U.S. Supreme Court to Review Whether Lawsuit Accusing Apple of App Store Monopoly Should Proceed

[Feenician]

There is no iOS app store market because Apple has leveraged their position to prevent alternatives.

The alternative is the Google Play Store, or indeed a number of other stores, all available on Android. Apple are under no obligation, legal or moral, to allow another App Store on iOS. You may want one, you may argue for one, but none of that changes the fact there is no legal requirement to have or allow one. Period.
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Apple doesn’t own the IP for non-Apple apps. The person who developed the app owns the IP.

The IP I'm referring to is iOS. But you surely knew that.

 

[69650]

Apple are free to do so. There are non-iOS options and therefore Apple cannot leverage a monopoly. Again, you are making the argument that Microsoft ever were or could have been in trouble for having a monopoly on Windows. It is, quite obviously, nonsense.

You don’t understand the issue. Microsoft never dictated that you could only buy Windows apps from Microsoft. You could buy apps from anywhere. That is the difference. Apple control 100% the supply, content and distribution of iOS apps. That is a monopoly by any definition.

 

[pl1984]

That would have been treated as leveraging a monopoly. Since they had a monopoly. Apple do not have a monopoly.

Isn't that a fact for the courts to determine?

 

[ersan191]

This isn't even accurate. You can sideload the app. All you need is a free Apple developer account, and then you can download packages and sign them yourself and load them on to the iOS device using XCode.

Yes, it's difficult, and you need a Mac (but you can get one used for like 20 dollars which will do just fine). This is a good thing. You should know what you're doing before you install random stuff from the internet.

You have to re-sign the app every 7 days if you are using a free account.

 

[Feenician]

You don’t understand the issue. Microsoft never dictated that you could only buy Windows apps from Microsoft. You could buy apps from anywhere. That is the difference. Apple control 100% the supply, content and distribution of iOS apps. That is a monopoly by any definition.

Firstly, please don't dictate to me what I understand. Second, I disagree. Since neither of us are lawyers or Supreme Court judges, and neither of us are likely to change our opinion apropos of the nothingburger of credible information in this thread, I guess we will just have to wait on the ruling.
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Isn't that a fact for the courts to determine?

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See above
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Can I use the Google Play Store on an iOS device? Can I use "any number of other stores" on an iOS device?

You may want to read my first sentence again. I never suggested you could.

 

[pl1984]

The alternative is the Google Play Store, or indeed a number of other stores, all available on Android. Apple are under no obligation, legal or moral, to allow another App Store on iOS. You may want one, you may argue for one, but none of that changes the fact there is no legal requirement to have or allow one. Period.

Can I use the Google Play Store on an iOS device? Can I use "any number of other stores" on an iOS device? No, then they're not options. Apple is leveraging their position in one market to prevent the development of another.

 

[pl1984]

You may want to read my first sentence again. I never suggested you could.

See above? What am I supposed to see above?
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You may want to read my first sentence again. I never suggested you could.

Then why did you recommend them when the issue at hand is for iOS devices?

 

[69650]

The alternative is the Google Play Store, or indeed a number of other stores, all available on Android. Apple are under no obligation, legal or moral, to allow another App Store on iOS. You may want one, you may argue for one, but none of that changes the fact there is no legal requirement to have or allow one. Period.
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The IP I'm referring to is iOS. But you surely knew that.

The Google Play Store is not an alternative to the iOS AppStore because you can’t buy iOS Apps.

If I buy a Ford car, Ford are not allowed to mandate that I can only buy parts from Ford. I can buy parts from anywhere. The same principle applies here.

Yes I could buy a different brand of car but that would miss the point entirely. Once you’ve bought a Ford car they can’t control what you do with it.

 

[oldhifi]

A monopoly? what about ESPN, Nike, Drug companies and many others

 

[IG88]

This is complete nonsense. Their device, their rules. The fact Apple allows third parties to sell is a privilege, not a right.

So Microsoft was completely in the right to screw over Netscape then.

 

[Feenician]

See above? What am I supposed to see above?

The text above the part where I said "see above".

Then why did you recommend them when the issue at hand is for iOS devices?

Show me where I "recommended" anything. You tried to argue against a point I had explicitly not made (the play store being available on iOS) That won't fly.

