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U.S. Tablet Sales Led by iPad in 2013 as Chromebooks Overtake MacBooks
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Maybe you should look into proving your bogus claim.
You're asking him to "prove" an opinion? Whereas he's asking you or others to prove something stated as fact.
Surely you understand the difference on how one is possible and the other not?
True enough and valid point.
I was perhaps biased when reading your statement from the black and white opinions of others and wanted to offer up that "formal" education isn't the only education out there.
I understand what you're saying. What I don't understand is consumers who brag about how much profit a company makes when they have no vested interest in said company, defend said companies at all costs and then call other companies thieves for charging too much for their services. I know as a consumer I would much rather pay $399 for a 32GB iPad Air and the heck with Apple's profits. But that's just me.
LMAO, so many Google apologists here.
How does anything in this thread amount to someone being a google apologist?
Other than the Pixel - which is not being discussed - Google doesn't make chromebooks.
No I agree, hell, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, and Larry Ellison, Michael Dell, Mark Zuckerberg were all College drop outs
No I agree, hell, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, and Larry Ellison, Michael Dell, Mark Zuckerberg were all College drop outs
Imagine where they would have been with a degree!
I would guess it's something akin to sports teams. People want their team to win even though it does nothing for them as a person.
I know, as a consumer, I'd rather Apple just gave me everything for free but saying "to heck with our profits" is probably not a long-term sustainable business model.
You can look at it from the other direction... companies who don't make enough money.
I bet the folks at Palm wish they had made better phones... so more people would have bought them... so they would have made more MONEY... so they wouldn't have had to put themselves up for auction and be "rescued" by HP.
I agree it's silly to trumpet a company's profits... but it's worse when you have to mourn the loss of a company because they didn't make enough profit. Like the song says... money really does make the world go around.
BTW... Apple's quarterly profit margin hit a high of 30% sometime in 2012... but now it's sitting at 20%
Is that still too high?
I think the spirit of his and other members opinions on the matter are accurate. We can split hairs about profit margins and how high is high - but at the end of the day - it's about a mentality that some have.
Just because you (not you specifically) love Company X or their products doesn't mean other company's or their products are evil or have no business being in the marketplace or are inferior in every way. One use case does not equate to all use cases. And so on. Again - it's the spirit of such assertions that people are responding to.
What you're missing is the reason why people celebrate Apple is mostly due to the legacy customers that have been there when Apple was nothing, which is it doesn't sound like you are. I've been an Apple customer since the past 16 years so I was around when they were about to close up shop. To see a company (that has been belittled by Microsoft's clan of idiot customers and be belittled for their product (Mac) not having much software and never being taken seriously by anyone that matters) revive themselves from virtually nothing, come to market, innovate and move the tech industry forward gives me much pleasure to celebrate them. If you can't handle that then this isn't the place for you to hang out, plain and simple.
Did anyone think about the fact that not many retailers even carry MacBooks? The only large one is Best Buy. Micro Centre does but is a very small chain. So any conclusions made from this data is not reflective of anything close to real sales numbers of MacBooks. The firm that provides this data is trying to make a name for itself. Also the writer is using this data is just baiting for shock value.
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It's always such a joy seeing someone handle small personal victories with such grace and poise as you, Henry. I'd really love to see how you act over things that really matter.
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The NPD Group? I think they've long since made a name for themselves.
And that mentality will always be there.
Apple fans will brag about making the most profit... Samsung fans will brag about selling the most smartphones... and Android fans will brag about a zillion activations a day. The same thing happens on XBox and Playstation forums. Ford and Chevy forums too. In the end... none of it really matters. But people love to talk about that stuff.
Apple customers who praise apple profits are celebrating the fact that they were overcharged for their product.
You know - once again - you have no statistical proof of who is making these statements you speak of. YOU might be a legacy customer - but that doesn't make it a rule.
Also - you can celebrate the success of a company without belittling the competition or believing that the competition shouldn't exist.
Much like you can be successful in life or at a job without comparing yourself to someone else or trying to bring them "down."
Silly to see so much disgust for the Chromebook, personally I'm not going to pass judgement since I haven't had the opportunity to use it on a daily basis.
I think based on the sales It's clear that there certainly is a need for lower priced laptops, they are ultimately going to be far more useful then most tablets, because it lacks a dedicated keyboard.
