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Uh oh, Apple's Safari browser is trailing Froyo's performance

iceterminal said:
If its so cool, then why are you here on a iphone forum being a complete ass?

Just sayin'.
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Well as I own an iPhone still (as an iPod anyway) and a Macbook Pro and as of yesterday a new Mac Mini I figure I'm welcome to hang around on a Mac related forum. Sometimes at 28 though I feel like I'm one of the oldest in here. At least the forum mods have put a stop to the 4chan speak.

My point is unlike what Steve Jobs has you believing, you can have your cake and eat it too with flash player. Set it up to run on demand and it's like it's not even there. When I want it to run it runs really well, even considering my Droid phone is already ancient in cell phone years and running older hardware. Also, I've noticed no battery hits at all, and I have yet to see a single flash based advertisement.

Besides, if you don't know what you're missing as an iPhone user then you won't demand better from Apple. It's nice to know the competition because this isn't 2007 anymore where Apple was the only decent game in town.

Just saying.
 
I'll be honest, my nexus with froyo is insanely fast....theres just nothing fun to do with the speed. The apps are often hard to navigate, and they are rarely optimized for the display. I wish they had some decent games to show what the processor/os can do.
Apple is able to write code and design silicon that work together to provide a fast and enopjoyable experience. They were able to do this with the very first iPhone introduced in 2007, I have yet to see an android phone that can even scroll the icons smoothly when swiping screens. It's because they cant optimize the os for a single type of device....it will be very hard for google to ever compete with apple's overall user experience solely based on this.
 
lilo777 said:
That's Apple fans way of thinking. Regular people turn Flash off and then turn it on only when visiting Flash-based web sites (like watching TV shows on ABC) :)
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Seriously? There's a reason to want flash other than ads??:D

I've tried to get upset over the lack of flash for a while, but after a trip to some song lyric sites for a friend, I just couldn't miss it anymore. (maybe I'm a little biased after that)

Now if I just liked network TV...
 
Amnesia87 said:
You also have to realize that no one is going to uninstall flash any time they want to browse sites that don't use it.
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Or you can use that spiffy on-demand feature. It will only load flash in the website if you click on the little play button in the flash window. Great ain't it?

Doesn't use the plug-in unless you tell it to.
 
hefeglass said:
I'll be honest, my nexus with froyo is insanely fast....theres just nothing fun to do with the speed. The apps are often hard to navigate, and they are rarely optimized for the display. I wish they had some decent games to show what the processor/os can do.
Apple is able to write code and design silicon that work together to provide a fast and enopjoyable experience. They were able to do this with the very first iPhone introduced in 2007, I have yet to see an android phone that can even scroll the icons smoothly when swiping screens. It's because they cant optimize the os for a single type of device....it will be very hard for google to ever compete with apple's overall user experience solely based on this.
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You, of course, are repeating the same things Mac fans have been saying for decades. It did not help Macs because it was not true. It's not true for phones either. You want a good App for Android? Try Google navigation, Google Voice, SWYPE keyboard etc. Want to see how really powerful processors work on Android? Check how smooth Quake runs on Galaxy S.

"I have yet to see an android phone that can even scroll the icons smoothly when swiping screens." Here is your chance. Check this video comparison between Samsung Galaxy S and iPhone 4. You will see that Galaxy is just as smooth as iPhone. And this is with Android 2.1. When it gets Android 2.2 (which may take a few weeks) it'll be much faster and the browser on it will be much faster than iPhone 4. Remember, Nexus One is not the most powerful Android phone.
 
As a happy iPhone 4 owner/Apple fanboy I think some of you guys don't give the N1 w/froyo enough credit. Even in Anandtech's own tests, the Nexus One is a tad faster than the iPhone 4 in most cases, and even the iPad at times. However I'd gladly trade a marginal increase in performance for a dramatic increase in battery life(also in Anandtech's testing). I do hope that Apple can optimize the web experience on the iPhone. Not that i'm dissatisfied, but just to ease the grass is greener on the other side feeling. And I'll be honest, while I hate flash, I wouldn't mind having the option to be able to turn it on and off. Just can't do that with my iPhone.

