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jettredmont said:
[edit:] Scratch that. Now I see the "iPod Store" link on the front page of the main store. But going to www.ipod.com and clicking "buy now" puts you in the normal Apple Store, not the "iPod store" ... To get to the iPod store you still have to trip all over Macs and such in the main Apple Store front page first.

I think it's a brilliant idea, Apple is obviously going to market the heck out of the iPod and offer its customers access to every iPod accesory ever made.

The same with the U2 iPod. I don't know if there has ever been a band-branded stereo/walkman but it's a great idea and a way to build even more hype for the iTMS, especially with their pre-releases available only on iTMS, for a few weeks at least.

I'm going to buy one of those socks by the way, the hard cases I have are good most of the time but sometimes it would be nice to have something more minimal and less iPod-like.
 
From Apples web-pages - iPod Photo - Music and More:

On Vacation

Hiking the backcountry? iPod Photo provides up to 8 hours of battery life between charges.



from main-page:
iPod Photo has you covered. Fully charged, it lets you enjoy up to 15 hours of continuous music; or up to 5 hours of continuous slideshows with music.



so which is it?
 
In Brief,

iPod Photo = Awesome. Truly innovative. The haters will have their say but this thing will win everyone over.

U2 iPod = Disappointing. I was looking forward to the black iPod because white gets dirty way to fast (my iBook and iPod have a nice gray sheen to them). The red is nonsense. Make it all black with white labels for the buttons and without the four band members' scrawl and logo on the rear.

Not cool = NO GAPLESS PLAYBACK! When the hell are they going to implement this! I've been waiting for the software update for my 2G iPod since I bought it! And don't bring up the file joiner nonsense. There are times when you want to listen to one of the songs without having to fast forward through the one you stapled to it.
 
That is a very good remark

Yvan256 said:
Am I the only one who sees this as a problem? (the "melds two or more songs into one, continuous gap-free track" part)

I don't want to see "Tracks 1, 2, 9, 10" in my library, and I want to still be able to skip to tracks 3 to 8...

I just sent a feedback to them, and an actual idea for a workaround that would work fine (if they can't directly "fix" it).

I do record from my CD's and most of them are mixed... I do feel your pain having gone through it... I whish Apple could add a "Marker feature" in ITunes just like in FCP or FCP Express... This way we could join songs and still skip.

Hey Apple: I want royalties on this Idea!!!

Michel
 
The iPod Photo screen has almost 141 dpi! Should be plenty sharp, as all other Apple LCDs (Cinema Displays, PowerBooks and 12" iBook) have about 100 dpi. Way to go, Apple!
 
Ok, I saw some people were asking about the software update thing. It's still not up, anyone know why? Seems odd :confused:

The photo ipods are cool, although completely useless to me, haha :) I don't really understand the U2 thing, it just seems weird. Good news to hear more iTMS stores :) Hang on Canada, it'll be there soon!!
 
wildmac said:
If you want to connect your camera, look at Archos or Delkin.

Archos or Delkin don't allow you to connect your digital camera directly either, which I believe is what Charko was inquiring about. They have CF slots where you can plug in your CF card from your camera to download, unless your camera uses some other type of card. For the Archos, you would need an extra adapter then.
 
OK, color me - unimpressed.

That black-red U2-Pod may well be the single ...groan... by far the ugliest product I have ever seen from Apple.

And I love U2! May even download the entire musical catalog that is being offered on iTunes. High hopes to buy a new iPod. But, ...

To my eyes, it is ... I give up ...



I fully realize my opinion is worth 10 cents. Ignore me.
 
I didn't read all of the posts. But does it strike anyone as odd that the iPod color has better battery life than the black and white? Does that mean that it is possible to significantly improve the 4G iPod battery life? Cause I would think that the color screen would use more power than a black and white.
 
headhighguy said:
I was following the rumors about this for a while. I like the concept of the U2 branded iPod. However, what i don't like is the iPod Photo. To me this device is going to be the biggest dissappointment apple came up with since the 20th anniversary mac!

If I had to lay money, I'd say the U2-iPod is more likely to be a "Cool ... but why?" product like the TAM ... but to each his own. Others apparently are much happier with black/red than I am.

Where is the customers need for this? Did anyone requested this? or wish for? I seriously want to see their marketing plan for this! The iPod is a music player, for god's sake and it should stay that way. Adding photos to it is not making it a better music player.

I strongly disagree. The color screen compares to the 4G iPod screen approximately as OS X compares to OS 9 in terms of "sex appeal", and that's a vital component of the iPod's popularity. Also, the additional information from the color screen (both in terms of color and in terms of resolution) is a Very Good Thing for the music player. Being able to see album art allows quick identification of the artist/album at a glance instead of squinting to read the text title.

As for the photos themselves ... well, obviously *you* didn't want that, but *I* certainly would pay the iPod photo premium ($100) to get it with my next iPod (which, unfortunately, is a ways in the future...) And I know that's one feature that would get my dad to buy an iPod, which is saying quite a bit.

