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With no standard as to how the rating is measured, it's largely meaningless. Is 3 average? If it is, then why are people put off by 4.7?
What a user hostile company!!
Uber will not be around much longer if they continue to treat drivers, engineers, women and employees how they have been treated in the past.
Uber is just hostile toward everyone-- users, employees, governments, the press, women...

Anybody want to open a poll on when the first big new story hits correlating user rating with race and gender?
Tip your driver, he is making next to nothing. Uber does everything to discourage tipping. Your fair is almost 1/3 of a taxi but you will not tip.
This is what I mean when I say that in a few years time the taxi industry will be dead and Uber will be worse than the taxis we used to have. This company gets rich on investors, but its operating budget is almost entirely borne by depreciation of their employees' assets.

Uber feels nice now because their drivers brought in new, comfortable cars. Once everyone's personal cars have been puked in as many times as the average taxi, it'll be no better. In the short term, those cars will get cycled out by bad driver ratings leaving the owner without income while they try to get their property back to the condition they started from, but eventually no-one with a car worth sitting in will sacrifice it to Uber and we'll have the same fleet of beaters we have on the city streets today.

Uber feels nice today because it's all paid through the app and there's no requirement to tip, but we're already seeing that if you don't tip you get marked-- the tip isn't a reward for good service, it's extorted at the risk of being stranded on a future Friday night. At least in a taxi, my decision to not tip a bad driver isn't used against me later.

@Abazigal made the (valid) point earlier that they like Uber because taxis refuse to pick up their friend's mother in a wheelchair. Abazigal may be more immune to this than most because they seem like an extraordinarily nice and even tempered person, but I wonder how long it will be before the added hassle of the wheelchair starts to show up in their user rating leading to the same outcome. Many places have (generally unenforceable) laws that require a taxi to pick up a passenger regardless of race or other attributes. Uber operates entirely outside of even those weak regulations, and when they're brought to bear I'm sure Uber will argue it's a contract driver problem, not a company problem.
 
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Drivers don't give a darn about the 5 star ratings. Uber has cut pay to the point that drivers are only making around .70 cents a mile. The IRS deduction for use of your vehicle for work is .54 cents. Are actual profit is .16-.20 cents a mile. Uber keeps cutting rates and increasing their commissions. Most drivers don't even make minimum wage. Start tipping your drivers. You can tip Uber drivers. Uber lost a lawsuit last year saying the tip was included but the drivers we not getting a penny. We are now allowed to put signs in are cars soliciting tips. I don't get it. Uber is less than half of a Taxi sometimes a 1/3rd and maybe 5-10 % of the users tip. Most drivers are out of this business in 4 months because the wear and tear on the car is too much and we can't even afford repairs at these rates. Uber is truly a disgusting company with many issues. I had been doing this as a side job in addition to my full time job as my wife was out of work. I'm done now, in 6 months I have had to put a lot of money in my car because of ubering.
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You are one of the problems with Uber. Tip your driver, he is making next to nothing. Uber does everything to discourage tipping. Your fair is almost 1/3 of a taxi but you will not tip. Cheapskate! Uber will not be around much longer if they continue to treat drivers, engineers, women and employees how they have been treated in the past. I don't get how this company can be valued at 69 billion when they can't turn a profit and dump all their money in to driverless cars which are still at least a decade away of being truly driverless. Now their dumping money into flying cars. Are these investors stupid? If I were an investor I would start demanding uber turn a profit or I would pull out.

Asking an honest question here, if pay is so bad, why do it? There is no obligation to be a driver, and if all the risk is on the driver (gas, maintenance, etc) it seems like a bad deal when you could work numerous other side jobs and make better money. There is no pressure on uber to change their ways if drivers keep signing up.

Also, Uber spends a paragraph defining their tipping policy on their site using word like "Tipping is Voluntary" and "you are not obligated to offer your driver a gratuity in cash". It's like they are going out of their way to discourage it, so it creates confusion. Saying something quick and to the point that "Drivers can accept tips, but passengers are not obligated to do so" eliminates all the fluff and confusion.
 
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Wait a second—I read the article and it didn't even cross my mind they were talking about actual passenger ratings. I re-read the article and wow, my brain really missed that because it seems so backwards. I have no need for Uber where I live, so I haven't used it. But you guys are telling me that Uber allows their employees to rate customers? Are you freaking kidding me? What a user hostile company!!

With the way this system works, a driver could sexually harass 1 out of every 5 passengers and still get a 4 star rating. I've heard horror stories from passengers who are trying to get to the airport and their driver got pulled over twice for speeding, causing them to miss the flight, and then proceeded to yell and argue with the customer when they arrived about giving them a big tip to make up for the speeding tickets. You're telling me those idiots can rate the passengers poorly for not tipping? This whole system is insane and I can't wait for Uber to collapse.

