UK Wants All iPhones to Block Explicit Images Unless You Prove Age

[whatnot]

And why should nudity harm children? If a German school class goes swimming, it is very likely that they see their own teacher nude.

some 'interesting' projection.

 

[seek3r]

My wife is a HS science teacher, she teaches, among other things, A&P. My first thought with this tech, all the other problematic issues aside (and there are a lot) is that it would block a lot of legitimate educational tools, and medical resources, for minors.

 

[tomtad]

Use parental controls to manage your child's iPhone or iPad - Apple Support

With Screen Time, there are a number of settings and parental controls that you can use to help keep your child's device usage safe, private, and age appropriate.

support.apple.com

Its not about the children. Solutions already exist. The government wants to scan every device for children? They don’t even care if children are homeless and you tell me they care if a child sees something inappropriate on a phone? No its about mass surveillance but they marketed it with something emotional to get the majority behind.

No it's about children.

 

[super chimp]

It’s not just the UK look at these proposals from Denmark as regards VPNs.

The Danish government has ignited a firestorm of criticism after proposing a new bill that would make it illegal to use a VPN to access geoblocked streaming content or bypass restrictions on illegal websites.
The proposal, which is part of a larger legislative effort to combat online piracy, has alarmed digital rights advocates who fear it could have far-reaching consequences for internet freedom in the country.

While many people use the best VPNservices to enhance their online privacy and security, they are also commonly used to access streaming libraries from other countries, for example, watching American Netflix from Denmark. According to a recent survey by the Danish Chamber of Commerce, 9% of Danes have used a VPN for this purpose.
The bill, put forward by Denmark’s Ministry of Culture, states that it would be prohibited to "use VPN connections to access media content that would otherwise not be available in Denmark, or to bypass blocking of illegal websites." If passed, the law would take effect on July 1, 2026, with offenders facing a fine.
The proposal was immediately condemned by privacy advocates. Jesper Lund, chairman of the IT Political Association, expressed deep concern over the bill’s ambiguous language, stating it has a "totalitarian feel to it."

Lund argued that the current wording could be interpreted so broadly that it would not only criminalize streaming but also hinder the sale and legitimate use of VPN services across Denmark.

"Even in Russia, it is not punishable to bypass illegal websites with a VPN," Lundtold Danish broadcaster DR, pointing out that the proposed Danish law could go further than measures seen in more authoritarian states.

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/denmark-wants-to-ban-vpns-to-unlock-foreign-illegal-streams-and-experts-are-worried

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Ok go and read this and tell me that there’s not an issue:

Strangulation During Sex in the UK - Institute for Addressing Strangulation

The Institute for Addressing Strangulation was established in 2022 following the introduction of new legislation on strangulation and suffocation as a stand-alone offence.

ifas.org.uk

Or this from 2019 - I can’t believe that the situation is not worse now:

'A man tried to choke me during sex without warning'

Research for BBC Radio 5 Live suggests a third of women have experienced unwanted violence during consensual sex.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’m no prude, but people are growing up with a really warped view of sex.

One of the side effects from having all this ‘freedom’.

Did you miss that 2/3 of them experience desired violence by or more than 66%? Because my god the Uk is considering face sitting and even female ejaculation as violent or extreme sexual acts!!

 

[Sophisticatednut]

That is the issue. The main issues we've seen with ID verification systems over the years (I have worked on them) is that they have to actually store stuff to work. And "unstoring" things (cleaning up) is a lot more complicated than it sounds. Not only that, the vendor can be compelled by a hostile government to change the implementation which is not something you have control over. Also the vendor's equipment may be compromised by an external actor as well.

The only answer to this isn't a pile of cryptography, it is don't do it.

Verify, don't trust. You can't verify the ID verification service. Therefore you shouldn't trust it.

Except you can if you very who you are at the bank with physical id. And after that stores a ZKP on your phone to connect with servers that talks with the banks etc

 

[whatnot]

Did you miss that 2/3 of them experience desired violence by or more than 66%? Because my god the Uk is considering face sitting and even female ejaculation as violent or extreme sexual acts!!

how does it follow from 'a third of women experience unwanted violence' that two thirds are happy with it?

 

[Sophisticatednut]

how does it follow from 'a third of women experience unwanted violence' that two thirds are happy with it?