Apple is crossing the line here and obviously trying to make it a "media" device which in my opinion is completely wrong. To make a media device on top of the iPod which is designed for listening to music, would have required a substantial redesign of the device. A bigger display would be essential, since it now becomes the "stage" for the product. Headphones were the stage for the music, where is the stage for the photos? A screen of the size thats initially designed for displaying song information and battery status?? That can't be true. Also, if you consider the stage would be a TV set, you do require me to bring an AV cable? The iPod being a compact portable device, there shouldn't be any additional cables to be brought in order to utilize the products features. Headphones itself is enough to carry, and at least those you typically "use" when you're on the way. The AV cable would just be extra load that has no purpose on the road.

Also dissappointed is the Photo synching approach. Why can't I sync photos with iPhoto and Music with iTunes. Now, you're telling me to import/export my photos from iPhoto into iTunes and then sync to the iPod? Doesn't make sense to me. It also doesn't make sense to most Apple users, especially iLife target audience.

Sigh. No. iTunes can see your iPhoto libraries, just like most OS X apps which want to hook into the iLife apps can see the other app's libraries. For instance, how iPhoto can see your iTunes library to accompany a slideshow. There's no "export/import". It's a matter of clicking on which (if not all) of the iPhoto albums you want to have available on your iPod.

Since iTunes has been the primary sync-point for the iPod, especially on Windows, it makes sense to not have to open up yet another application to do the synching (note that in Tiger the non-music/non-photo syncing of the iPod will be handled in the OS itself, not in iSync).

Well, I was surprised about the increased battery lifetime. It's basically the new extended battery they put in it, I would imagine. However, I'll plan on upgrading my 40Gig Ipod with that aftermarket battery and bump it up to 22 hours. The missing 7 hours are due to the color LCD that sucks extra energy. I don't need color on a music player... I don't know why you would. Well, in the new day and age, everything turns color, even without purpose, I know, and I would be willing to pay the price of a reduced battery life with it if it would give me more information, such as a higher resolution to have longer text and description,

Ummm .... well, it does. About 89% more pixels than in the 4G iPod models. Not sure if that translates to more text on the screen, as the font has also changed; we'll have to look at them side-by-side to judge that.

As for the appeal of color ... I talked about that above. Sex appeal. Additional information (you sound like a DOS lover circa 1989!). Photo viewing. All really good features.

maybe even a screensaver with iTunes like graphics floating around on the little screen to the beat of the music. Why did apple have to put photos in the game? I don't understand the purpose for it at all. Nobody is gonna pull up with an Ipod to grandma's birthday fiddles around 10 minutes to hook it up to the (possibly outdated) TV set, accidentally changes a bunch of channel presets, and pull out a presentation on-screen... I don't know... seems far fetched. It doesn't sound like the average ipod customer to me.

No, sounds like a digital camera user. Most weekends I'm in at least one round of "look at these pictures on my 1.5" back-of-the-camera screen". Other than the fact that changing most cameras to output to the TV is a feat of thumb gymnastics, the TV-out option would get more use around my family. As for the TV set not supporting an RCA jack connection ... come on! Practically every TV built in the last decade has an RCA jack connection on it, especially since DVD players became commonplace! And how do you f. up your channel presets by plugging in an RCA jack? Granted, tv's generally don't have the best interfaces for switching to the RCA inputs, but it's not anywhere near as difficult as you seem to believe it is!

In any case, obviously this isn't a product for you. Personally, I'll be dancing in the streets when I can get my hands on one of these puppies, and I strongly suspect my extended family will have at least three new iPod owners as a result of this. While it may not be useful for you, I think Apple's hit the market square on its head here.
 
Transflective LCD!

Anyone else notice the specs say transflective LCD?

That means you can view it in natural light without the backlight if you wish. It may not be as bright and nice (same as with any iPod), but it's NOT like a laptop LCD that goes black when the backlight goes off.

Re screen size and quality: it's 141 DPI. That's very sharp (especially if they use subpixel font smoothing?) but it's not AS sharp as the big photos if you save them from Apple's Gallery--those are "mock ups" meant to look good in print--just like Apple's hi-res PR images with OS X running on a Mac.

Here are some screen specs I calculated on all 3 iPods (notice the Photo has almost double the pixel area of the regular iPod--and almost 3x the Mini):

iPod Mini 1.67" (138x110 in 1.31x1.04"):
106 DPI
.015 megapixels

iPod 2" (160x128 in 1.56x1.25"):
102 DPI
.02 megapixels

iPod Photo 2" (220x176 in 1.56x1.25"):
141 DPI
.039 megapixels

And I see that the Photo model fits one more line of text than the regular iPod too.

For DPI comparison:
14" iBook: 91 DPI
20" Cinema Display or iMac: 99 DPI
17" iMac or PowerBook: 100 DPI
15.2" PowerBook: 101 DPI
30" Cinema Display: 102 DPI
12.1" iBook or PowerBook: 106 DPI

And here's an image I made showing the iPod Photo screen size in accurate pixel dimensions just for reference (NOT a literal screenshot of course). I used 16-point Myriad type (without subpixel LCD smoothing--that could look even sharper but I doubt the iPod has it). I kept the blue tinge to the title bar--I assume that's for real, maybe not. (I removed the surrounding edge shadow since that's not really part of the display.)

