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Why not? Many government officials go into lobbying and many lobbyists go into government. Corruption galore. Yay.
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UK Judge Who Chastised Apple Over Samsung 'Apology' Now Consulting as Patent Expert for Samsung
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Why not? Many government officials go into lobbying and many lobbyists go into government. Corruption galore. Yay.
Nope. October 2011. He disclosed that he was commissioned by Microsoft to do a study.
http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/10/study-on-worldwide-use-of-frand.html
Or he is paid as a consultant for his expertise. And what he posts in his blog has nothing to do with any paid consultancy. He could just be an overly opinionated gasbag taking extreme positions to generate page views. Or he could be genuinely passionate about this topic with opinions that he'd like to present to a large audience based on years of specializing in that area. Or any combination thereof.
Ahh. The goalposts continue to move.
This is the last disclosure, he has been paid before
What goalpost? I always say that about Florian Mueller, he has to disclose that he is paid by the one he is writing for.
If you're long on Apple and you write about Apple stock you have to disclose your position. If you're paid by Google and you're writing in any case involving Google you have to disclose who pays you.
Not by Microsoft or Oracle, which is what we were discussing.
And he did disclose that he was paid as a consultant by both Microsoft and Oracle on his blog. Now you've shifted the goalposts to claim that he has to disclose on every post about Oracle. That would be nice. However, it hardly shows a lack of integrity.
I'm glad about this, really am, he also let Apple off FAR FAR FAR FAR too lightly seeing as he could have slapped a huge fine on them for their disgusting pathetic behaviour!
And we could all raise questions over the flawed fixed trial in America where Apple won it's billion dollar award... what did the head juror say? He will defend Apples patents like they were his own?
And does it really matter anyway? I mean I seem to live in a world where a business sector can utterly fail yet the executives and directors pay themselves MILLIONS in bonuses when their business LOOSES BILLIONS!
Talking about RBS of course, it's an utterly ********d world these day's. It really is...
And we could all raise questions over the flawed fixed trial in America where Apple won it's billion dollar award... what did the head juror say? He will defend Apples patents like they were his own?
And does it really matter anyway? I mean I seem to live in a world where a business sector can utterly fail yet the executives and directors pay themselves MILLIONS in bonuses when their business LOOSES BILLIONS!
Talking about RBS of course, it's an utterly ********d world these day's. It really is...
The way these deals work is ... You decide in our favor and we'll give you a juicy consulting deal on a future case.
Total....
Legal Prostitute?
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"He who has the gold, makes the rules". Either acquire wealth, or let it go.
Just another angry Ant.
Legal Prostitute?
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"He who has the gold, makes the rules". Either acquire wealth, or let it go.
Just another angry Ant.
too bad he wasn't the judge who ruled against Apple, and two other judges besides him shot down Apple's appeal.
AFAIK, he's not a former judge. He's a CURRENT judge.
There should be a rule that sitting judges cannot consult. If it's unethical for former workers to lobby their old employers, it's unethical for a judge to consult for a former successful plaintiff / defendant from their docket.
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This is irrelevant to the question of ethics.
I never said it was or wasn't. I responded to the post stating "The way these deals work is ... You decide in our favor and we'll give you a juicy consulting deal on a future case."
I believe the OP believes that the judge in question was the only judge and was able to decide the case by himself. This isn't the case.
It's all rather tin foil hat to me. Occam's razor and all - the easiest answer is that the retired judge, who is an expert in IP, was hired by the lawfirm (and you can say Samsung) based on his expertise.
Start throwing in all these questions about whether or not he was paid off by Samsung or offered another gig if the verdict went their way? That's complicating the answer.
A lot of ignorance regarding both US and UK judicial systems on this thread. And I mean ignorance NOT stupidity, in case there are those among us who sadly confuse the two words.
Before you can become a Judge in either country you must first have practiced as a lawyer (generic term but you get my drift). As a lawyer you specialise and as a specialist you are employed to work either directly in a court of law presenting a case or as a consultant so that your clients can make use of your specialist knowledge.
Once you become a judge you are still free to act as a consultant. You cannot in either country act as a consultant for a third party and subsequently act as an adjudicator in any future dispute involving that third party.
No judicial system is perfect but the British judiciary are in general considered to be just as capable of impartiality as that of any other country. If it wasn't impartial and it's implementation was fundamentally flawed as many on this thread seem to believe, then it wouldn't have had so many other countries including the US model their systems, at least in part, on it.
Before you can become a Judge in either country you must first have practiced as a lawyer (generic term but you get my drift). As a lawyer you specialise and as a specialist you are employed to work either directly in a court of law presenting a case or as a consultant so that your clients can make use of your specialist knowledge.
Once you become a judge you are still free to act as a consultant. You cannot in either country act as a consultant for a third party and subsequently act as an adjudicator in any future dispute involving that third party.
No judicial system is perfect but the British judiciary are in general considered to be just as capable of impartiality as that of any other country. If it wasn't impartial and it's implementation was fundamentally flawed as many on this thread seem to believe, then it wouldn't have had so many other countries including the US model their systems, at least in part, on it.
A good post.
Unfortunately, many of the Apple fans believe that anyone who's not drinking the Kool-Aid must be a paid shill.
The rest of us clearly saw that the original Apple "apology" in the UK case was "contempt of court", and Apple deserved to be publicly smacked over it. And it's quite irrelevant if the judge who did the smacking later is involved in unrelated matters as a consultant to Samsung.
The haters backing Prop 8 in California tried to get the 9th Circuit decision overruled because Judge Walker was gay. Failed miserably, because judges have often had some superficial association with one of the parties. (If the case is about women's rights - do you disqualify all the female judges because they're prejudiced? ...and disqualify all the male judges because they're prejudiced? Who gets the case - only judges who are neither male nor female?)
The "tinfoil hat" crowd here is believing that since the judge later worked with Samsung that his earlier decisions were tainted.
Many of the comments in this thread are simply embarrassing for the posters....
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Actually the unpaid shills would vastly outnumber the paid ones.
You do realise this is an Apple forum?
I don't see ".apple.com" in the URL.
And I think that "unpaid shill" borders on the oxymoronic....
Even non-Apple fanboys would think that this is outrageous.
Not at all. At time X, as a judge he smacked Apple for childish actions which were in contempt of a ruling of the court.
At time X+something, as a private citizen he worked on an IP issue - his area of expertise.
Put the tinfoil hat aside, it's messing up your hairdo.
Slave labor? Amusing, but wildly inaccurate
If you had actually been to the factories you might just have a different mind set on the matter.
But hey! Why let the facts get in the way of a good rumor!
My God, he have being paid by Microsoft before.
I don't have shifted anything, if you don't want to reAd my previous posts about him on this forum and what have write to him when he posts about Oracle or Microsoft .
And as I have said, arguing with such a person like you is tiring.
Have a nice day and believe what you want.
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He is RETIRED judge
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Do you have a link to those "ethical rules" for UK retired judges?
What does Oracle or Microsoft have to do with anything at all? Are Oracle and Microsoft divisions of Apple or something, and I didn't get the memo?
The line gets fuzzy, but there are standards for when it's appropriate to recuse oneself (or be disqualified). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_disqualification
Not sure what crowd you're referring to, but the crux of the matter in the OP is clearly stated:
It's the impression it gives to others, not some effect it would retroactively have on his prior decision.