Directly from the study considering that’s was the question
The research, conducted by BBC Radio 5 Live and ComRes asked 2,002 women from across the UK, between the ages of 18 and 39,** if they had ever experienced the acts during sex and if they had wanted their male partner to do so.**
More than a third ** (38 per cent) ** had experienced these acts and said they were unwanted at least ** some of the time. ** While just under two-thirds of women had either experienced it and ** said it was never unwanted (31 per cent)** or they had no experience, didn’t know or preferred not to say (31 per cent)


Plus other studies

• Rough Sex in General: In a 2018 poll of approximately 400,000 members on the dating site OkCupid, 62% of women reported enjoying "rough sex".
• Spanking Specifically: A study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior (2017) surveyed 1,580 women and found that 95% of participants enjoyed being spanked. It was ranked third out of 126 surveyed sexual behaviors.

 

[cjsuk]

Except you can if you very who you are at the bank with physical id. And after that stores a ZKP on your phone to connect with servers that talks with the banks etc

Two points...

Firstly, see my earlier point about implementation. I spend a large chunk of my time working on systems which had a mathematical proof but implementation flaws albeit a slightly different area. Some implementation bugs fun in here: https://github.com/zksecurity/zkbugs

Secondly, there's that time I was in Malta. Heavy night necking way too many shots of Cynar. After leaving the contents of the bar up the wall, I collapsed in a heap on the pavement outside. Fortunately a good friend with me managed to unlock my phone with my FaceID, look in AirBnB to see where I was staying and order a Bolt taxi on it. Thought exercise: should any identity process be trusted after that point from that device?

 

[Fatboy71]

More government overreach. It's all about control, and nothing else. More control for this, more control for that, and then before you know it, you will be tied to a digital ID state.

Give the UK government and inch, and they will try to take a mile. Fascist b*****ds

 

[tomtad]

Did you miss that 2/3 of them experience desired violence by or more than 66%? Because my god the Uk is considering face sitting and even female ejaculation as violent or extreme sexual acts!!

Things I didn't expect to read on MacRumours

 

[whatnot]

Directly from the study considering that’s was the question
The research, conducted by BBC Radio 5 Live and ComRes asked 2,002 women from across the UK, between the ages of 18 and 39,** if they had ever experienced the acts during sex and if they had wanted their male partner to do so.**
More than a third ** (38 per cent) ** had experienced these acts and said they were unwanted at least ** some of the time. ** While just under two-thirds of women had either experienced it and ** said it was never unwanted (31 per cent)** or they had no experience, didn’t know or preferred not to say (31 per cent)


Plus other studies

• Rough Sex in General: In a 2018 poll of approximately 400,000 members on the dating site OkCupid, 62% of women reported enjoying "rough sex".
• Spanking Specifically: A study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior (2017) surveyed 1,580 women and found that 95% of participants enjoyed being spanked. It was ranked third out of 126 surveyed sexual behaviors.

right, I didn't know 'rough' equals 'violent', or that 1/3 no/don't know/prefer not to say equals 1/3 desired violence, but thanks for sharing I guess.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Two points...

Firstly, see my earlier point about implementation. I spend a large chunk of my time working on systems which had a mathematical proof but implementation flaws albeit a slightly different area. Some implementation bugs fun in here: https://github.com/zksecurity/zkbugs

Secondly, there's that time I was in Malta. Heavy night necking way too many shots of Cynar. After leaving the contents of the bar up the wall, I collapsed in a heap on the pavement outside. Fortunately a good friend with me managed to unlock my phone with my FaceID, look in AirBnB to see where I was staying and order a Bolt taxi on it. Thought exercise: should any identity process be trusted after that point from that device?

I live in Sweden and we have digital id, I’m not against it. I’m just against how the Uk implemented it as well as allowing face pictures or other ways of identification by uploading a picture to a company responsible for national identification.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

right, I didn't know 'rough' equals 'violent', or that 1/3 no/don't know/prefer not to say equals 1/3 desired violence, but thanks for sharing I guess.

It’s their issue for using such terrible methodologies.
Asking if they had ever experienced the acts during sex and if they had wanted their male partner to do so.

unwanted choking, slapping, spitting or gagging, during consensual sex,​

 

[cjsuk]

I live in Sweden and we have digital id, I’m not against it. I’m just against how the Uk implemented it as well as allowing face pictures or other ways of identification by uploading a picture to a company responsible for national identification.

Yes I am aware of that system. BankID is a large database which ties your financial habits, identity and authentication together and privatises it at the same time.

What could possibly go wrong there?

We live in relatively friendly times. What happens, when to paraphrase Pink Floyd, when the right one walks out of the door?

