should think the repeated hacks of government servers would concern you, and big tech companies have also been repeatedly hacked. If the key exists somewhere, somebody malicious can and will get it eventually. Then it doesn't matter if you've done nothing the government cares about, what matters is what criminals care about, or what major corporations care about, or what your future potential employers care about. If you've ever had a conversation you wouldn't want your boss, or your mom, or your girlfriend to hear, then it should concern you if the potential exists for a hacker to steal all your data and all your conversations and then post it online for the entire world to see in a nice easily-searched database.

Even if your data does not leak out to the wider world, governments will still collect as much data as they can about you and everyone you know, and they will inevitably use data-mining and eventually artificial intelligence to try to look for patterns among the general population, not merely target individuals already on their radar. Inevitably they will make mistakes, through incompetence or through honest misunderstanding, and innocent people will be hurt. Just look at the TSA's no-fly list, and all the people who have accidentally ended up on the list, even federal politicians! Do you want your own innocent actions viewed as a suspicious pattern, because somebody made a mistake writing an algorithm, or because of some misinterpretation of innocent facts about you? If the government never had any of your data to begin with, because they had no preexisting reason to look at you more closely, you can't be a victim of this sort of problem. If the government is collecting data on everyone, which is exactly what they'll do if they can possibly do it, the odds of you getting denied the ability to travel, or denied the exercising your other rights, or getting arrested on false charges, or getting your offline privacy intruded in follow-up investigations started for no good reason go up dramatically.

And finally, it's a simple reality that all governments tend to become more corrupt and oppressive over time. Even if you can trust the government today to know everything about you, doesn't mean you can trust the government that will still have access to that information in twenty years, or fifty, or a hundred and fifty. Maybe nothing will go bad for you, but what about your grandchildren? Your great-grandchildren? Do you want them to suffer because you thought you could trust government today? Most generations pretty much everywhere on Earth have witnessed major government upheaval, or some kind of civil war, or personally know somebody in their family who did witness it before they were born. It's impossible to know the future, but just looking at history we know we're probably due for some serious problems even here in the United States in most of our lifetimes. Another civil war, another revolution, who knows who will end up in power when the dust settles, and what they will do with the power we give governments today. In the last 244 years, the United States has known two major conflicts in the revolution/civil war vein. There was also that time we got invaded and our capital was burned to the ground. There was the major social upheaval of the 60s and 70s. There was the Great Depression and we had basically a fascist dictator in FDR who only left office because he died. These sorts of things happen with more frequency than most people seem to think. It's downright foolish to put your trust in any government. You might think it's the "good times" right now, but if the government takes every scrap of data they can get of you and everyone else in some big NSA server farm today, they're going to still have it when the bad times inevitably come around.

Thinking it's the government's job to protect you is not only cowardly but foolish. It's your own job to protect yourself, protect your children, and so on. The government can't even protect itself. We're talking about the same government that invited foreign terrorists to come to its own military base for training, and then had to get a couple local sheriff's deputies to stop the terrorist attack because nobody on a US military base has a gun, apparently.
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Sounds like there is a A LOT riding on the tech companies doing absolutely everything they can to assist law enforcement so that none of this happens.
 
Reminds me of the famous quote by Ben Franklin. Hopefully those that understand and believe there is an issue an stake will vote as needed and send a message.
 
Looks like this administration is bent over on getting rid of end to end encryption. In other words they want to make end to end encryption illegal or such Bills would not be in process of being drafted up. We have some Xi fans around here

gizmodo.com

Lindsey Graham Is Quietly Preparing a Mess of a Bill Trying to Destroy End-to-End Encryption

Top Trump ally and consistent encryption scaremonger Senator Lindsey Graham is working on a bill that could coerce tech companies to stop providing
gizmodo.com gizmodo.com
 
Hello China. The US now pretty much wants to run like China, Saudi Arabia, Cambodia, and all the other either dictatorship or communist run countries. If you care about your privacy and no backdoors you should vote no on this and makes sure your local leaders are not voting for this

www.pcmag.com

Messaging App Signal Threatens to Dump US Market if Anti-Encryption Bill Passes

Signal is calling on its users to oppose the EARN IT Act, which it fears will be used to undermine end-to-end encryption, forcing it to leave the US market.
www.pcmag.com www.pcmag.com
 
stylinexpat said:
Apple needs to stand up to being bullied. This what countries like China demand from companies. No backdoors

www.nbcnews.com

Opinion | Bill Barr will risk your phone being hacked to read one dead terrorist's iPhone

Law enforcement thinks tech companies should build "backdoors" into every person's phone and communications apps, and then hope no hacker ever finds them.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Apple always stands up (to DC politicians) against Government trying to force backdoors and encroaching of the privacy of Apple consumers. Apple (under Tim Cook) has been pretty consistent with their message. The PROBLEM is that the American voters and American public fails to back up Apple.

There are hundreds of millions of Apple customers worldwide. But you cannot even convince 5,000 of them to write their local Senators and Reps (like that horrid Lindsay Graham) to back off on these issues. In the end, those Senators and House Reps only change their ways when they understand their consitituents are upset with them and will threaten their re-election bids.

Apple cannot do anything to threaten their re-election bids. NOTHING. Only the voters can threaten these politicians like Lindsay Graham.

This is why these nasty politicians will get their way. Because us voters let them get away with it.
 
Solomani said:
Apple always stands up (to DC politicians) against Government trying to force backdoors and encroaching of the privacy of Apple consumers. Apple (under Tim Cook) has been pretty consistent with their message. The PROBLEM is that the American voters and American public fails to back up Apple.

There are hundreds of millions of Apple customers worldwide. But you cannot even convince 5,000 of them to write their local Senators and Reps (like that horrid Lindsay Graham) to back off on these issues. In the end, those Senators and House Reps only change their ways when they understand their consitituents are upset with them and will threaten their re-election bids.

Apple cannot do anything to threaten their re-election bids. NOTHING. Only the voters can threaten these politicians like Lindsay Graham.

This is why these nasty politicians will get their way. Because us voters let them get away with it.
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I think so, Americans have actually been a bit lazy to go out and fight or speak out for this. Normally they are quite outspoken but I don't see them saying much now actually. Really surprised on this. Apple and a few others are left alone on this now
 
tridley68 said:
Apple should grow a pair and tell China to take a long walk off a short pier
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Not easy to fight a communist country when in reality our encryption laws want to be like theirs. We complain about them yet we have new laws being proposed and passed that are similar to theirs. If this passes everyone may want to pass on future smartphone and computer updates
 
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