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This is so stupid. iOS is not a monopoly. No one had to use an iOS device....

This isn't about iOS or iphone being a monopoly. This is about iOS users being forced to use Apple's iOS app store (a monopoly on stores that sell iOS apps).

Compare that with Android, Amazon set up their own android app store. You can buy from Google or Amazon.

Compare that with Ps4, Best buy is an alternative store to buy ps4 games.
 
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It kills brain cells every time people compare what a company with 95% market share did to something a company with less than 50% is doing. And no, profit share is irrelevant when it comes to whether or not you're leveraging monopoly power or even have it.
As long as there are alternatives whether a company has 95% marker share or 50% market share is irrelevant.
 
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This isn't about iOS or iphone being a monopoly. This is about iOS users being forced to use Apple's iOS app store (a monopoly on stores that sell iOS apps).

Compare that with Android, Amazon set up their own android app store. You can buy from Google or Amazon.

Compare that with Ps4, Best buy is an alternative store to buy ps4 games.

That's a ridiculous argument. It's such a narrow field, you may as well sue McDonald's for having a monopoly on the Big Mac and space inside McDonald's restaurants.

As long as there are alternatives whether a company has 95% marker share or 50% market share is irrelevant.

That's not how abusing monopoly power works legally.
 
I agree. People shouldn't be allowed to choose where they do and do not sell their products. /s
That's fine for niche apps, but not for essential ones.

Also, if your app is free but have a problem with amazon, you can put it in Aptoide or provide the .apk on your website.
 
That's fine for niche apps, but not for essential ones.

Also, if your app is free but have a problem with amazon, you can put it in Aptoide or provide the .apk on your website.

I'm glad you're not in charge of anything. From everything I've read, I assume you must really like what Valve recently said about Steam.
 
I'm glad you're not in charge of anything. From everything I've read, I assume you must really like what Valve recently said about Steam.
Well, Google Play is also anticompetitive. What did Valve say?
 
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Well, Google Play is also anticompetitive. What did Valve say?

Valve will let anything on their store as long as it isn't trolling or illegal. No curating. And that makes me wonder what they denied giving how bad their store has been for years.

Edit: Also, you love the word Anticompetitive.
 
This can't be compared to the Microsoft case because Microsoft controlled 95% of the desktop market. There's very healthy competition between iOS and Android.
More on point Microsoft sold something to 95% of the OTHER COMPANIES. And then erected contractual mechanisms to prevent them from selling a different OS on the products they made. Google get in trouble because Android forces all the ads to go to Googles servers unless you cut it out... OEMS aren’t allowed to SELL it that way. Again the key is that each company is selling PART of a product then demanding how the product seller is SELLING their product.
 
Valve will let anything on their store as long as it isn't trolling or illegal. No curating. And that makes me wonder what they denied giving how bad their store has been for years.
Well, censorship is bad. I hope they will check for malware. They can always remove and refund scammy games when many people complain, they are not that many.
 
Well, censorship is bad. I hope they will check for malware. They can always remove and refund scammy games when many people complain, they are not that many.

I think I've got a good feel for you. And it's that you don't know what Anticompetitive or Censorship actually means.
 
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Do you think Apple is more likely to allow third-party app stores than to not allow any?

I'd kind of like the court to rule against Apple and allow third-party appstore to be allowed to stop Apple from bringing this Appstore monopoly from coming to the Mac. I want to be able to run apps from the Internet.

Yeah, no thanks, and good luck with the third party app stores screening for Trojan horses, etc., plus this will open up a pirated app stores, which is terrible considering how cheap apps are already.
 
What if, in the 1990s, Microsoft had started shaking down app developers, demanding a 30% cut, and blocking their apps if they refused to pay up?

Are you going to tell me with a straight face that the DOJ would have turned a blind eye to that?
To be honest, Microsoft had a market share monopoly and no serious competition and thus was a totally different situation. They were also bundling software within that monopoly share, giving people no real choice.

Apple doesn’t even have 50% market share in the US and it’s under 15% worldwide. They are simply vertically integrating their products which actually has the benefit of not having so many trash apps, like Android. You don’t like a closed system, you can buy many good Android phones. Disney, for example, vertically integrates from the movie theater, to the tv, to the parks, to the merchandise. Every company does this or at least tries and charges whatever. Capitalism.

I hate Google Play because it’s the Wild West.
 
How’s is this different than walking in to Aldi and only being able to purchase their “exclusive” brands? Apple clearly labels the AppStore and Aldi doesn’t allow you to compare brands. Don’t like it, don’t shop there.
 
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Well, Gillette and other razor companies did try to prevent third parties from selling razor blade replacements that are compatible with their razors, much like printer manufacturers have tried to prevent third party companies from selling compatible cartridges. In both cases, they have lost in court, as the courts have ruled it was a monopoly, I have a gut feeling that this would be the same thing.

I think the term we're really looking for, instead of "monopoly" is closer to "restraint of trade" or "anti-competitive practices."
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That would have been treated as leveraging a monopoly. Since they had a monopoly. Apple do not have a monopoly.

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Restraint of trade and anti-competitive practices are illegal by federal statutes and are not predicated on having a monopoly market share.
 
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1. You can get Xbox games from MS, best buy, ebgames. MS does not have a monopoly on stores that sell Xbox games. Apple has a monopoly on stores that sell iOS apps.

2. If you don't check the box to allow side loading, your security is unaffected.

But forever, for game consoles, to sell games on the console you had to go through the console maker. Yes, you can buy the cartridge or disc from any store, but to be allowed to make the cartridge or disc you have to,get approval from the console maker and pay them a license fee. You could not sit in your garage, create a game, and sell it without Microsoft’s permission.
 
Prove it. You didn't have to buy an Apple product.

This kind of nonsense is a waste of time because people have choices. Once you're an Apple customer, they can do whatever they want and if you don't like it, leave. No Monopoly. It's Apple's prerogative if they want to be as vertically integrated as possible.
I don't think you understand what a vertical monopoly is
 
But forever, for game consoles, to sell games on the console you had to go through the console maker. Yes, you can buy the cartridge or disc from any store, but to be allowed to make the cartridge or disc you have to,get approval from the console maker and pay them a license fee. You could not sit in your garage, create a game, and sell it without Microsoft’s permission.

This lawsuit isn't about devs having to pay Apple a dev/license fee. It is about the monopoly Apple has on stores that sells iOS apps and the anticompetitive behavior they engage in to keep that monopoly (like terminating any dev account that sells their app to jailbroken users to side step the 30% cut)
 
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