 

[Pezimak]

Sadly the government held a debate today over online protection, and they same across a bit as though they want to copy Australia in banning social media, well as in banning it for children, and for adults to use it? You got it you must provide proof if you age with biometrics or driving licences or other photographic ID. That could extend to sites like this even. But that seems to just be an 'idea' for now....

 

[Pezimak]

It’s not just the UK look at these proposals from Denmark as regards VPNs.

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/denmark-wants-to-ban-vpns-to-unlock-foreign-illegal-streams-and-experts-are-worried

It is all across the West, put it this way, who goes to Davos every winter....? That is who wants to instigate all this 'control'.

 

[Ctrlos]

My wife is a HS science teacher, she teaches, among other things, A&P. My first thought with this tech, all the other problematic issues aside (and there are a lot) is that it would block a lot of legitimate educational tools, and medical resources, for minors.

It does not to my knowledge block out books.

 

[bluecoast]

Did you miss that 2/3 of them experience desired violence by or more than 66%? Because my god the Uk is considering face sitting and even female ejaculation as violent or extreme sexual acts!!

No I didn’t. The point is that the kind of stuff that people are being exposed to, is normalising things that would previously have been very unusual and extreme.

I very much doubt that women and girls of previous generations grew up thinking that it’s normal to want such things & more importantly, that their partners expect it of them.

So this is a huge down side of a mostly uncensored free market internet - fuelled by smartphone usage.

I’d also add that spending too much time in our phones is messing with our minds. I know my attention & focus has fallen off a cliff, the better my iPhone became over the last 10 years.

It’s particularly concerning when you look at the effects on young people in particular (see the work of Jonathan Haidt).

And let’s not even mention social, which has had a baleful effect.

Smartphones, apps and the web of course have a huge upside.

But equally they’ve had a huge downside that we as a global society have barely began to address.

And that sadly, with all that lobbying in Washington, the tech industry seems to be unwilling to face up to any of this.

It seems to be getting similar to the tobacco lobby in that regard.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

No I didn’t. The point is that the kind of stuff that people are being exposed to, is normalising things that would previously have been very unusual and extreme.

I very much doubt that women and girls of previous generations grew up thinking that it’s normal to want such things & more importantly, that their partners expect it of them.

So this is a huge down side of a mostly uncensored free market internet - fuelled by smartphone usage.

Oh god who cares what people do in the privacy of their own home? it is not the government’s place to police what kinds of consenting sex can be watched by adults. And People want those things because they find them pleasurable and erotic etc. Homosexual relationships are also unusual. Unusual or extreme is not a measurement of bad.

Skydiving is extreme. Mountain biking is extreme,

I’d also add that spending too much time in our phones is messing with our minds. I know my attention & focus has fallen off a cliff, the better my iPhone became over the last 10 years.

Get a dumb phone. Activate parenting apps on yourself. Uninstall social media apps.

It’s particularly concerning when you look at the effects on young people in particular (see the work of Jonathan Haidt).

And let’s not even mention social, which has had a baleful effect.

Smartphones, apps and the web of course have a huge upside.

But equally they’ve had a huge downside that we as a global society have barely began to address.

And that sadly, with all that lobbying in Washington, the tech industry seems to be unwilling to face up to any of this.

It seems to be getting similar to the tobacco lobby in that regard.

None of that would in any shape or form be addressed by my phone censoring my own photos I swear if the Uk could you would ad a id check on Polaroid cameras just in case they take harmful pictures because a tree looks funny

 

[seek3r]

It does not to my knowledge block out books.

How old are you? Classroom resources arent just or even primarily books, for that matter medical resources arent either.

 

[bluecoast]

Oh god who cares what people do in the privacy of their own home? it is not the government’s place to police what kinds of consenting sex can be watched by adults. And People want those things because they find them pleasurable and erotic etc. Homosexual relationships are also unusual. Unusual or extreme is not a measurement of bad.

Skydiving is extreme. Mountain biking is extreme,

Get a dumb phone. Activate parenting apps on yourself. Uninstall social media apps.

None of that would in any shape or form be addressed by my phone censoring my own photos I swear if the Uk could you would ad a id check on Polaroid cameras just in case they take harmful pictures because a tree looks funny

With all due respect, I think that you're missing the context of this, which is the effects on young people that I've mentioned above and I'm not going to repeat again.

Anyhow, that's it for me for this thread.

I'm aware that there are people who feel passionately about this argument from both sides and I'm not about to spend loads of my free time arguing my corner here (although I would if it was my job to do so