This is quite good... in a perfect world.

If we all rate each other as we actually think (meaning a poor driver gets a lower score) then over time this will (1) encourage people to be more socially aware of how they treat others, and (2) let both drivers and riders avoid bad experiences.

HOWEVER... if by default riders always give drivers 5-star ratings except in extreme cases while drivers rate riders based on things like tipping... this will give us an off balance and useless rating system.
 
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Wait a second—I read the article and it didn't even cross my mind they were talking about actual passenger ratings. I re-read the article and wow, my brain really missed that because it seems so backwards. I have no need for Uber where I live, so I haven't used it. But you guys are telling me that Uber allows their employees to rate customers? Are you freaking kidding me? What a user hostile company!!

With the way this system works, a driver could sexually harass 1 out of every 5 passengers and still get a 4 star rating. I've heard horror stories from passengers who are trying to get to the airport and their driver got pulled over twice for speeding, causing them to miss the flight, and then proceeded to yell and argue with the customer when they arrived about giving them a big tip to make up for the speeding tickets. You're telling me those idiots can rate the passengers poorly for not tipping? This whole system is insane and I can't wait for Uber to collapse.

I have serious a serious issue believing most everything in your response. Seem like someone is hostile and pretty sure it's not an Uber driver.
 
It doesn't, which is the main reason why I don't tip, since I rarely carry small bills. The Lyft app does though (and I prefer to use Lyft in areas where they have enough cars).
It's similar for me. I usually only use them for trips to/from the airport and things like that.

Ah okay. I remember trying to look for a tip feature a long time ago, and swore I couldn't find it. Good to know.
 
Drivers don't give a darn about the 5 star ratings. Uber has cut pay to the point that drivers are only making around .70 cents a mile. The IRS deduction for use of your vehicle for work is .54 cents. Are actual profit is .16-.20 cents a mile. Uber keeps cutting rates and increasing their commissions. Most drivers don't even make minimum wage. Start tipping your drivers. You can tip Uber drivers. Uber lost a lawsuit last year saying the tip was included but the drivers we not getting a penny. We are now allowed to put signs in are cars soliciting tips. I don't get it. Uber is less than half of a Taxi sometimes a 1/3rd and maybe 5-10 % of the users tip. Most drivers are out of this business in 4 months because the wear and tear on the car is too much and we can't even afford repairs at these rates. Uber is truly a disgusting company with many issues. I had been doing this as a side job in addition to my full time job as my wife was out of work. I'm done now, in 6 months I have had to put a lot of money in my car because of ubering.
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You are one of the problems with Uber. Tip your driver, he is making next to nothing. Uber does everything to discourage tipping. Your fair is almost 1/3 of a taxi but you will not tip. Cheapskate! Uber will not be around much longer if they continue to treat drivers, engineers, women and employees how they have been treated in the past. I don't get how this company can be valued at 69 billion when they can't turn a profit and dump all their money in to driverless cars which are still at least a decade away of being truly driverless. Now their dumping money into flying cars. Are these investors stupid? If I were an investor I would start demanding uber turn a profit or I would pull out.

Tipping should be an extra for good service. Not a compensation for uber not even paying minimum vage and benefits.
[doublepost=1493237042][/doublepost]Oh and what, a company can rate the customers??? What?? LOL.
 
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Tipping should be an extra for good service. Not a compensation for uber not even paying minimum vage and benefits.
[doublepost=1493237042][/doublepost]Oh and what, a company can rate the customers??? What?? LOL.

I don't mind uber allowing drivers to rate passengers... doesn't ebay do this in a way too, where the buyer and seller both get rated? However there does seem like there is room for improvement. Uber should at least define the rating scale so its not up for interpretation. That way you at least discourage, but not eliminate, the likelihood a customer gets a bad rating just because they didn't tip.
 
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Weird... I don't see an update available from the App Store; I show my last update being from 2 days ago, but I have no rating available and I've used Uber about 60 times over the last several months, so I'm fairly certain that there are ratings for me. :D
[doublepost=1493241332][/doublepost]Doesn't show for me in the iOS app, and I show to have the latest available app available from App Store. *shrug*.

I did log in from my computer and verified that I do have a rating, and it's 4.9 -- not bad. :). Just not visible from the iOS app at all.
 
You are one of the problems with Uber. Tip your driver, he is making next to nothing. Uber does everything to discourage tipping.
Easy solution: Drive for Lyft. They encourage tipping and have it integrated in their app. I won't go back to carrying bundles of dollar bills.
Uber will not be around much longer if they continue to treat drivers, engineers, women and employees how they have been treated in the past.
Good, maybe a better company can take their place. I doubt it though.
 
Wise up dude! Soon no one will pick you up because your rating is too low. I have also heard plenty of horror stories from passengers who aren't respectful to you or your car.

