IE 7 is a UI disaster, I actually also strugled to find the reload button!Voidness said:That's just IE7...
IE7 doesn't look that bad. Ever browser has unique features. I'm sure that Microsoft has a usability survey that they've manipulated to show that people want it that way.Voidness said:I'm actually running Windows Vista at the moment on my Macbook Pro. Personally, I think Vista is focusing way too much on eye candy, especially the "glass effect", and at the same time almost completely ignoring 101 UI Usually. If you're like me, and you've used Internet Explorer 7, you'll know what I'm talking about. Just look at this:
Ok, we have the common back and forward buttons on the left of address bar. But, where are the stop and reload buttons? They're actually part of the address bar on the right! and they don't even look like buttons! We go down to the combo tab/tools/menu bar, which is a complete mess: 2 Buttons on the left, tabs in the middle, and some randomly ordered buttons and dropdown menus on the right.
That's just IE7...
I don't see much of unique features in IE7. The point is, I don't understand why Microsoft is doing this to IE7: Why are the stop and refresh "buttons" separated from back/forward buttons? Why is it when you enable the menu bar, it appears BELOW the navigation buttons (see screenshot in this post)? Why is are tabs on the same toolbar as function buttons and dropdowns? Why are some of the function buttons on the left of the tabs, while others are one the right?bousozoku said:IE7 doesn't look that bad. Ever browser has unique features. I'm sure that Microsoft has a usability survey that they've manipulated to show that people want it that way.
The glass look goes way too far. I've seen many people complaining that it's just difficult to distinguish text from the background. I'd say that it's improved as time has progressed but it doesn't look like it from your screenshot.
I think it's a matter of putting the most used buttons to the left and putting less used items to the right. Note that RSS is on the right of the URL field in Firefox, but somewhat haphazardly placed there.Voidness said:I don't see much of unique features in IE7. The point is, I don't understand why Microsoft is doing this to IE7: Why are the stop and refresh "buttons" separated from back/forward buttons? Why is it when you enable the menu bar, it appears BELOW the navigation buttons (see screenshot in this post)? Why is are tabs on the same toolbar as function buttons and dropdowns? Why are some of the function buttons on the left of the tabs, while others are one the right?
As for the "glass effect", it does get confusing sometimes. But you can adjust the transparency and colour, or even make the windows opaque. But even if transparency is disabled, you still get to see some sort of reflection effect when moving the windows around, pretty cool. Here are some examples:
well as for brushed, either apple isn't showing us the final version of safari in thier demos, or it is still here. it is getting old, but there is always uno for now, and hopefully for leopard if we need it.jellybean said:Anyone else think the UI could do with a major update in Leopard? Nothing too radical, just enough to bring it a bit up to date.
I've been playing with the latest build of Vista and I must admit OS X's interface feels very dated in comparison
I think most people agree brushed metal will most likely be gone in Leopard but replaced with what? Smooth metal? Still nothing amazing. And those red yellow and green buttons in the corner of windows feel so "fisher price"
I know, i know... it's how Leopard works at the end of the day what is so important, but there are a surprising number of people in the eye candy crowd who would be won over by just what looks and feels cooler. And I really don't want Vista to steal OS X's thunder
you're gonna run unsanity out of buisness.slooksterPSV said:Finder - gotta fix finder to have that smooth color like iTunes, but with more customization for example, color gradients.
Themes - more color themes instead of just blue and gray. Do something like green, red, black, also allow us to change the top filemenu to a specific color, or a certain glass effect.
Hmm... window transparency? Maybe there could be an added function to where you could set the window to a transparent opacity.
Dock, let us customize the dock more. Let us put separators between icons if we'd like. How about adding more docks? How about floating docks?
That's about it I think...
Nope, doesn't work. Apparently, Microsoft is trying to abandon the idea menu bars altogether. I've used the latest Office 2007 Beta, and the interface is entirely a combination of tabs and buttons. There's only one menu, which is the "File" menu.bousozoku said:Have you tried grabbing the menu bar in IE 7 and moving it upward? I'm surprised that wouldn't work considering that you can have something like 15 toolbars in Office to move and confuse.
I suppose they've been criticised once too often for going in the wrong direction. It's good to see that they're not doing that here.Voidness said:Nope, doesn't work. Apparently, Microsoft is trying to abandon the idea menu bars altogether. I've used the latest Office 2007 Beta, and the interface is entirely a combination of tabs and buttons. There's only one menu, which is the "File" menu.
bousozoku said:I suppose they've been criticised once too often for going in the wrong direction. It's good to see that they're not doing that here.
Maybe, they could work on something that doesn't break the operating system.virus1 said:you're gonna run unsanity out of buisness.
Never assume. MS Office has long been derided for toolbar usage. In fact, there was an early 1990s issue of BYTE magazine where they did a graphical mockup of a future version of Word. A few years later, they resurrected that graphic and put it side by side a real screen shot of MS Word covered in toolbars with enough space for one line of document. It must have been embarrassing.Lollypop said:Im asuming that was sarcasm! LOL
I really hope apple doesnt go the office 2007 route, there is nothing wrong with a decent toolbar!
decksnap said:I know I'm not the only one who thinks Vista looks like absolute garbage. I woudn't wish OS X to look anything like it.
And XP? Did someone mention Fisher Price?
Brushed metal has seen its last days. I'll agree with that.
Because you end up like Windows and Office where 99% of the functionality gets ignored because it is too complex.MacVault said:WRONG! As an example, going back to the other poster's wish of being able to right clicking on a picture on a website to make it the desktop background, why shouldn't I be able to do that instead of having to "save" the picture to the drive and then go right click on the file to set it as the desktop background?
In Windows even if I don't know of a contextual window I can usually try right clicking on wherever I feel there should be one and usually low and behold there are all the features I'm looking for. I've always been a Mac lover, but after being a Network Admin in a Windows environment I've come to love the options Windows gives by right clicking on stuff, or whatever - the above issue being a pretty good example.
If YOU don't want the right-click features, just don't "right click", but for the rest of us it will be there! I'm not saying right clicking is the answer to everything, but that's an example of something I think Windows really has got right. I will also agree that Windows has it's problems too.
I cant give the offical line but i always force quit the app if i accidentally opened it and have never had any problems.MrSmith said:Is there anything wrong AT ALL in force quiting while progs are opening? What's the 'official' line? My persistent pre-X mentality always tells me it's wrong.
Yes, having to screen grab it is kind of annoying. I did read that you can drag a folder onto a printer icon and it will print a directory. I vaguely remember trying it once with mixed results. Your results may vary.Blue Velvet said:Fer chrissakes, bring back the ability to print the contents of windows.