I don't see why people need to get so defensive over this. Both phones are awesome and offer different advantages/user experiences that ultimately make us, the consumers, the real winners.
 
thetexan said:
Well as I own an iPhone still (as an iPod anyway) and a Macbook Pro and as of yesterday a new Mac Mini I figure I'm welcome to hang around on a Mac related forum. Sometimes at 28 though I feel like I'm one of the oldest in here. At least the forum mods have put a stop to the 4chan speak.

My point is unlike what Steve Jobs has you believing, you can have your cake and eat it too with flash player. Set it up to run on demand and it's like it's not even there. When I want it to run it runs really well, even considering my Droid phone is already ancient in cell phone years and running older hardware. Also, I've noticed no battery hits at all, and I have yet to see a single flash based advertisement.

Besides, if you don't know what you're missing as an iPhone user then you won't demand better from Apple. It's nice to know the competition because this isn't 2007 anymore where Apple was the only decent game in town.

Just saying.
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It's funny that the fanboys instead of demanding a better experience from appleor at least recognizing how the competition is good thing just start bashing. Now android is not my cup of tea, but with this type of improvement one would think it would make apple step it's game up a bit. I mean without competition from Mac, windows 7 wouldn't be quite as nice and instead of getting an iPhone 4 type of upgrade this year we might have gotten another 3GS type upgrade. Competition is good, and I welcome it.
 
nineohtoo said:
As a happy iPhone 4 owner/Apple fanboy I think some of you guys don't give the N1 w/froyo enough credit. Even in Anandtech's own tests, the Nexus One is a tad faster than the iPhone 4 in most cases, and even the iPad at times. However I'd gladly trade a marginal increase in performance for a dramatic increase in battery life(also in Anandtech's testing). I do hope that Apple can optimize the web experience on the iPhone. Not that i'm dissatisfied, but just to ease the grass is greener on the other side feeling. And I'll be honest, while I hate flash, I wouldn't mind having the option to be able to turn it on and off. Just can't do that with my iPhone.

I don't see why people need to get so defensive over this. Both phones are awesome and offer different advantages/user experiences that ultimately make us, the consumers, the real winners.
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Then you might be interested in Samsung Galaxy S. It has both better performance and better battery life than iPhone ;)
 
nineohtoo said:
As a happy iPhone 4 owner/Apple fanboy I think some of you guys don't give the N1 w/froyo enough credit. Even in Anandtech's own tests, the Nexus One is a tad faster than the iPhone 4 in most cases, and even the iPad at times. However I'd gladly trade a marginal increase in performance for a dramatic increase in battery life(also in Anandtech's testing). I do hope that Apple can optimize the web experience on the iPhone. Not that i'm dissatisfied, but just to ease the grass is greener on the other side feeling. And I'll be honest, while I hate flash, I wouldn't mind having the option to be able to turn it on and off. Just can't do that with my iPhone.

I don't see why people need to get so defensive over this. Both phones are awesome and offer different advantages/user experiences that ultimately make us, the consumers, the real winners.
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Indeed, competition is good for everybody.

BTW, I like the Nexus One and Android in general. I just don't think that it's ready for regular consumers yet. (as opposed to geeks) In 12-18 months time though, we'll see a numbers...

...wait, I'd better not. This is Mac Rumors.:D
 
DeathChill said:
Links where a comparison shows this? I am far too lazy to Google.
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Just check the specs iPhone 4 vs Galaxy S:

Galaxy S

BATTERY Standard battery, Li-Po 1500 mAh
Stand-by Up to 750 h (2G) / Up to 576 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 13 h 30 min (2G) / Up to 6 h 30 min (3G)

iPhone 4

Talk time:
Up to 7 hours on 3G
Up to 14 hours on 2G
Standby time: Up to 300 hours

As one can see battery time is comparable and this is without using the screen which is much more power-efficient on Galaxy S (Super AMOLED)
 
lilo777 said:
Just check the specs iPhone 4 vs Galaxy S:

Galaxy S

BATTERY Standard battery, Li-Po 1500 mAh
Stand-by Up to 750 h (2G) / Up to 576 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 13 h 30 min (2G) / Up to 6 h 30 min (3G)

iPhone 4

Talk time:
Up to 7 hours on 3G
Up to 14 hours on 2G
Standby time: Up to 300 hours

As one can see battery time is comparable and this is without using the screen which is much more power-efficient on Galaxy S (Super AMOLED)
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I don't understand, you just said the Galaxy S has better battery life and then you quote numbers showing that is comes in slightly under the iPhone, except standby time.
 