Seems like the stories about Uber are fairly accurate. Here we have a rude driver who didn't even read what I wrote about not needing to use Uber. So I'll say it again: There is no reason for me to ever use Uber. My rating is neither high nor low because I don't have an account. I drive myself around. Your company is full of misogynistic abusers who are repeatedly caught trying to cheat the system by skirting the law and stealing intellectual property from other companies. Your drivers are known widely for being unreasonable psychotic harassers. In short, Uber is the biggest cluster that I've ever seen. Their days are numbered. Best of all, they're actively working on self-driving cars to replace you—so your days are numbered as well. Does that make you feel…good? What a company!
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I have serious a serious issue believing most everything in your response. Seem like someone is hostile and pretty sure it's not an Uber driver.
Found the Uber driver—unless you are you kidding me? It's everywhere. All over the news. There's always some horror story or some driver doing something ridiculous or their leadership being horrible in every way imaginable. Go educate yourself.
 
So I'll say it again: There is no reason for me to ever use Uber. My rating is neither high nor low because I don't have an account.
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Found the Uber driver—unless you are you kidding me? It's everywhere. All over the news. There's always some horror story or some driver doing something ridiculous or their leadership being horrible in every way imaginable. Go educate yourself.
I have had nothing but good experiences with Uber drivers, and contrary to you I have actually used Uber. They are not to blame for their scummy executives.
 
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This is quite good... in a perfect world.

If we all rate each other as we actually think (meaning a poor driver gets a lower score) then over time this will (1) encourage people to be more socially aware of how they treat others, and (2) let both drivers and riders avoid bad experiences.

HOWEVER... if by default riders always give drivers 5-star ratings except in extreme cases while drivers rate riders based on things like tipping... this will give us an off balance and useless rating system.
I don't mind uber allowing drivers to rate passengers... doesn't ebay do this in a way too, where the buyer and seller both get rated? However there does seem like there is room for improvement. Uber should at least define the rating scale so its not up for interpretation. That way you at least discourage, but not eliminate, the likelihood a customer gets a bad rating just because they didn't tip.
The core problem here, I think, is that there's no standard to the rating-- it's a completely subjective number. It shouldn't matter if the driver likes the passenger or not. This isn't dating, it's a business transaction. The only thing the company should care about is did the rider show up, did they do any damage, did they harm the driver, did they pay their fare.

This social media world where being liked is a currency is absurd to me. If 3 is average, isn't it a bit creepy how many people there are rated so close to 5? Sure, some are likely very nice and considerate people but if the distribution of 4.5's to 3's is skewed as far as it appears to be then clearly something is wrong. Alternatively, if 5 is average, then how many standard deviations from an average Joe do you need to be to get a 1? If people here think they won't get a ride with a 4, then shouldn't getting rated 1 warrant a visit from law enforcement? If people are just rating each other "1" based on a bad experience, should that be a flag that person doing the rating has no ability to be objective?

The passenger ratings should be based almost entirely on measurable evidence-- how long did the driver wait for the passenger, was any damage done to the vehicle (attach images). I suspect that "she was cute" or "he was scary" has far more weight than just about anything else. I don't think the driver or passenger ratings should be visible to anyone but the company, who should have the power to ban or fire particularly problematic people in the interest of protecting their drivers or their business reputation.

Not that Uber seems to care much about that last bit...
 
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Since I refuse to enable location services for Uber I am immediately forced into a screen telling me to either enter my address or turn on services, that locks out everything else in the interface for me including this new feature. I wish they'd stop their tracking outside of rides so I could get full features back again.

I had no idea you can use it at all without location services! That makes it a lot more tolerable. The recently redesigned version is such a bloated downgrade. Glad there's at least competition between lyft and uber but definitely prefer left at this point.

[in retrospect, written in an uber without location services via swype keyboard]
 
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This is like that episode of Black Mirror. First episode of season 3 if anyone needs a good watch.

I have this friend who in every possible way is super delightful.
She found out her passenger rating was 4.95 and freaked out.
So that's something like 19 drivers gave her 5 and 1 gave her 4.

Yeah don't be a jerk in an Uber (or anywhere else if you can help it), but if both driver and passenger put on this weird "Please give me 5 stars" persona it all gets a little creepy.
 
I don't ride Uber very often (~20 rides in total) but my rating is only 4.75. I never gave less than 5 stars to any driver even though some of the rides are not entirely satisfactory.
I consider myself a very polite and nice person and I just really don't understand why any driver would rate my less than 5 stars.
 
Uber drivers need that to be able to tell problem passsengers. There are some that will get in and want to stop at 10 different stores and then back home, all within a few miles, takes an hour or more, and the driver would get less than 10 bucks. Or the ones that tell you to sit outside the mall for 30 minutes while they complete their shopping. A lot of drivers won't take someone who's less than about a 4.6, because sure enough there's always something about those ones who are lower, it will be a regret. It's not just not tipping.