When you consider the price point & form factor of a Chromebook, there is absolutely nothing like it in it's class, there are no thin, light, affordable & 6-7hrs battery life notebooks out there with SSD like performance at $229-269.
It's easy to put down the Chromebook for the vast majority of us computer obsessed users, but consider we aren't like everyone else, most people just want to surf the net, watch YouTube & use Facebook.
So I really don't think it warrants the criticism just because the device doesn't happen to suit your needs or mines, I know I certainly wouldn't use a Chromebook, but I know many people who would be happy with one.
I think based on the sales It's clear that there certainly is a need for lower priced laptops, they are ultimately going to be far more useful then most tablets, because it lacks a dedicated keyboard.
When you consider the price point & form factor of a Chromebook, there is absolutely nothing like it in it's class, there are no thin, light, affordable & 6-7hrs battery life notebooks out there with SSD like performance at $229-269.
It's easy to put down the Chromebook for the vast majority of us computer obsessed users, but consider we aren't like everyone else, most people just want to surf the net, watch YouTube & use Facebook.
So I really don't think it warrants the criticism just because the device doesn't happen to suit your needs or mines, I know I certainly wouldn't use a Chromebook, but I know many people who would be happy with one.
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When the iPad was introduced, people were speculating a much higher price. Jobs also lowered the original iPhone price to make it more mainstream.
The highest spec'ed MacPro is also cheaper than a self-built PC if you try to match the specs. Not all components can be found on the market at this point too:
http://techgage.com/article/apples-newest-mac-pro-costs-less-than-diy-pc-build-thanks-to-amd/
It all depends on the consumer segments you're talking about. Just like cars, there are higher end ones and entry level ones. You get what you pay for mostly.
Of course there are Windows note book in that price and performance range with 6-7 hours battery life (or longer if you add extended battery). Google for them.
You can also find discount coupons that lower the price further.
For enterprise use, these Windows notebook comes integrated with existing enterprise infrastructure. They also have tons of apps. There is a reason MS is still standing today despite lagging behind in mobile devices for so many years.
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I am certainly not mocking or disparaging the Chromebook. It seems to have a place.
As many have noted, it's great for the web, media consumption, e-mail and the cloud makes productivity possible.
It's so cheap it has to be appealing to have a few at home for the kids etc.
The bottom line is that Google and Apple "get it" far more than Microsoft. Windows isn't the only game in town and isn't particularly necessary for more and more people. Who didn't see that one day computing would be done in "the cloud". I think Jobs accurately nailed the notion that you don't need a desktop, and by extension the laptop as we have known it. As he pointed out, they are "trucks" for very heavy lifting.
People who sit in a front of a crappy Dell desktop running Windows at work all day don't necessarily want to do that on their leisure time. They want an appliance like the the iPad or the Chromebook, that's easy to use.
I have all I need with my iPad and iMac. If I wasn't running Logic X I could get by with a MacBook Air. I used to use to my Air for work but I don't need it anymore.
Google has something here and I can see it gaining some traction. It is still a bit of a niche market right now.
As many have noted, it's great for the web, media consumption, e-mail and the cloud makes productivity possible.
It's so cheap it has to be appealing to have a few at home for the kids etc.
The bottom line is that Google and Apple "get it" far more than Microsoft. Windows isn't the only game in town and isn't particularly necessary for more and more people. Who didn't see that one day computing would be done in "the cloud". I think Jobs accurately nailed the notion that you don't need a desktop, and by extension the laptop as we have known it. As he pointed out, they are "trucks" for very heavy lifting.
People who sit in a front of a crappy Dell desktop running Windows at work all day don't necessarily want to do that on their leisure time. They want an appliance like the the iPad or the Chromebook, that's easy to use.
I have all I need with my iPad and iMac. If I wasn't running Logic X I could get by with a MacBook Air. I used to use to my Air for work but I don't need it anymore.
Google has something here and I can see it gaining some traction. It is still a bit of a niche market right now.
If they wanted link bait, they should have mentioned that Windows tablets overtook Macbooks.
The cited numbers are for enterprise sales. NOT consumer sales.
Web traffic number for Chromebook is super low too.
Apple is to slow to respond to market pressure. Last week the story was about a $3000 computer that only professionals can afford. Apple has lost touch with what the common person does with computers. And even if you put the answer right in front of their faces Apple will stick with the same format; profits first everything else later.