I haven't seen any conclusive tests regarding battery life.

in blog.gmsarena.com, these were the results...

General score:
iPhone 4 = 68hrs
Wave = 3 1/2 days? (84hrs)
Galaxy S = 84hrs

Video playback score:
iPhone4 = 9h40m
Wave = 8h40
Galaxy S = 7h25m

... inconsistent.

But the Samsung Galaxy S has to have a more power-efficient screen compared to the iPhone, though I'm not sure how much. In any case, any of those phones will last at least 24 hours so I don't really care beyond that point.
 
This is good!
I like competition because it drives Apple to give us more as well. (And cleaner imo)

I think it was pretty much a decent comparison, a tie for the most part (a second waiting wouldn't kill me waiting for a page to load smh).

I'm an Apple fan so of course that's where my vote is. :rolleyes:
 
iTravis said:
This is good!
I like competition because it drives Apple to give us more as well. (And cleaner imo)

I think it was pretty much a decent comparison, a tie for the most part (a second waiting wouldn't kill me waiting for a page to load smh).

I'm an Apple fan so of course that's where my vote is. :rolleyes:
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Just keep in mind that Nexus One is not the fastest Android phone around :)
 
I for one would like an Android phone as well simply because it offers a very different experience and with development going as is their competitive ability gets more and more serious. Which means better software for everybody, and everybody wins.

The iPhone is no-hassle. It truly works right out of the box and has a straightforward, excellent UI. It is also coupled with solid construction (I got a well built phone without issues, knock on wood). I also like their multi-tasking implementation a lot. It's not full multi-tasking, and it takes more work to have an app support multitask, but the long term benefits speak for itself. Besides pretty much everything that I would want multitasked is in their API. Flash...well, I personally haven't found a need for it, but I can see why Apple outright refused it as opposed to giving us a choice. To push HTML5 forward, you gotta make a hard cutoff point; otherwise no movement will ever happen.

An Android offers countless possibilities to make your phone a truly personal one. Takes more effort and most likely more micro-management, but any competent user won't be riddling their phone with widgets and video wallpapers galore and subsequently complaining about their battery life. I'm just waiting for a phone that was built with obvious passion and attention to the most minute detail that I can also purchase unlocked (for use in my other home across the World :) ). I don't hear any rumors of a Nexus 2, but the Galaxy S is in my radar. But I'm patient; the i4 is serving my US needs perfectly.
 
reservedegotist said:
I for one would like an Android phone as well simply because it offers a very different experience and with development going as is their competitive ability gets more and more serious. Which means better software for everybody, and everybody wins.

The iPhone is no-hassle. It truly works right out of the box and has a straightforward, excellent UI. It is also coupled with solid construction (I got a well built phone without issues, knock on wood). I also like their multi-tasking implementation a lot. It's not full multi-tasking, and it takes more work to have an app support multitask, but the long term benefits speak for itself. Besides pretty much everything that I would want multitasked is in their API. Flash...well, I personally haven't found a need for it, but I can see why Apple outright refused it as opposed to giving us a choice. To push HTML5 forward, you gotta make a hard cutoff point; otherwise no movement will ever happen.

An Android offers countless possibilities to make your phone a truly personal one. Takes more effort and most likely more micro-management, but any competent user won't be riddling their phone with widgets and video wallpapers galore and subsequently complaining about their battery life. I'm just waiting for a phone that was built with obvious passion and attention to the most minute detail that I can also purchase unlocked (for use in my other home across the World :) ). I don't hear any rumors of a Nexus 2, but the Galaxy S is in my radar. But I'm patient; the i4 is serving my US needs perfectly.
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You my friend just described a great device. Hopefully soon we'll get some more customization from Apple, like in the Andriod community.

The Android fans sometimes are too boastful for little or no reason at all. If they would just stop worry about all the specs they woulds actually LOVE their device.

When people realize Apple don't/won't follow the crowd, the better they'll be able to live life. Apple never have and they never will.
 