If I buy a Ford car, Ford are not allowed to mandate that I can only buy parts from Ford. I can buy parts from anywhere. The same principle applies here.

They can and will void your warranty if that part causes a failure. Not that this or any other car analogy has ever been relevant or useful in any way.

I'll leave you both to your anti-Apple frothing at this point.

 

[pl1984]

The text above the part where I said "see above".

What, specifically, am I supposed to see above?

To head this off: There are those who are arguing Apple is a monopoly and those who are arguing they're not. How does this get resolved?

Show me where I "recommended" anything. You tried to argue against a point I had explicitly not made (the play store being available on iOS) That won't fly.

You said:

The alternative is the Google Play Store, or indeed a number of other stores...​

Note the emphasis on the word "alternative". None of those are alternatives to the Apple App Store.

They can and will void your warranty if that part causes a failure. Not that this or any other car analogy has ever been relevant or useful in any way.

Completely different discussion.

 

[macfacts]

No, but those people rather ruin iOS for everyone else because if they can't have what they want nobody else can!

If the government forces Apple to allow other app stores, how does that ruin your iPhone/ios? You can still choose to only use Apple's app store.

 

[I7guy]

So if I understand this, SOTUS will rule whether a suit can proceed. If the answer is no, this is the end of it. If the answer is yes, this will go to trial and then take at least 10 more years* or more to come to a conclusion.

* - my estimate.

 

[pl1984]

So if I understand this, SOTUS will rule whether a suit can proceed. If the answer is no, this is the end of it. If the answer is yes, this will go to trial and then take at least 10 more years* or more to come to a conclusion.

* - my estimate.

A SCOTUS ruling against the plaintiffs merely means the plaintiffs have to refile their case against Apple removing the issues raised by the lower court. It does not mean they've determined whether Apple is or is not a monopoly wrt the App Store.

 

[IG88]

Monopoly:

Not a monopoly:

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1: you can download apps outside of the store
2: they should be able to dictate what software runs on their device, you can go to android if you want something else

Yeah! Microsoft was totally in the right to break it off in Netscape's rear! People should have bought Macs if they didn't like it!
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Somehow? There's a lot of backstory you aren't unpacking there, you may want to look into it. Not to mention marketshare, Apple is in no position to be a monopoly with only 11% of the world's devices using its platforms.

 

[cmaier]

You don’t understand the issue. Microsoft never dictated that you could only buy Windows apps from Microsoft. You could buy apps from anywhere. That is the difference. Apple control 100% the supply, content and distribution of iOS apps. That is a monopoly by any definition.

Microsoft did indeed dictate that. On Xbox.
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If the government forces Apple to allow other app stores, how does that ruin your iPhone/ios? You can still choose to only use Apple's app store.

It means iOS must be modified to run apps signed by third parties, reducing security.

 

[pl1984]

It means iOS must be modified to run apps signed by third parties, reducing security.

Not at all. iOS can refuse to run any application which is not signed by Apple if the user has elected to use only the Apple App Store just like they do with the Macintosh.

 

[cube]

Microsoft did indeed dictate that. On Xbox.

You can buy discs.

 

[iLLUMI]

Jailbreaking your iOS device gives you the freedom to install non App Store apps.
I guess you could say that Apple has a monopoly on their own App store but not on the app market overall.

 

[cube]

Jailbreaking your iOS device gives you the freedom to install non App Store apps.

That is a BS solution.

 

[pl1984]

Jailbreaking your iOS device gives you the freedom to install non App Store apps.
I guess you could say that Apple has a monopoly on their own App store but not on the app market overall.

This issue isn't about their App Store. The issue is they do not allow any other app stores (or other means to install apps on the device)

 

[Michael Goff]

It kills brain cells every time people compare what a company with 95% market share did to something a company with less than 50% is doing. And no, profit share is irrelevant when it comes to whether or not you're leveraging monopoly power or even have it.

 

[macfacts]

Microsoft did indeed dictate that. On Xbox.
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It means iOS must be modified to run apps signed by third parties, reducing security.

1. You can get Xbox games from MS, best buy, ebgames. MS does not have a monopoly on stores that sell Xbox games. Apple has a monopoly on stores that sell iOS apps.

2. If you don't check the box to allow side loading, your security is unaffected.

 

[cube]

Not for everything

Well, not all Android apps are available on the Amazon appstore which is also wrong.