And on the flip side, passengers need to know that Uber generally doesn't keep drivers around who average less than 4.6 for very long. They get a warning message if their average goes that low, and have to take a class if it doesn't improve, and then a month or so later if it still isn't better they are gone. Sometimes beginning drivers will be low for a bit, they have a grace period where they won't affect your average until you hit so many ratings, I think it's 50, and then if you get one or two low ratings it affects the average a lot until you get more, and they're more lenient with beginners. One wrong turn and a lot of passengers will give a driver a 1, and if they only have 50 ratings it automatically puts them too low, so try not to severely downvote the drivers unless it's something really serious.
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I don't ride Uber very often (~20 rides in total) but my rating is only 4.75. I never gave less than 5 stars to any driver even though some of the rides are not entirely satisfactory.
I consider myself a very polite and nice person and I just really don't understand why any driver would rate my less than 5 stars.

4.75 is a good rating, don't worry about that. It just means that maybe one driver rated you a 4 out of the ones who rated you. Another thing I tell people, don't be too concerned about needing a 4.9 or something. Unless you have hundreds of ratings, it's hard for it to be that high. I would be a lot more suspicious of a 5.0, because that means they are either brand new or they created a new account to get away from another account generally.
 
So, I decided to check my rating - 4.62.
I can't believe it's that low. I give every driver a 5 star rating, even when they don't deserve it.

Wow - this is what happens when we try to reduce everything to "metrics". When I was at school, a 9.24 / 10 would be a *great* mark. In the "new economy" - anything below 4.5 is pure fail.

Never used Uber (don't have it here), but it seems like a quick death-spiral into lowest common denominator economics
all part of the BS "sharing economy".

You are not "sharing", you are just selling your services for less than the next person.

As everyone is a freelancer, there is even weaker protection of the customers and the employees (oops I mean service providers) against discrimination and exploitation.

There are no doubt problems with the taxi system, but Uber is not the final answer - and no way that its valuation is anywhere near meaningful in a non-bubble world.

/an engineer
 
I read recently that Lyft makes the driver rate you BEFORE they know if you tipped or not (in the app), and Uber drivers can rate you before payment is confirmed, though of course, you can't use the Uber app to add tips so they know immediately anyway.
 
I have never used Uber and never will. Rating customers, what a joke. Uber has a bad reputation over here since the drivers are all shady scary people driving their own rusty rides and not having any idea about the traffic laws, first aid training or the city they are driving.

Ordering an official cab with an app is way safer and faster anyway so I don't get all the hype about Uber. Maybe in the states where its the other way around and the official cabs are dirty, but over here its the official cabs that are clean, safe, paying full taxes and paying their drivers what they should.
 
I have never used Uber and never will. Rating customers, what a joke. Uber has a bad reputation over here since the drivers are all shady scary people driving their own rusty rides and not having any idea about the traffic laws, first aid training or the city they are driving.
Perhaps you should try using it before passing judgment?
Ordering an official cab with an app is way safer and faster anyway so I don't get all the hype about Uber. Maybe in the states where its the other way around and the official cabs are dirty, but over here its the official cabs that are clean, safe, paying full taxes and paying their drivers what they should.
I would love to use licensed taxis, but they first need to get their act together.

- They need to figure out a way to offer their services through *one* app that works nationwide. I do not want to search for taxi companies and install a different taxi app for every city I visit.
- They need to support a modern payment system, e.g. via app or Apple/Android Pay. I don't want the hassle of cash or get my credit card information swiped.
- There must be some accountability for taxi drivers, e.g. using a similar rating system as Uber's or Lyft's. Here in the US, taxi drivers often show up late or not at all because they found a more lucrative ride. And they are often extremely unfriendly. They also often rip off people from out of town by taking "the scenic route". They do these things because they know it will not have consequences for them.
 
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I have never used Uber and never will. Rating customers, what a joke. Uber has a bad reputation over here since the drivers are all shady scary people driving their own rusty rides and not having any idea about the traffic laws, first aid training or the city they are driving.

Ordering an official cab with an app is way safer and faster anyway so I don't get all the hype about Uber. Maybe in the states where its the other way around and the official cabs are dirty, but over here its the official cabs that are clean, safe, paying full taxes and paying their drivers what they should.

I've lived in the Pittsburgh, PA suburbs my whole life (except for college), and the public transportation to/from and within the city is pretty mediocre. Finding a cab when you were downtown is/was next to impossible. Uber is a great alternative, and all of the drivers are very polite and have nice cars. I know everyone has their own views on this based on where they live, so this is just my perspective.
 
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