Surprised no one knowledgable has debunked this. Checkout the comments on Engadget. They are correct. Likewise look at the Ars technica review which is more interesting, http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/android-22-demolishes-ios4-in-javascript-benchmarks.ars

The Engadget test is not a test of javascript performance at all. It is purely a test of how fast each phone can load a web page. BTW, the Nexus One with flash enabled is loading more data so its impressive it comes out a tie or barely behind.

The world is moving towards having web pages be very powerful, rich clients, similar to running a full application, but loaded via the browser. When Steve Jobs talks about HTML5, he also means Javascript to provide the interactivity.

Loading a webpage is similar to just launching an application. It doesn't tell you anything about how fast that application runs. Its just a matter of how fast the data can get loaded over the network.

Javascript performance matters when you run the application. Faster Javascript performance allows for more complex applications to run on the phone. Apps that are closer in speed and ability to native apps. Imagine Google docs, or Microsoft Office running from the website, complete with ability to do rich text editing etc.

Webkit has been on the forefront focusing on making javascript performance as fast as possible. Google has managed to leapfrog again with the Android implementation providing 2-3+ times the performance of the iPhone 4's javascript implementation.

That is a huge difference.

Caveat: The Nexus One is the only Android phone currently running Froyo (Android 2.2). It will be months before other phones are running it. Apple has plenty of time to update the browser in iOS4 to give it the faster javascript implementation. I don't know if the optimizations have made it back to webkit or are in some Google unique branch.
 
dmelgar said:
Surprised no one knowledgable has debunked this. Checkout the comments on Engadget. They are correct. Likewise look at the Ars technica review which is more interesting, http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/android-22-demolishes-ios4-in-javascript-benchmarks.ars

The Engadget test is not a test of javascript performance at all. It is purely a test of how fast each phone can load a web page. BTW, the Nexus One with flash enabled is loading more data so its impressive it comes out a tie or barely behind.

The world is moving towards having web pages be very powerful, rich clients, similar to running a full application, but loaded via the browser. When Steve Jobs talks about HTML5, he also means Javascript to provide the interactivity.

Loading a webpage is similar to just launching an application. It doesn't tell you anything about how fast that application runs. Its just a matter of how fast the data can get loaded over the network.

Javascript performance matters when you run the application. Faster Javascript performance allows for more complex applications to run on the phone. Apps that are closer in speed and ability to native apps. Imagine Google docs, or Microsoft Office running from the website, complete with ability to do rich text editing etc.

Webkit has been on the forefront focusing on making javascript performance as fast as possible. Google has managed to leapfrog again with the Android implementation providing 2-3+ times the performance of the iPhone 4's javascript implementation.

That is a huge difference.

Caveat: The Nexus One is the only Android phone currently running Froyo (Android 2.2). It will be months before other phones are running it. Apple has plenty of time to update the browser in iOS4 to give it the faster javascript implementation. I don't know if the optimizations have made it back to webkit or are in some Google unique branch.
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COMPLETELY AGREE. Anyway, on an absolute scale Safari does fine, it's just that Froyo's much faster, so now Apple's gotta play catch up. I am an avid Google Voice user (and now I will use the Youtube webapp as well); both run through HTML5 and make extensive use of AJAX. The amount of client-side interactions involved also calls for faster javascript. Same with the Facebook website, etc.
 
Google is losing its Mojo. Google lost $58 Billion in stock value in 6 months.

Google's down nearly 30% in 2010, worse than the drops experienced by top rivals Microsoft and Yahoo.


CAUSES:


1) Google's troubles in China have some concerned that Google will never be able to extend its market share lead in the U.S. to the world's largest market.

2) It's also looking more and more like Google, despite all its efforts to diversify, may be a one-trick pony after all. Some investors are also worried that Google has not been able to replicate its market dominance in other areas -- most notably, in the world of mobile devices and social networking.


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http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/07/markets/thebuzz/index.htm


Unfortunately for Google, beating the stuffing out of Yahoo and Microsoft in search is now considered a fait accompli. But Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500), with its iPhone and iPad, has become more of a competitor to Google as of late. And Google's growth, while impressive, is pedestrian when compared to Apple.
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