Imagine this shrunk to 2" with the same pixels--and less brightness than a computer screen probably. Looks pretty good to me! You really can see 25 photos enough to tell them apart.
 

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yippy said:
I didn't read all of the posts. But does it strike anyone as odd that the iPod color has better battery life than the black and white? Does that mean that it is possible to significantly improve the 4G iPod battery life? Cause I would think that the color screen would use more power than a black and white.
That extra 0.06inch thickness probably fits a bigger battery....
 
klaus said:
You guys need to cool down and think about it. Why do some countries come first, why others later?? One important reason, record labels and their policies, country policies, etc. If Apple could bring you a store in australia or denmark or poland, they WOULD, they are busy negotiating, trust me, but it isn't that simple you know.

So before you blame Apple, think a little bit further down the line.

I'm not bashing on anyone, I never do that, but please think before you speak..

Your very rational comments would be so much easier to swallow if it wasn't coming from someone in a country who was granted iTunes privleges today. :) I was just really looking forward to iTunes, but a 2004 launch looks like its gone now! the deal with U2 seemed like such a shoe in for Ireland!
 
linux ...

ok, i havent read all the posts (12 pages!) so this might have come up .. I assume that the only thing stopping the new color ipod playing video is software ... as with .ogg support (not 100% certain on this CPU might also have been a problem .. correct me if im wrong) ..
lots of people though that ipod-linux would be the way forward for .ogg... could this also be the case with video support for the ipod photo?
If it is just a software limit (again, i could be wrong) an ipod running linux and a stripped down mplayer would be a possibility for divx viewing...

flame me if im wrong :)

Rob

PS : still waiting for new PB :(
 
So....

Did the new QT or iTunes version block out the Harmony DRM? Sorry if anyone else has asked it...... just curious.


J
 
nagromme said:
Anyone else notice the specs say transflective LCD?
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Hadn't seen that. That undoubtedly helps the battery life as well.

For everyone complaining about the fact that they don't need to see pictures: fine, but as nagromme and others have pointed out, the better resolution and color allow for more information to be presented on screen - more songs at once, etc. To me, the price premium is easily worth it for screen real estate alone.

Think it sucks? Then buy my relatively new, unscratched, evo2 encased 4G 40GB off of me so I can get one of these new ones... you'll save some money, and I'll waste some more on a new toy.
 
Brian Hickman said:
Where is my 60GB non-photo iPod? I do not want to be forced to pay an extra hundred bucks for a feature that I do not want. I hope they introduce a 60GB non-photo iPod at the $500 price point after the initial sales of the 60GB photo-pod die down.

Hickman

havent read through the entire thread yet, so apologies if this has been covered....

the ipod photo appears to come with dock and carrying case, while the regular 4G models do not (rememer THAT debacle?). so the $100 price diff is not THAT outrageous.
 
Artist Alert

This feature is used to put you on an email list for each time that artist has a song added to the Music Store, you will recieve and email to let you know... Pretty nifty if you ask me.
 
I have quicktime Pro.. how can I upgrade before software update gets it? I can just find links for downloading the free player, not the pro-update..
 
Should 4G iPod owners with iTunes 4.6 upgrade to 4.7?

....and just to confirm, the iPod updater software 2004-10-20 is the same software that currently runs the 4G right??? so no need to run the updater
 
It strikes me that this could be more of a great day for people who are 30+ than for people who are 13-20. U2 Pod and iPod Photo are products that are more aimed at the "older group". My brother who is 42 said that all his friends asked if they could store and show photos on the harddisk MP3 players when he told them about such players. He said that they didn't really need the mp3 thing but it would be great to have a portable harddrive to store photos and show them on TV and they would gladly pay more for that feature. The photoPod fits that description precisely, so I guess that means there is at least some market for this. U2 fans are also more likely to fall into the 30+ than the 13-20 group, am I right?

Maybe the Canada launch will be an event for the younger crowd :D
 
GonzoRob said:
ok, i havent read all the posts (12 pages!) so this might have come up .. I assume that the only thing stopping the new color ipod playing video is software ... as with .ogg support (not 100% certain on this CPU might also have been a problem .. correct me if im wrong) ..
lots of people though that ipod-linux would be the way forward for .ogg... could this also be the case with video support for the ipod photo?
If it is just a software limit (again, i could be wrong) an ipod running linux and a stripped down mplayer would be a possibility for divx viewing...

flame me if im wrong :)

Rob

PS : still waiting for new PB :(

I think you'd need a much better DSP-processor.
 
sethypoo said:
Wow, I love the way the black iPod looks. It's so different than the usual white iPods.

Thoughts?

yes, that is correct ... it does look different .. white being the opposite to black

a very helpful observation ....


obviously it took a great deal of R&D on apples part to "wow" people with original thought............. it was probably all those coke parties the MD's go to with their chums in U2... :)
 
Poff said:
I have quicktime Pro.. how can I upgrade before software update gets it? I can just find links for downloading the free player, not the pro-update..
Just download and install the free 6.5.2 version. It'll retain your Pro registration. I just did that, and it works fine.
 
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